32 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Not beating Liverpool has nothing to do with Potter here unless you want him to walk the ball into the net himself. 
At some point the players need to take responsibility.

And at what point does a manager take responsibility for every team he's ever coached being unable to score goals?

Brighton are now scoring nearly twice as many goals per game under De Zerbi as they did under Potter with the same set of players. They've beat Liverpool 3-0 last week and put another 3 past them at Anfield as well.  They nearly never scored more than a goal a game under Potter 

Of course our players aren't the prolific sort but it does make you wonder what kind of finishing drills are involved in Potters training methods given no player he's ever coached in England can hit a barn door.

Edited January 21, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

7 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

And at what point does a manager take responsibility for every team he's ever coached being unable to score goals?

Brighton are now scoring nearly twice as many goals per game under De Zerbi as they did under Potter with the same set of players. They've beat Liverpool 3-0 last week and put another 3 past them at Anfield as well.  They nearly never scored more than a goal a game under Potter 

Of course our players aren't the prolific sort but it does make you wonder what kind of finishing drills are involved in Potters training methods given no player he's ever coached in England can hit a barn door.

You know a lot about Brighton. Well done you. 

3 minutes ago, just said:

You know a lot about Brighton. Well done you. 

Hopefully he'll go support them soon.

1 minute ago, dkw said:

Hopefully he'll go support them soon.

They do have a nice home kit imo, soothing colors. Maybe that is why us and Pool fell asleep at their place.

I reckon it was 2 points lost yesterday, Liverpool  were so short on form and played an extra game mid week. It could have been the day for Potter to earn his money and support of fans, and we get the usual 'positives' but not much else . This is where an experienced and more tactical aware manager would have manufactured a win somehow, unfortunately we have got rid of them in recent years, and we got what we got at moment. I actually don't think the massive spending by the owner is helping Potter this window, we are overloaded with players in certain areas. Some have to play due to the price tag, others will just sit on the bench for weeks and start fading before they realise it. Sure they all have 7 years deal, but only take a few months for players want out if their home is the bench. Normally we got cup games to try out those new players, now we just got league and 2 CL games on schedule, you just can't take too many chances.

Edited January 21, 20233 yr by icecoolguy22

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Hopefully he'll go support them soon.

Well he has to support someone. 

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

I reckon it was 2 points lost yesterday, Liverpool  were so short on form and played an extra game mid week. It could have been the day for Potter to earn his money and support of fans, and we get the usual 'positives' but not much else . This is where an experienced and more tactical aware manager would have manufactured a win somehow, unfortunately we have got rid of them in recent years, and we got what we got at moment. I actually don't think the massive spending by the owner is helping Potter this window, we are overloaded with players in certain areas. Some have to play due to the price tag, others will just sit on the bench for weeks and start fading before they realise it. Sure they all have 7 years deal, but only take a few months for players want out if their home is the bench. Normally we got cup games to try out those new players, now we just got league and 2 CL games on schedule, you just can't take too many chances.

When you are the better team overall and don't win? Yup, certainly is 2 points dropped.

What I like at this very moment

We have a couple of players playing at good/consistent level; Silva, Kepa, (Badiashile), Havertz.

We have played 4-3-3 for a while now even though we are forced to play Chalobah and Hall as fullbacks. We are finding a new formation to stick with.

We are not looking for cheap ways to win. If we win we win, if we lose we lose. We need to trust the process. Players need to play a position for a couple of games in a row to find their rhythm. The 'old Chelsea' never had this luxury. That wasn't an option.

Our three new signings look very very promising; Mudryk, Felix and Badiashile. They look they have the ability to transform us.

Many of our long term injured players are coming back; James, Chilwell, Ruben...

Ziyech looks like the player we expected him to be. Two games in a row he's been excellent. Whether we are selling him or not we need his abilities. He is a senior player.

Ziyech  may be raising his game due to Felix and Mudryk coming in.

7 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

Ziyech  may be raising his game due to Felix and Mudryk coming in.

When we signed him he looked good then he hardly seem to get a game... seems like Potter is giving him a chance and that he's been given the nod over Mount for free kicks

I'm positive at the moment not because we are playing great just that we are still looking to improve defensive midfield and right back if the sports media has it right. 

Assuming that is correct we will then have a strong squad. 

We will improve regardless with Felix and James coming back in yet if we fix the squad deficiencies we can finish strongly.

 

19 hours ago, TimesUpPotter said:

Todays draw is not a good result.

This is a Liverpool side that was there for the taking.

I wonder what the city fans posted on their forums when they lost at Anfield this season? Sack Guardiola perhaps!? 

All you 'sack Potter now' zealots, are any of you old enough to remember 1993/94?  Let me tell you what I remember.  

