5 minutes ago, coco said:

Covid, club sanctioned, no owner at helm, divorce, all of the above.

Isn't it amazing that people just dismiss the horrible year Tuchel just had? As if all these things (+ injury to key players and a 100m snake stabbing him at every chance in the back) didn't wear Tuchel out.

Like it or not, Tuchel is the past and Potter is the present. Most of us were shocked with his sacking but he's gone now. He gave us great memories with the hattrick of wins over Pep, CL win and CWC and Super cup wins. The thing now for us to see is if Potter can build something or not.

26 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

Going to say it - it’s frustrating and hard to watch, but this is the worse Chelsea squad/team we’ve had since mid 90s. 
 

It’s not just the lack of quality or end product, but the distinct lack of character and bottle. A very fragile and weak team 

This.

Just now, Lang7 said:

Every club had to deal with COVID. Sanctions hurt, yes, but we had the same squad that won the CL. He then spent £250M without any interference, so why were we going backwards?

People are so quick to pull any excuse for Tuchel to avoid the possibility that he just might not have been good enough.

Proven elite manager, as you will see when he goes to a new club.

4 minutes ago, Nick05 said:

It shows you dont need expensive players. You need effective players who are suited to the roles they are asked to play.

You're not wrong, but the same reasoning can't be applied on playing Pulisic and Sterling as wingbacks for almost 4 games straight.

So which is it that Potter needed?

8 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Conte ran away with the league, as did Mourinho (3 times) and Ancelotti, Tuchel won the Champions League. The only coach that was considered top level that's flopped here was Scolari.

Conte ran away with the league due to Liverpool and City not being anywhere close to as strong. Fair play, but the latter part of that season we starting falling off and dropping points. 

8 minutes ago, SFL82 said:

After spending 200 million in a window 5 games into a season? If you think tuchel isn’t top 5 in the world you need to watch more football 

How many “top 5 in the world” managers spend £250M and never get a sniff at a league title, or get smashed 3-0 by a relegation-battling Leeds team?

28 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

Going to say it - it’s frustrating and hard to watch, but this is the worse Chelsea squad/team we’ve had since mid 90s. 
 

It’s not just the lack of quality or end product, but the distinct lack of character and bottle. A very fragile and weak team 

The lack of character in this team has existed for the last five years in my opinion. Only half the players in our team have a spine to push on for a win. 

2 minutes ago, enigma said:

Conte ran away with the league due to Liverpool and City not being anywhere close to as strong. Fair play, but the latter part of that season we starting falling off and dropping points. 

93 points still one of our highest tallies ever, we haven't cracked 80 since. 

4 minutes ago, coco said:

Proven elite manager, as you will see when he goes to a new club.

Can see him going Barca depending on how patient they are with Xavi, they basically have all the players he wanted anyway

6 minutes ago, Lampsy said:

That's where you're wrong, our team doesn't have better players at his disposal. We spent a truck load on garbage.

If we don't have better players then how come we finished in the top 4 few previous years and won the Champions League. I doubt Tuchel would have won CL with Brighton players.  We do have better players who regularly play for their national teams but they just don't function well at Chelsea which is a different issue...

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Proven elite manager, as you will see when he goes to a new club.

Where exactly has he proven it? One cup in 2 years at Dortmund? Or maybe you meant PSG, where he (unsurprisingly) walked a 1 horse race with one of the most expensive squads ever assembled?
 

The myth of Tuchel’s brilliance continues to grow…

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1 minute ago, Lang7 said:

Where exactly has he proven it? One cup in 2 years at Dortmund? Or maybe you meant PSG, where he (unsurprisingly) walked a 1 horse race with one of the most expensive squads ever assembled, before losing the league to Lille?
 

The myth of Tuchel’s brilliance continues to grow…

Tuchel never lost the league to Lille. And whether he is a top 5 manager or not, he is 100x more qualified to manage Chelsea than Graham Potter is

21 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I hope Boehly is as trigger happy as he was with Tuchel, Hansi Flick/ Luis Enrique could be available after the WC

I hope he's not. Firing and hiring is what led us to the sh*tshow of a squad we have at the moment. If we actually built a team around Conte years ago we probably would have been challenging City and Liverpool during the last five years. I'm still on the fence about Potter but I'd rather stick with him then fire him for the next shiny manager.

