1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

I wonder if he’ll end up leaving us for the England job too. 

Be careful what you wish for.

1 hour ago, Droyman said:

I''m only mentioning the times that we have been in the same situations that we find ourselves in now, and I am only trying to point out that removing the manager instead of addressing the real issues didn't work back then and I'm sure it won't work now.

Agreed. The previous managers around that time had been shown the door after similar bad runs. But they had been replaced with managers that offered nothing significantly different. In those cases we had a rally for a while and then found ourselves in the same position a year or 2 later. Under Hoddle it felt different from the start as you could see he was trying to change the style of play. As you say a revolution. There were plenty of games where it didn't work but at least the football was better to watch. Under Potter the change of style has been less obvious immediately. But some of that I put down to the fact he came in mid-season and then had to deal with so many players missing through injuries. Whether or not Potter works long term remains to be seen. But the signings of young and exciting players gives me some optimism for a longer term strategy. I suspect there will be some bumps in the road, but I think we will ultimately have a team that is much more exciting to watch.

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

Agreed. The previous managers around that time had been shown the door after similar bad runs. But they had been replaced with managers that offered nothing significantly different. In those cases we had a rally for a while and then found ourselves in the same position a year or 2 later. Under Hoddle it felt different from the start as you could see he was trying to change the style of play. As you say a revolution. There were plenty of games where it didn't work but at least the football was better to watch. Under Potter the change of style has been less obvious immediately. But some of that I put down to the fact he came in mid-season and then had to deal with so many players missing through injuries. Whether or not Potter works long term remains to be seen. But the signings of young and exciting players gives me some optimism for a longer term strategy. I suspect there will be some bumps in the road, but I think we will ultimately have a team that is much more exciting to watch.

Being as dominant as we were mid 2000's is going to be a tall order - there is more top heavy competition now (ie everybody's got the money!) but I am pretty hopeful we will be playing attractive football and we will be competing for the top prizes.  Time will tell, as long as we give it (the project) some time.

5 minutes ago, Droyman said:

Being as dominant as we were mid 2000's is going to be a tall order - there is more top heavy competition now (ie everybody's got the money!) but I am pretty hopeful we will be playing attractive football and we will be competing for the top prizes.  Time will tell, as long as we give it (the project) some time.

That great team of the 2000's was also built after a period of transition under Ranieri. He replaced our very entertaining team of the late 90's and built an excellent new team over a few seasons. He wasn't able to win anything with that team but he built the foundations that allowed Jose to complete the project.

There's so much revisionist history around Brighton, when Potter left they were 4th and generally seen as one of the most entertaining teams in the league but now for some reason they're seen as a much better team now under De Zerbi?

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

There's so much revisionist history around Brighton, when Potter left they were 4th and generally seen as one of the most entertaining teams in the league but now for some reason they're seen as a much better team now under De Zerbi?

Brighton struggled to score goals last season, only the bottom 3 and Wolves scored less.

Brighton have scored 32 goals in their last 12 games under De Zerbi.

Read into that what you like.

2 hours ago, bluehaze said:

absolutely lol, but we still haven't reached the heady heights of king Kenny's newcastle of way back when

30 minutes ago, coco said:

Brighton struggled to score goals last season, only the bottom 3 and Wolves scored less.

Brighton have scored 32 goals in their last 12 games under De Zerbi.

Read into that what you like.

And Potter's last game in charge they scored 5. While we only scored 9 goals in the 8 games before Potter came in.

Maybe both teams carried on where they left off. Because it's not that easy to change a team when you can't sign any players and you dont have a pre season.

Edited January 22, 20233 yr by bisright1

56 minutes ago, coco said:

Brighton struggled to score goals last season, only the bottom 3 and Wolves scored less.

Brighton have scored 32 goals in their last 12 games under De Zerbi.

Read into that what you like.

 

26 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

And Potter's last game in charge they scored 5. While we only scored 9 goals in the 8 games before Potter came in.

Maybe both teams carried on where they left off. Because it's not that easy to change a team when you can't sign any players and you dont have a pre season.

Well with Mudryk, Madueke and Felix on board we will soon see whether it is on Potter or not fellas eh?

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

 

Well with Mudryk, Madueke and Felix on board we will soon see whether it is on Potter or not fellas eh?