In 1992/93 we had finished 11th - dull, long ball football, attendances at an all time top flight low, club not exactly 'flush' with funds.  At the start of 93/94 a new manager is in place, a man called Glenn Hoddle.  This manager is not the kind of guy that advocates dull, long ball football, he wants the game played the 'right way', pass and move, control of the football, he wants 'attractive football', football to bring the supporters back through the turnstiles.  Fast forward to 28th December 1993, there we are, in the relegation places, we have won THREE league games ALL SEASON, we have lost EIGHT of our last ten, drawing the other two, me and a friend get a couple of tickets that day to watch us play Newcastle United - a club challenging for the title (they finished 3rd that season).  The 'atmosphere' at the Bridge has been getting 'toxic', Hoddle out NOW is what a percentage of Chelsea fans are demanding (a smaller percentage than those that want to give him a chance), game kicks off and Newcastle start threatening straight away, HOWEVER there is something 'different' about this Chelsea team, despite being under the cosh for long periods they are breaking with some beautiful moves, they're no longer hoofing it forward towards the 'big man' (not that we had one at the time it was Peacock and Stein!), suddenly a beautiful move forward and we go one up! In fact we hang on for our first league win since SEPTEMBER.  From that moment on we start to improve, we're unbeaten in the next 5 (winning 4).  

At the end of the season we finish 14th three places LOWER that the previous year BUT there is something different, a team that plays attractive football, we start to see the attendances increase, we start 'attracting' the TV camera's, we start getting more cash and better players.  These are our finishing places and average attendances in the following years:-

94/95 - 11th - 21,063

95/96 - 11th - 25,590

96/97 - 6th - 27,512

97/98 - 4th - 32,901

98/99 - 3rd - 34,748

The rest is as they say history,  it was a revolution at the club, Hoddle didn't immediately improve things.......in fact results got worse, before getting better, however after a couple of seasons he had a very poor team playing competitive AND attractive football that completely changed the direction of our club.

Can you imagine what would have happened if Bates bowed to the pressure and sacked him when things were going badly (a lot worse than things have been under Potter)?

I feel fairly sure we would NOT have two Champions League trophies in the cabinet right now!

All you Potter haters think on.

Blimey @Droyman you seem hung up on the old days at Chelsea!

You know there is a massive amount of the old skool on here right? More than I’ve seen anywhere else around the web!

I’m not Potters biggest fan and hoping he can change my opinion. I never wanted him here in the first place. But, I can also tell you those years you’ve listed, and before, I was in the Shed End.

If someone doesn’t like Potter at the club doesn’t automatically make them a Johnny-come-lately! And those born after those times, don’t have a choice do they, other than going off and learning the history!

I had been critical of Potter but realistically only time will tell if hes up to it but in fairness we are looking better, players are coming back from injury and Badiashille, Mudryk and Felix are all class. 

We are on the up.

1 hour ago, Mod said:

Blimey @Droyman you seem hung up on the old days at Chelsea!

You know there is a massive amount of the old skool on here right? More than I’ve seen anywhere else around the web!

I’m not Potters biggest fan and hoping he can change my opinion. I never wanted him here in the first place. But, I can also tell you those years you’ve listed, and before, I was in the Shed End.

If someone doesn’t like Potter at the club doesn’t automatically make them a Johnny-come-lately! And those born after those times, don’t have a choice do they, other than going off and learning the history!

I would imagine however that anyone with a username asking to sack our manager, probably is a johnny come lately. 

44 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I would imagine however that anyone with a username asking to sack our manager, probably is a johnny come lately. 

You've imagined incorrectly.

I do however find it strange that there's a selection of old supporters who are dismissive of those that started supporting the club under Roman and constantly harp on back to the old days when Chelsea were a very different beast.

Roman bought the club 2 decades ago, assuming most people really get into football at the age of 10 you're looking at everyone under 30 and that includes pretty much ever player we've signed that will have only a Chelsea that always strive to be competitive.

As a club we're a completely different entity than what we were in the 70s and 80s both for better and for worse and while  some older supporters will have a lot of nostalgia from those times the standard now simply has to be higher due to the level of investment into the club, from the staff to the players to Cobam and the rest of the facilities and Graham Potter has to meet those standards.

Edited January 22, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

2 hours ago, Droyman said:

All you 'sack Potter now' zealots, are any of you old enough to remember 1993/94?  Let me tell you what I remember.  

In 1992/93 we had finished 11th - dull, long ball football, attendances at an all time top flight low, club not exactly 'flush' with funds.  At the start of 93/94 a new manager is in place, a man called Glenn Hoddle.  This manager is not the kind of guy that advocates dull, long ball football, he wants the game played the 'right way', pass and move, control of the football, he wants 'attractive football', football to bring the supporters back through the turnstiles.  Fast forward to 28th December 1993, there we are, in the relegation places, we have won THREE league games ALL SEASON, we have lost EIGHT of our last ten, drawing the other two, me and a friend get a couple of tickets that day to watch us play Newcastle United - a club challenging for the title (they finished 3rd that season).  The 'atmosphere' at the Bridge has been getting 'toxic', Hoddle out NOW is what a percentage of Chelsea fans are demanding (a smaller percentage than those that want to give him a chance), game kicks off and Newcastle start threatening straight away, HOWEVER there is something 'different' about this Chelsea team, despite being under the cosh for long periods they are breaking with some beautiful moves, they're no longer hoofing it forward towards the 'big man' (not that we had one at the time it was Peacock and Stein!), suddenly a beautiful move forward and we go one up! In fact we hang on for our first league win since SEPTEMBER.  From that moment on we start to improve, we're unbeaten in the next 5 (winning 4).  