23 minutes ago, Valpo said:

One admittedly bad game.  Before this we had not lost under Potter.

I can go back and find bad games under Tuchel too.  And that is before this season.

 

This result has been coming we were lucky to get the win against Villa and I thought we got a bit fortunate to get anything from the Brentford and United games as well

40 minutes ago, coco said:

But Brighton have only had 9 seasons at top flight.

I think they beat us in the FA cup

38 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

Going to say it - it’s frustrating and hard to watch, but this is the worse Chelsea squad/team we’ve had since mid 90s. 
 

It’s not just the lack of quality or end product, but the distinct lack of character and bottle. A very fragile and weak team 

Many of these players are European Champions. Almost all of them were part of beating Real Madrid at the Bernabeu a few months ago and the same group of players got to two domestic cup finals and were unfortunate to lose on penalties in both.

Squad have some weaknesses. But Potter is making these players look so much worse than they are. There is absolutely zero excuses for what he's doing.

Now I know how Arsenal fans felt when playing the next match against us. Hope they become Charity FC this time.

6 minutes ago, Lang7 said:

How many “top 5 in the world” managers spend £250M and never get a sniff at a league title, or get smashed 3-0 by a relegation-battling Leeds team?

Norwich beat City last year and Klopp has also been humiliated every now and again by a relegation-battling team.

Tuchel was a brilliant manager in the time he managed the team. His downfall was the team believed they could do better without him. He could have easily walked away when the club was sanctioned or when his marriage was on the rocks, he didn't and soldiered on to at least brought CL last season.

A lesser manager wouldn't come close to what he achieved with us

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Tuchel never lost the league to Lille. And whether he is a top 5 manager or not, he is 100x more qualified to manage Chelsea than Graham Potter is

Correct, I got my seasons mixed up. It was Lyon who were on top of Ligue 1 when he was sacked. My point stands. Winning trophies in France with PSG is not impressive. I don’t believe Tuchel is as good as many people think but time will tell.

As for Potter, he may well be out of his depth but he should be given a fair crack. The irony of people baying for his head after 11 games, while simultaneously praising TT, who floundered for MONTHS after spending a fortune, is not lost on me.

1 minute ago, Deino said:

Norwich beat City last year and Klopp has also been humiliated every now and again by a relegation-battling team.

Tuchel was a brilliant manager in the time he managed the team. His downfall was the team believed they could do better without him. He could have easily walked away when the club was sanctioned or when his marriage was on the rocks, he didn't and soldiered on to at least brought CL last season.

A lesser manager wouldn't come close to what he achieved with us

No, his downfall was his own arrogance and shoehorning players in to a rigid system that stifled any attacking flair. As I said in another post, the excuses for Mr. Tuchel seem endless.

4 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I hope he's not. Firing and hiring is what led us to the sh*tshow of a squad we have at the moment. If we actually built a team around Conte years ago we probably would have been challenging City and Liverpool during the last five years. I'm still on the fence about Potter but I'd rather stick with him then fire him for the next shiny manager.

I 100% agree about Conte. Difference is Conte is a world class manager who's now built 3 title winning teams (Juventus, Chelsea Inter). With Juventus they went from 7th to turning the Serie A into a one team league and then went on to end that dominance with another team.

 

With Graham Potter there isn't any evidence he can replicate that success given time. The only evidence is one decent season with Brighton and a good job done in the Swedish leagues.

It's very knee jerk in here, We've just been beaten by a team our current manager created and fostered. Sure it's clear he doesn't know his best team.

He needs time, Give it to him and we might evolve into something better.

This is inacceptable being a Chelsea manager.

Well mercifully I did not see the game. Was about to start the recording but in starting it I got to see the score first and thought better off than rewinding the game.

The loss does not surprise me, we asked for it starting Havertz as a 9, who apparently missed a few really simple chances despite his goal, and playing Pulisic and Sterling at wingback. I expected better than such a disrespectful line up from Potter, if I did not know better I would think he was doing them a favour.

He talked about Brighton lacking luck so we helped them out. 2 own goals, and playing sh*t apparently.

Newcastle and Spurs won. My 7th place prediction is looking pretty good.

Oh and Spurs came back from 2 goals down away to win, whereas we got spanked from being 2 goals down.

This team is weak mentally, and are more Spursy than Spurs.