2 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Has he ever been a game changer?

We've barely won a game in the 10 months since he signed.

Yet despite ours, not his, struggles he still walks into the world cup winners as the 3rd name on the teamsheet.

If we want the best from Enzo we need to give him a rest. He was overloaded from too much football before, now he has a newborn at home as well.

Hopefully when Lavia is finally fit Enzo gets a few weeks off.

Personally getting annoyed of his inability to contribute anything defensively in midfield, but the sh*t he does looks like he isn't coached. Wandering off during set pieces and being widely out of position in the defensive transition. 

On the ball he is still amongst the best in the league, which for what eve reason pundits fail to recognize. 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Personally getting annoyed of his inability to contribute anything defensively in midfield, but the sh*t he does looks like he isn't coached. Wandering off during set pieces and being widely out of position in the defensive transition. 

On the ball he is still amongst the best in the league, which for what eve reason pundits fail to recognize. 

He's the number 8 now, he is supposed to have a more free role while others do the defensive tasks. That's why we signed Caicedo and that's why Gallagher runs a lot for defensive contributions.

7 hours ago, Argo said:

Yet despite ours, not his, struggles he still walks into the world cup winners as the 3rd name on the teamsheet.

I'm not saying he's a bad player. He's a very good player.

He isn't a game changer and hasn't been since he signed for us.

Him playing 3rd/4th/7th fiddle to the best player of all time in a 7 game knockout tournament doesn't change that.

14 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

I'm not saying he's a bad player. He's a very good player.

He isn't a game changer and hasn't been since he signed for us.

Him playing 3rd/4th/7th fiddle to the best player of all time in a 7 game knockout tournament doesn't change that.

The truth is that we kind of did build our team around Enzo and he should be doing better considering that he wanted to play more forward in comparison to when he came to the club and directly replaced Jorginho.

6 hours ago, Gol15 said:

The truth is that we kind of did build our team around Enzo and he should be doing better considering that he wanted to play more forward in comparison to when he came to the club and directly replaced Jorginho.

Let's be honest, we wouldn't even be talking about Enzo if this team wasn't so allergic to scoring. He's been involved with most of the team's offensive plays since the season started, his biggest deficit has been his scoring (although he was very close against Newcastle). Does he need to up his game? For sure, he can do a lot better, and should, but i insist that he's the least of our problems right now.

I remember when he first joined and him and Joao Felix had good chemistry. Nice dinked balls over the top of defenders for attackers to run onto, that has completely dried up. He doesn't even play long cross field passes anymore. He's invisible most games these days. I don't think he is our biggest problem, but he isn't exactly playing to the standard we would expect. Saying that, who is at this point? we're 10th, there isn't a single player who is having a great season. Palmer and Sterling have been good in patches, but that is all we are getting from this lot. Enzo has probably had 4 good games all season, that can be said for pretty much everybody so far. 

26 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I remember when he first joined and him and Joao Felix had good chemistry. Nice dinked balls over the top of defenders for attackers to run onto, that has completely dried up. He doesn't even play long cross field passes anymore. He's invisible most games these days. I don't think he is our biggest problem, but he isn't exactly playing to the standard we would expect. Saying that, who is at this point? we're 10th, there isn't a single player who is having a great season. Palmer and Sterling have been good in patches, but that is all we are getting from this lot. Enzo has probably had 4 good games all season, that can be said for pretty much everybody so far. 

Midtable attitude formed, brings midtable level of effort.

 

How many seasons will he give us without causing a fuss if we don't have CL football?

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

How many seasons will he give us without causing a fuss if we don't have CL football?

His agent may start to talk if we fails to get back into Europe next season, but realistically nobody will comes up and 100M+ to buy him. There will be suitors for him, but which big European clubs are desperate for Enzo and willing to break the bank? For 100M+ you want a bit more than what's Enzo been offering ( no disrespect for his passing ability), and Boehly and his pals won't want take a financial loss on their marquee signing either. I reckon he will stick around for quite a few seasons.

On 27/11/2023 at 05:46, axman2526 said:

Midtable attitude formed, brings midtable level of effort.

Encapsulates the teams decline perfectly.

Honestly a joke how certain midfielders are getting all the plaudits despite looking Sunday league level in comparison to Enzo on the ball. 

8 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

His agent may start to talk if we fails to get back into Europe next season, but realistically nobody will comes up and 100M+ to buy him. There will be suitors for him, but which big European clubs are desperate for Enzo and willing to break the bank? For 100M+ you want a bit more than what's Enzo been offering ( no disrespect for his passing ability), and Boehly and his pals won't want take a financial loss on their marquee signing either. I reckon he will stick around for quite a few seasons.