At the end of the season we finish 14th three places LOWER that the previous year BUT there is something different, a team that plays attractive football, we start to see the attendances increase, we start 'attracting' the TV camera's, we start getting more cash and better players.  These are our finishing places and average attendances in the following years:-

94/95 - 11th - 21,063

95/96 - 11th - 25,590

96/97 - 6th - 27,512

97/98 - 4th - 32,901

98/99 - 3rd - 34,748

The rest is as they say history,  it was a revolution at the club, Hoddle didn't immediately improve things.......in fact results got worse, before getting better, however after a couple of seasons he had a very poor team playing competitive AND attractive football that completely changed the direction of our club.

Can you imagine what would have happened if Bates bowed to the pressure and sacked him when things were going badly (a lot worse than things have been under Potter)?

I feel fairly sure we would NOT have two Champions League trophies in the cabinet right now!

All you Potter haters think on.

We haven't even play beautiful football yet. Taking hindsight back all the way to the mid-90's is a bit much. 

Suddenly criticizing a manager = being a hater?  Come on now

Thought we played very well against Liverpool up to the point the ball transitioned out of Jorginho's feet. Then it was just a clown show for 90 minutes if Mudryk or Ziyech didn't have the ball. 

1 hour ago, TimesUpPotter said:

As a club we're a completely different entity than what we were in the 70s and 80s both for better and for worse and while  some older supporters will have a lot of nostalgia from those times the standard now simply has to be higher due to the level of investment into the club, from the staff to the players to Cobam and the rest of the facilities and Graham Potter has to meet those standards.

Yes time moves on yet entitlement to win does not.

We have bought and normally overpaid for good and average players that don't maintain their form or fall prey to injury and then by sticking to FFP we end up with unbalanced and limited squads.

Potter is the first manager for some time we are seriously investing in rather than use a sticking plaster yet that is just this month.

Not sure how you can judge him so soon.

So does the "Chelsea losing is okay because we used to be sh*t years ago" logic only work when it's a manager that you like? 
 

Why do people forget we have a new owner? Seems like many here think Abramovic still owns and controls the club.

Now we don't know what Boehly does with managers but giving a delusional 5 year contract to Potter, at the same time buying tons of young players and sacking him after a couple of months after some bad results would make him look like a total idiot. 

I don't think he is an idiot. Same goes to Potter. His track record is pretty good.

3 hours ago, Deino said:

We haven't even play beautiful football yet. Taking hindsight back all the way to the mid-90's is a bit much. 

Suddenly criticizing a manager = being a hater?  Come on now

I never used the term 'hater'?  Why is hindsight back to the 90's a bit much?  To think that there was no pressure on the club just because it was 30 years ago is wrong, to think that Hoddle wasn't under pressure because it was the 90's is wrong, in fact I think he was under even more pressure.  Chelsea were the 'swinging' club of the late 60's early 70's, that is before my time but I am under no illusions as to the feelings of the supporters when the castle started to crumble in the mid to late seventies.  Mentioning Hoddle is, if you ask me VERY appropriate, fact is Hoddle was brought in to usher in a new era, like Potter - he had to start with mediocrity, like Potter - he struggled for results for a while, like Potter (in fact for longer than Potter has been given so far) - he needed time, which the club afforded him and therefore in the long run flourished - like Potter?

6 hours ago, Mod said:

Blimey @Droyman you seem hung up on the old days at Chelsea!

You know there is a massive amount of the old skool on here right? More than I’ve seen anywhere else around the web!

I’m not Potters biggest fan and hoping he can change my opinion. I never wanted him here in the first place. But, I can also tell you those years you’ve listed, and before, I was in the Shed End.

If someone doesn’t like Potter at the club doesn’t automatically make them a Johnny-come-lately! And those born after those times, don’t have a choice do they, other than going off and learning the history!

I''m only mentioning the times that we have been in the same situations that we find ourselves in now, and I am only trying to point out that removing the manager instead of addressing the real issues didn't work back then and I'm sure it won't work now.

5 minutes ago, Droyman said:

Mentioning Hoddle is, if you ask me VERY appropriate, fact is Hoddle was brought in to usher in a new era, like Potter - he had to start with mediocrity, like Potter - he struggled for results for a while, like Potter (in fact for longer than Potter has been given so far) - he needed time, which the club afforded him and therefore in the long run flourished - like Potter?

I wonder if he’ll end up leaving us for the England job too.