1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I hope whoever these players are that aren't buying into his philosophy are shown the door. Need get rid of player power at the club.

Player power exists in every club. Rudiger downed tools under Lampard, should we have got rid of him? I'd take him over any CB we signed this year. Hazard clearly downed tools under Mourinho, should we have let him go? 

 

Even Lampard pretty much admitted to downing tools under AVB, and he's one of the most professional players we've had. At the end of the day, top players buy into success.  

 

For the record I think we have a lot of players that need to be sold anyway (Havertz/Ziyech/Pulisic/Azpi/Jorginho/Koulibaly/Auba/Kepa), but player power will always be a thing, especially if the manager is unproven and underachieving.

35 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Player power exists in every club. Rudiger downed tools under Lampard, should we have got rid of him? I'd take him over any CB we signed this year. Hazard clearly downed tools under Mourinho, should we have let him go? 

 

Even Lampard pretty much admitted to downing tools under AVB, and he's one of the most professional players we've had. At the end of the day, top players buy into success.  

 

For the record I think we have a lot of players that need to be sold anyway (Havertz/Ziyech/Pulisic/Azpi/Jorginho/Koulibaly/Auba/Kepa), but player power will always be a thing, especially if the manager is unproven and underachieving.

Exactly. Player power exists. It is one of the reasons why you hire someone who has a strong coaching or playing record so they command respect in the dressing room. It's also why you hire someone who the players can see can help them and the team get better. 

You mentioned AVB and Lampard. Perfect example. AVB was a video analyst trying to be a coach. Should have never been appointed and was never respected by the players. Potter is in the same boat I think

 

At this point, my only hope is that Potter lays the foundations for the next manager - abit like Raneri did for Jose. Built the squad to be passed onto a proven winner. I don’t see achieving too much more than that unfortunately 

No idea where we're going with him to be honest.

We've not got the Ambramovich comfort zone of dumping a manager when things get scary, too much has been invested. 

It's basically all Brightons old staff and 60 odd million down the sh*tter and the boely group will have egg on their face if they have to go back on there brighton gang in 6 months.

Having said that the clubs been run sh*t for a long time, we havent signed a good player in years, not a real leader anyway, Silva aside and obviously the transfer ban but when we did spend we spunked it.

Tuchel carried us for a good 18 months but if they were his signings in the summer then he carry's some blame aswell.

If he it was down to me I'd start looking at getting Potchettino in now because theres every possibility things will get worse. 

f**k worrying about wasting more money on players just concentrate on getting rid of the sh*t we have. Don't worry about there names or reputations, if there not performing just f**k them off and things will get better.

 

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Player power exists in every club. Rudiger downed tools under Lampard, should we have got rid of him? I'd take him over any CB we signed this year. Hazard clearly downed tools under Mourinho, should we have let him go? 

 

Even Lampard pretty much admitted to downing tools under AVB, and he's one of the most professional players we've had. At the end of the day, top players buy into success.  

 

For the record I think we have a lot of players that need to be sold anyway (Havertz/Ziyech/Pulisic/Azpi/Jorginho/Koulibaly/Auba/Kepa), but player power will always be a thing, especially if the manager is unproven and underachieving.

I disagree. This only happens at our club for some reason. I've never heard of players getting a manager fired amongst all our rivals. Even city who are the most comparable to us in terms of culture, never had player power even before Pep came. Also players at our club have got other managers in past who were world class fired so I disagree on the notion that it has to do with a manager's CV.

34 minutes ago, JM7 said:

At this point, my only hope is that Potter lays the foundations for the next manager - abit like Raneri did for Jose. Built the squad to be passed onto a proven winner. I don’t see achieving too much more than that unfortunately 

Potter is setting the path for Zidane. Trust the process.

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

Exactly. Player power exists. It is one of the reasons why you hire someone who has a strong coaching or playing record so they command respect in the dressing room. It's also why you hire someone who the players can see can help them and the team get better. 

You mentioned AVB and Lampard. Perfect example. AVB was a video analyst trying to be a coach. Should have never been appointed and was never respected by the players. Potter is in the same boat I think

 

Agree. It’s a pretty essential part of the job spec. 

5 hours ago, venom2011 said:

Found this interesting. After the 1min mark, Simon talks about meeting Boehly in Qatar and intimates that there were some 'eye-watering' issues around the Tuchel sacking that aren't public. He then goes on to say that he would have sacked him as well. Just perhaps another little reminder about how little we know regarding club issues.