That is assuming he is OK with that.

"Ah but he signed a contract he can't do anything"

See Romelu Lukaku, our then record signing. Did we get our 97.5mill back? Nope, this ownership had the best part of 2 summers and could not sell him to something he agreed to, so off on loan he went.

I am not saying Enzo will be a prat like Rom BUT he was sold on a project of Chelsea building in to a side to challange for the big prizes, play CL regularly,not have his wages cut down by 30% penalty for no CL football.

Say a Man City or Real want to buy him, but only for 60mill. I think there is a chance he may do what Nunes did at Wolves this summer to make a move happen.

 

11 hours ago, axman2526 said:

That is assuming he is OK with that.

"Ah but he signed a contract he can't do anything"

See Romelu Lukaku, our then record signing. Did we get our 97.5mill back? Nope, this ownership had the best part of 2 summers and could not sell him to something he agreed to, so off on loan he went.

I am not saying Enzo will be a prat like Rom BUT he was sold on a project of Chelsea building in to a side to challange for the big prizes, play CL regularly,not have his wages cut down by 30% penalty for no CL football.

Say a Man City or Real want to buy him, but only for 60mill. I think there is a chance he may do what Nunes did at Wolves this summer to make a move happen.

 

If it happens in the future that he becomes unhappy in a year or two, that's his right isn't it?

If he can't get results but is playing really well and working very hard, can you blame him for seeing that this whole project isn't going anywhere? If in 2 years we don't get to play in Europe it will be his 4th year finished since he came here. He can very well think that it's not normal to spend 4 years in the PL without playing CL football. But by that time, he's not going to be valued at 100m even if he does play well because ultimately it matters how much influential a player is when it comes down to results.

19 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Honestly a joke how certain midfielders are getting all the plaudits despite looking Sunday league level in comparison to Enzo on the ball. 

Enzo has been awful that's why.

22 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

His agent may start to talk if we fails to get back into Europe next season, but realistically nobody will comes up and 100M+ to buy him. There will be suitors for him, but which big European clubs are desperate for Enzo and willing to break the bank? For 100M+ you want a bit more than what's Enzo been offering ( no disrespect for his passing ability), and Boehly and his pals won't want take a financial loss on their marquee signing either. I reckon he will stick around for quite a few seasons.

There's only one club who would pay £100+ for Enzo.....

Chelsea 

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

If it happens in the future that he becomes unhappy in a year or two, that's his right isn't it?

If he can't get results but is playing really well and working very hard, can you blame him for seeing that this whole project isn't going anywhere? If in 2 years we don't get to play in Europe it will be his 4th year finished since he came here. He can very well think that it's not normal to spend 4 years in the PL without playing CL football. But by that time, he's not going to be valued at 100m even if he does play well because ultimately it matters how much influential a player is when it comes down to results.

Would not blame him or others. If they were sold one vision but the actual is nothing like it.

On 01/12/2023 at 19:52, axman2526 said:

Would not blame him or others. If they were sold one vision but the actual is nothing like it.

The same thing has happened to me on the work front before, you get told what you will be doing and agree to do the role.

Takes about a month for it happen and then when you get there, you find the management has changed and so has your role even before you started.

You have to adjust, not fun just life.

 

3 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

The same thing has happened to me on the work front before, you get told what you will be doing and agree to do the role.

Takes about a month for it happen and then when you get there, you find the management has changed and so has your role even before you started.

You have to adjust, not fun just life.

 

Difference between a regular job, and a superstar footballer who has his pick of clubs.

Just now, axman2526 said:

Difference between a regular job, and a superstar footballer who has his pick of clubs.

Will we  know in January then?

 

Just now, strider6004 said:

Will we  know in January then?

 

No too soon. I am just saying Enzo won't wait here for year after year of midtable finishes. He will give us time now but in 2026 or if we keep finishing around 10th I don't see him wasting his career around midtable.

Enzo is playing with a bunch of idiots around him. He needs some help, wouldn't mind Andrey Santos back as he had a decent showing during the pre-season.

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Enzo is playing with a bunch of idiots around him. He needs some help, wouldn't mind Andrey Santos back as he had a decent showing during the pre-season.

The same bloke who can't even get a game at Forest is going to come here and give Enzo the cover he needs? Yeah that'll do wonders for Caicedo's confidence won't it.

Bloody hell Gol...