Yes exactly. Whether the next 2 months is the right timeline or whether a pre season is needed I've always said if we aren't in the top 4 places by the end of the calendar year then it's on Potter.

Until then analysing what he did at Brighton last season, but then ignoring how Brighton started this season, is just pointless. 

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

 

Well with Mudryk, Madueke and Felix on board we will soon see whether it is on Potter or not fellas eh?

If the team starts scoring after spending 100m+ on a bunch of elite attackers, does that mean Potter is now doing a good job?

8 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

If the team starts scoring after spending 100m+ on a bunch of elite attackers, does that mean Potter is now doing a good job?

It's strange how some people think we need the best players in the world in every position before we can expect a single goal under Potter.

6 hours ago, Droyman said:

I never used the term 'hater'?  Why is hindsight back to the 90's a bit much?  To think that there was no pressure on the club just because it was 30 years ago is wrong, to think that Hoddle wasn't under pressure because it was the 90's is wrong, in fact I think he was under even more pressure.  Chelsea were the 'swinging' club of the late 60's early 70's, that is before my time but I am under no illusions as to the feelings of the supporters when the castle started to crumble in the mid to late seventies.  Mentioning Hoddle is, if you ask me VERY appropriate, fact is Hoddle was brought in to usher in a new era, like Potter - he had to start with mediocrity, like Potter - he struggled for results for a while, like Potter (in fact for longer than Potter has been given so far) - he needed time, which the club afforded him and therefore in the long run flourished - like Potter?

In your previous post, your last sentence is literally "All you Potter haters think on".

Hindsight going back to 90's just to cherrypick is a bit much. A lot of Chelsea managers started with some collection of mediocre players and were under a lot of pressure especially in the Roman years. Lampard took over a young squad and managed to finish in the Top 4, Tuchel took over a squad depleted of morale and on a downward spiral, still managed Top 4+CL trophy. Conte took over from a squad that was 17th at one point the previous year and won the league with the addition of Kante, Alonso and Moses. The only period where we had a truly Top 11 with worldclass players throughout was between 2005-2011 because after that we were just an okay team (with 1 worldclass player) punching above our weight again and again.  

Whether Potter flourished or not now depends entirely on him because Todd & co. have pretty much replaced the entire attack in 1 window. Once Todd brings in a new midfield with Chilwell and James returning, there is no longer any excuse Potter can lean on. 

Edited January 23, 20233 yr by Deino

We have had 2 different polls on whether Potter should be sacked, but I wonder if a better question is who genuinely believes, if Potter stays here for at least his 4.5 years left, that we have at least mounted a serious title challange?

22 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

We have had 2 different polls on whether Potter should be sacked, but I wonder if a better question is who genuinely believes, if Potter stays here for at least his 4.5 years left, that we have at least mounted a serious title challange?

Agreed. Now that we have a squad about to come into full fitness, this is when his managerial nous comes in and show us what the future looks like with Potter at the helm. 

The last 2 matches showed me that he still has a chance to turn our season around. If Potter does manage to get us back to winning ways or showing an entertaining style of football, I say give him the 2-3 years

13 minutes ago, Deino said:

Agreed. Now that we have a squad about to come into full fitness, this is when his managerial nous comes in and show us what the future looks like with Potter at the helm. 

The last 2 matches showed me that he still has a chance to turn our season around. If Potter does manage to get us back to winning ways or showing an entertaining style of football, I say give him the 2-3 years

Way it has gone this season I would be shocked if we managed to keep our key players fit for extended runs together.

Ways to improve:

Play together for an extended period of time

Find partnerships and combinations that work

Find a core that works

Win consecutive games. Build on wins

Promote young players that can bring new things to the game

Buy new players that better fits to the current team

Sell on players that are disrupting the squad or not fitting the system

Improve individual players to reach their peak.

 

If you look at that list we basically have only bought players who are not yet ready to be the core. Helpful for sure but the age is not right. Otherwise we need time and if Potter is doing his job we are going to get better.

I just watched our next matches and the next 11 games look winnable. 12th game is Brighton and 13th is MU. Otherwise we have a good run of games ahead. A juicy Dortmund tie as well. 

AND we will get players like James and Chilwell back to fold. I feel we are heading for some better times. 

I think we are going to win 8 from that 11, maybe a draw and 2 losses. 