 

I like Simon Jordan. Although I think if I knew him I would think of him as one of those know it all, won't let you get a word in, fellas. I do like the comments he makes. They are generally pretty much on the money, or at least pretty much what we are all thinking.

That said I do often wonder about some of his soundbites.

I would imagine that Simon has spent more time talking about being a football club owner than actually being one. Now he may well be rubbing shoulders with the great and the good on a regular basis but I am still often surprised by the amount of confidential information he picks up in his new role of Talksport DJ. I drove a taxi for one year and I wouldn't dream of telling the London Cab company how to organise their business and the setting of their tariffs, but that's just me.

But let's say that Simon does still move in these circles.  Todd don't.  He's a newbie in this area. The only balls he's been used to are either small, egg shaped or puck like. So I am a little surprised that in Todd's brief period in this area he has not only befriended Simon but he has actually given him all of the behind the scenes details regarding the relationship breakdown with his former manager.

Whilst it makes for engaging talk show entertainment it still doesn't put Todd in a particularly good light in my opinion, if any of it is true. 

After all what sort of owner would disclose the confidential relationship of the management of their company with a guy that he doesn't know that well and that is a radio disk jockey.

Still I've not played the game or owned a club so in Simon's eye I'm probably just a know nothing pleb anyway.

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by WhiteWall

No idea what Simon said, thought was a clickbait and it's true. I'm sure both sides agreed to a NDA, so no need to get into the 'nasty' details of the sacking. If Simon wants to stay on the good side of Boehly, he should just keep quiet about the sacking and praise the long term project.

Player power is and will always be there, sometime it could be positive. Like people said, the likes of JT\Lampard\Drogba won us the CL under RDM ( who deserve credit) with very little management experience, the players stepped up rather than RDM had a master game plan. What RDM did well was he had the trust and the backing of the players.

29 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

No idea what Simon said, thought was a clickbait and it's true. I'm sure both sides agreed to a NDA, so no need to get into the 'nasty' details of the sacking. If Simon wants to stay on the good side of Boehly, he should just keep quiet about the sacking and praise the long term project.

Player power is and will always be there, sometime it could be positive. Like people said, the likes of JT\Lampard\Drogba won us the CL under RDM ( who deserve credit) with very little management experience, the players stepped up rather than RDM had a master game plan. What RDM did well was he had the trust and the backing of the players.

The difference is that those players earned their 'player power' so even though I'm not a fan of it I can see why its excusable. This lot hasn't done anything to earn that so they don't deserve to command that kind of respect. 

Also I find it ironic that people are excusing player power now just because they don't like Potter. You're allowed to dislike Potter or want him out but lets not suddenly act like player power is a good thing just for the sake of an argument against Potter. At this rate, if a player went against the grain and did a Lukaku style interview some of you would be siding with them over the club and blame Potter for the player coming out to do the interview just like certain delusional united fans were defending Ronaldo.

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by Frankie8Lampard

My biggest concern is not the result. It is the lack of direction. I wish one of the reporter will ask Potter what is the goal for this season and have Potter elaborate on his decision. I honestly don't know what we are doing. 

If the goal is try to get top 4 then, surely Potter need to sack himself. 

If our goal is to build foundation, then surely we will have a more consistent playstyle. 

If our goal is to abandon this season, surely we will see a lot of kids, kinda similar to what lamp did in his first season. 

Maybe the plan is to play certain playstyle but we simply can't do it without James. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

If our goal is to abandon this season, surely we will see a lot of kids, kinda similar to what lamp did in his first season. 

Maybe the plan is to play certain playstyle but we simply can't do it without James. 

I think throwing the kids into this situation is actually extremely counter productive.

Hutchinson's confidence has probably gone down the sh*tter after his two cameos against City. 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I think throwing the kids into this situation is actually extremely counter productive.

Hutchinson's confidence has probably gone down the sh*tter after his two cameos against City. 

Yep kids develop best in a functioning outfit. Only a player thrown in alongside Silva would probably gain from the experience at present. 
Hutchinson’s two cameos if anything showed a player who desperately needs a loan to say a division one club. His failure to try to take on his opponent when in one on one situations shows a player more scared of failure which probably sums up the bunch of players around him.

11 minutes ago, charierre said:

Yep kids develop best in a functioning outfit. Only a player thrown in alongside Silva would probably gain from the experience at present. 
Hutchinson’s two cameos if anything showed a player who desperately needs a loan to say a division one club. His failure to try to take on his opponent when in one on one situations shows a player more scared of failure which probably sums up the bunch of players around him.

I'm really hoping we send some of our young players to Plymouth Argyle as they have a perfect set up for youth to thrive.

