A lot of people are complaining that Poch is crazy to play Enzo high

How do you feed Mudryk if you don't ask Enzo high? 

 

7 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

A lot of people are complaining that Poch is crazy to play Enzo high

How do you feed Mudryk if you don't ask Enzo high? 

 

Then he has to find another way, playing Enzo as we saw yesterday is brainless.  We lose the ball high up as we saw multiple times yesterday and Enzo is screwed, he's not got any pace to get back quick enough; as good as Cesc was, he had the same problem the only difference is Cesc could score and play that killer pass; I'm not say Enzo can't do that be we've seen very little signs of it so far.  

13 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

Then he has to find another way, playing Enzo as we saw yesterday is brainless.  We lose the ball high up as we saw multiple times yesterday and Enzo is screwed, he's not got any pace to get back quick enough; as good as Cesc was, he had the same problem the only difference is Cesc could score and play that killer pass; I'm not say Enzo can't do that be we've seen very little signs of it so far.  

This is just basic pass map, now decide where do you want Enzo to play? 

This is Enzo best game (vs pool). 

Why can't we replicate this? Chuku n Chiwell. 

Yeah Chilwell at LW is the answer. 😂

4 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I think the reality is that in a well structured and organised team he can be effective and a pivotal. Same as Jorginho could have been for us. Of course, its a pretty pivotal position.

In a disorganised non functioning team his obvious limitations are, well, obvious and are somewhat heightened by the pivotal position. Can't run, can't head, can't shoot, has limited passing range when under pressure, can be bullied and out muscled when isolated. Pretty similar to Jorginho for me.

 

He’s a good player/ a very good player, who will likely come good for us. We vastly overpaid for him, breaking the golden tournament rule. I think it was @Gol15 who during the World Cup stated he was worth 30m but because of his good tournament 60m was likely. Somehow we overlooked the glaringly obvious that he had only played half a season in Europe and paid the overinflated buyout. He’s still very young, players who burst onto the scene frequently have a poorer second season, how they bounce back defines them. 

1 hour ago, charierre said:

He’s a good player/ a very good player, who will likely come good for us. We vastly overpaid for him, breaking the golden tournament rule. I think it was @Gol15 who during the World Cup stated he was worth 30m but because of his good tournament 60m was likely. Somehow we overlooked the glaringly obvious that he had only played half a season in Europe and paid the overinflated buyout. He’s still very young, players who burst onto the scene frequently have a poorer second season, how they bounce back defines them. 

Are you talking about enzo or jorgi? 

Poch is making him look a poor player. He is not.

4 hours ago, charierre said:

He’s a good player/ a very good player, who will likely come good for us. We vastly overpaid for him, breaking the golden tournament rule. I think it was @Gol15 who during the World Cup stated he was worth 30m but because of his good tournament 60m was likely. Somehow we overlooked the glaringly obvious that he had only played half a season in Europe and paid the overinflated buyout. He’s still very young, players who burst onto the scene frequently have a poorer second season, how they bounce back defines them. 

If you remember when Enzo came to play it was all looking like an upgrade on Jorginho as he automatically took that position and he was running the midfield from there alone while we had no real team since nobody was listening to the manager at the time.

For me it was so obvious that with Kante leaving that we should automatically sign McAllister as well because the two of them played well together during that World Cup where Enzo was in the middle and McAllister was all over the pitch, we could have had a really good option there and work-rate in McAllister that would fit right in with Enzo playing deeper.

In the end it looks like Liverpool managed to fully reconstruct their midfield with McAllister and Szoboszlai and it cost them less, in fact they did need an extra player there and they signed Endo for less than 20m. They didn't try to fix what wasn't broken.

We overpaid but at the time he was the perfect signing for us and I didn't mind the price as he was worth it. With that said I didn't know that we would be also splashing the cash on Caicedo and Lavia. That's 3 players for around 250m, yet still no system nor stability can be seen.

If you need Gallagher in order for Enzo and Caicedo to not lose a match while playing together there is something wrong and I have seen more than enough of Enzo leaving the midfield and casually trying to act as an attacking player. Both Enzo and Caicedo were valued as one of the best possible transfer targets because they had their previous managers and coaches instructing them what to do, now it looks like they are the stars and it's a given that they will play every week so apparently they don't need instructions...

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1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

If you remember when Enzo came to play it was all looking like an upgrade on Jorginho as he automatically took that position and he was running the midfield from there alone while we had no real team since nobody was listening to the manager at the time.

For me it was so obvious that with Kante leaving that we should automatically sign McAllister as well because the two of them played well together during that World Cup where Enzo was in the middle and McAllister was all over the pitch, we could have had a really good option there and work-rate in McAllister that would fit right in with Enzo playing deeper.

In the end it looks like Liverpool managed to fully reconstruct their midfield with McAllister and Szoboszlai and it cost them less, in fact they did need an extra player there and they signed Endo for less than 20m. They didn't try to fix what wasn't broken.

We overpaid but at the time he was the perfect signing for us and I didn't mind the price as he was worth it. With that said I didn't know that we would be also splashing the cash on Caicedo and Lavia. That's 3 players for around 250m, yet still no system nor stability can be seen.