I am not for one minute suggesting GP's job is under threat, but perhaps a rather sobering point is the list of "leading contenders" for the job, were he to be axed. The following is the betting on Paddy Power's "Next Permanent Chelsea Manager" page 😉

Mauricio Pochettino 17/20

Brendan Rogers 9/1

Diego Simeone 10/1 (Nibs will not be happy 🤣)

Zindeine Zidane 12/1

Thomas Tuchel 14/1

Jose Mourinho 16-1

Carlo Ancelotti 20-1

Antonio Conte 25-1

Ange Postecoglu 25-1

Thomas Frank 25-1

Frank Lampard 25-1

 

I think that this just goes to show, that there are not that many NEW and quality candidates, coming to the fore. And that the list, albeit rather lazy, is almost a repeat of our previous managers & coaches. Think Postecoglu might do a decent job though 

20 minutes ago, coombsie said:

I am not for one minute suggesting GP's job is under threat, but perhaps a rather sobering point is the list of "leading contenders" for the job, were he to be axed. The following is the betting on Paddy Power's "Next Permanent Chelsea Manager" page 😉

Mauricio Pochettino 17/20

Brendan Rogers 9/1

Diego Simeone 10/1 (Nibs will not be happy 🤣)

Zindeine Zidane 12/1

Thomas Tuchel 14/1

Jose Mourinho 16-1

Carlo Ancelotti 20-1

Antonio Conte 25-1

Ange Postecoglu 25-1

Thomas Frank 25-1

Frank Lampard 25-1

 

I think that this just goes to show, that there are not that many NEW and quality candidates, coming to the fore. And that the list, albeit rather lazy, is almost a repeat of our previous managers & coaches. Think Postecoglu might do a decent job though 

Think Glasner is a likely one, surprised not on that list. 

9 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

If the team starts scoring after spending 100m+ on a bunch of elite attackers, does that mean Potter is now doing a good job?

Well Tuchel couldnt get them scoring after spending £100m+, does that mean he did a bad job?

9 hours ago, Deino said:

In your previous post, your last sentence is literally "All you Potter haters think on".

Hindsight going back to 90's just to cherrypick is a bit much. A lot of Chelsea managers started with some collection of mediocre players and were under a lot of pressure especially in the Roman years. Lampard took over a young squad and managed to finish in the Top 4, Tuchel took over a squad depleted of morale and on a downward spiral, still managed Top 4+CL trophy. Conte took over from a squad that was 17th at one point the previous year and won the league with the addition of Kante, Alonso and Moses. The only period where we had a truly Top 11 with worldclass players throughout was between 2005-2011 because after that we were just an okay team (with 1 worldclass player) punching above our weight again and again.  

Whether Potter flourished or not now depends entirely on him because Todd & co. have pretty much replaced the entire attack in 1 window. Once Todd brings in a new midfield with Chilwell and James returning, there is no longer any excuse Potter can lean on. 

Yes but I am being accused of 'hating' newer Chelsea fans................and that is simply not true!

3 hours ago, coombsie said:

I am not for one minute suggesting GP's job is under threat, but perhaps a rather sobering point is the list of "leading contenders" for the job, were he to be axed. The following is the betting on Paddy Power's "Next Permanent Chelsea Manager" page 😉

Mauricio Pochettino 17/20

Brendan Rogers 9/1

Diego Simeone 10/1 (Nibs will not be happy 🤣)

Zindeine Zidane 12/1

Thomas Tuchel 14/1

Jose Mourinho 16-1

Carlo Ancelotti 20-1

Antonio Conte 25-1

Ange Postecoglu 25-1

Thomas Frank 25-1

Frank Lampard 25-1

 

I think that this just goes to show, that there are not that many NEW and quality candidates, coming to the fore. And that the list, albeit rather lazy, is almost a repeat of our previous managers & coaches. Think Postecoglu might do a decent job though 

I would love Simeone, I always want a defensive manager instead of a 'freeflowing football' manager

2 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I would love Simeone, I always want a defensive manager instead of a 'freeflowing football' manager

He's got zero chance of the job even if Potter is sacked. He is literally the worst fit for the job.

4 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I would love Simeone, I always want a defensive manager instead of a 'freeflowing football' manager

Sarcasm right?