6 month loan and (if they get promoted which is looking almost certain) extended by a further 12 months would suit all parties almost too well.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I think throwing the kids into this situation is actually extremely counter productive.

Hutchinson's confidence has probably gone down the sh*tter after his two cameos against City. 

I disagree. All kids need is playing time. Even if he struggle and lose confidence that is fine. Either sit him on the bench for a couple of games or continue to trust the kids. 

For me, this is the type of season where you can play more kids. Playing more kids doesn't mean that you play the kids all the time. It just means he will be part of rotation. So he get chance to play real game and if he play well, he keep place and if not he doesn't being sent to dark hole somewhere. 

 

31 minutes ago, charierre said:

Yep kids develop best in a functioning outfit. Only a player thrown in alongside Silva would probably gain from the experience at present. 
Hutchinson’s two cameos if anything showed a player who desperately needs a loan to say a division one club. His failure to try to take on his opponent when in one on one situations shows a player more scared of failure which probably sums up the bunch of players around him.

It is very difficult to incorporate kids to functioning unit. Because if you are functioning, you are not 10th. You are competing for top 4 or title and you have very little room for error. 

22 hours ago, Snedger said:

Just curious, but who exactly is the manager/coach that walks in tomorrow and instantly puts us on a twelve game winning run and leads us to a top four finish?

Carlo (the Don) Ancelotti !!! He has a secret yearning to finish the job he started, so decides to leave Real Madrid to come back to Chelsea 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

16 minutes ago, coombsie said:

Carlo (the Don) Ancelotti !!! He has a secret yearning to finish the job he started, so decides to leave Real Madrid to come back to Chelsea 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Ancelotti has no track record of squad building, he would be a disaster in our current condition. If we were ever to consider this reunion it would have to be when we're back competing again.

I don't know if getting him would even be a remote possibility but if the time comes and there's simply no way back for Potter I would sound out Stefano Pioli, he's basically risen Milan from the ashes.

I am glad he's supported in the market this January. Felix is coming in so that's two attackers and one CB brought in for him. And it sounds like a rightback and quite possibly a midfielder is coming in as well.

So that is good news. But with that it's also time to walk the walk so Potter will run out of excuses quick if we don't see great improvement.

We are also investing £15 million in a player for a 4 month loan. So it's not just about building for the future is it...

 

I will back Potter until at least the end of next season.

He needs time to develop his ideas. 

17 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

My biggest concern at the moment about all of these types of noises and negative rumours is that :

Roberto Martinez is currently available.

 

Dear god NOOOOoooooo,

Potter studied the training methods of Roberto Martínez.

45 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

I am glad he's supported in the market this January. Felix is coming in so that's two attackers and one CB brought in for him. And it sounds like a rightback and quite possibly a midfielder is coming in as well.

So that is good news. But with that it's also time to walk the walk so Potter will run out of excuses quick if we don't see great improvement.

We are also investing £15 million in a player for a 4 month loan. So it's not just about building for the future is it...

 

I'll be very surprised if Felix is Potter idea

22 minutes ago, Baba said:

I will back Potter until at least the end of next season.

He needs time to develop his ideas. 

Yes but you cannot expect the fans to be onboard when both the performances and results are so terrible, the fans need time to be convinced he's not out of his depth, the quicker were convinced, the more comfortable he will feel in the job. 

5 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I'll be very surprised if Felix is Potter idea

He better be a Potter idea, and all the other accusations we get this window, the fans will label all new players as Potters players, so he better make sure these are the right players. 

Or are we just going to amass a bunch of players without his input and guidance i just do not see the point in backing him.

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

It is very difficult to incorporate kids to functioning unit. Because if you are functioning, you are not 10th. You are competing for top 4 or title and you have very little room for error. 

You can still be a functioning unit in 10th position, take a look at Brighton and Fulham. At present most of the group are struggling to gain any kind of form and are a truly incohesive unit. Throwing a load of inexperienced kids in like Hutchinson at this stage will not only damage their confidence, it could really send the team into freefall. Btw I'm not including the likes of Carney as a kid as he has had previous experience at this level. We need our more senior players to step up now to steady the ship, at this point yes we can throw the odd youth team player in and you would likely see them flourish. Out of interest what do you think Hutchinson gained from his second appearance? I saw a player looked frightened to be on the ball, taking the very easy option instead of doing the things that have given him the chance to play in the first team, contrast this to the 17 year old kid Klopp through on against Wolves, admittedly they arent fully functioning themselves but are at a better period than ourselves. All young players need to play, they do also need to be ready to perform at the level they are being set.