If you need Gallagher in order for Enzo and Caicedo to not lose a match while playing together there is something wrong and I have seen more than enough of Enzo leaving the midfield and casually trying to act as an attacking player. Both Enzo and Caicedo were valued as one of the best possible transfer targets because they had their previous managers and coaches instructing them what to do, now it looks like they are the stars and it's a given that they will play every week so apparently they don't need instructions...

Did Argie play a back four or three Cbs?

1 hour ago, strider6004 said:

Did Argie play a back four or three Cbs?

Back 4. They did concede a bunch of goals though.

We are agree Enzo should be playing deeper, so whose fault is it he plays so high up the field?  Depends on who you believe, some said it's manager, other said Enzo  get to pick where to plays. In terms of passing ability, he's up there with Cesc, but he hasn't got the attacking ability of Cesc when plays higher up or as a false 9, and physically Cesc is much better at this stage of his career. If we want keep it simple, play Enzo deeper and stop reinventing the wheel.

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

We are agree Enzo should be playing deeper, so whose fault is it he plays so high up the field?  Depends on who you believe, some said it's manager, other said Enzo  get to pick where to plays. In terms of passing ability, he's up there with Cesc, but he hasn't got the attacking ability of Cesc when plays higher up or as a false 9, and physically Cesc is much better at this stage of his career. If we want keep it simple, play Enzo deeper and stop reinventing the wheel.

Of course it is the manager. 

But it is not about reinventing the wheel. Just look at that pass map and tell me how do you want to feed Mudryk? 

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4 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

We are agree Enzo should be playing deeper, so whose fault is it he plays so high up the field?  Depends on who you believe, some said it's manager, other said Enzo  get to pick where to plays. In terms of passing ability, he's up there with Cesc, but he hasn't got the attacking ability of Cesc when plays higher up or as a false 9, and physically Cesc is much better at this stage of his career. If we want keep it simple, play Enzo deeper and stop reinventing the wheel.

It's on the manager.

Even if Enzo wants to play higher it's the job of the coach to save players from themselves. Ederson would have been a midfielder by now if he had even the remotest say on it.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

It's on the manager.

Even if Enzo wants to play higher it's the job of the coach to save players from themselves. Ederson would have been a midfielder by now if he had even the remotest say on it.

It is not about where Enzo want to play. It is about how the team want to play. 

Let's say you put Enzo in his best position, deep on the right.

What about Mudyrk? 

5 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Of course it is the manager. 

But it is not about reinventing the wheel. Just look at that pass map and tell me how do you want to feed Mudryk? 

You already know the answer Bob. Mudryk hasn't done enough to earn his place. Firstly identify the key personnel for the roles, identify and develop the patterns and finally ensure the right personnel are I those positions and if previous pass maps show that Palmer must play the higher role and feeds Sterling because that gets the best results at this stage on form, then that is what we must do regardless of individual personalities.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

You already know the answer Bob. Mudryk hasn't done enough to earn his place. Firstly identify the key personnel for the roles, identify and develop the patterns and finally ensure the right personnel are I those positions and if previous pass maps show that Palmer must play the higher role and feeds Sterling because that gets the best results at this stage on form, then that is what we must do regardless of individual personalities.

I think Mudyrk deserved to start. Lazy Sterling is back and it just pissed me off. 

My point is more on manager has decide how to get the best out of everyone. Not just Enzo. 

 

On 12/12/2023 at 15:33, Bob stark said:

I think Mudyrk deserved to start. Lazy Sterling is back and it just pissed me off. 

My point is more on manager has decide how to get the best out of everyone. Not just Enzo. 

 

Mudryk needs to play a bit... he did ok against Everton... guy can make things happen - just give him a chance.

And let's change our top 3 to Mudryk Palmer Sterling and leave our, toothless strikers, on the bench.

On 09/12/2023 at 20:59, Argo said:

Blaming Enzo for our troubles makes about as much sense as blaming Alisson Liverpools season last year or Willian in 15/16.

I don't think anyone is solely blaming him but he shoulders as much responsibility as anyone else out on the pitch.

We can't give him a free pass because he had a good game once against Liverpool. 

Enzo has been massively underwhelming this season. He's been outplayed by Gallagher, who most would argue to be sold or dropped.

54 minutes ago, Bebe1980 said:

Mudryk needs to play a bit... he did ok against Everton... guy can make things happen - just give him a chance.

And let's change our top 3 to Mudryk Palmer Sterling and leave our, toothless strikers, on the bench.

As a false 9 fanatic, I love when a team play false 9 but not with that front 3.

After years of fan complaining about the false 9 under Tuchel and Potter, are we seriously considering it again? What's next, back 3 ? 😅 Mind you, even under Potter our best ( brief) run was back 3 with capable wing backs.

On 11/12/2023 at 23:48, Bob stark said:

Of course it is the manager. 

But it is not about reinventing the wheel. Just look at that pass map and tell me how do you want to feed Mudryk? 

long ball. Enzo's one of the best in the world at it and Mudryk is faster than 95% of full backs.

Get ball into Enzo early, big switch behind the full back. Piece of piss. 

47 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

long ball. Enzo's one of the best in the world at it and Mudryk is faster than 95% of full backs.

Get ball into Enzo early, big switch behind the full back. Piece of piss. 

It is not really a good idea to keep pumping long ball. You also want the distance between player to be a bit closer so it is easier to press once you lose the ball. 

My opinion is not going to be popular.  After watching most of the CFC games over the past two seasons I will say that Mudryk overall is underwhelming, and I doubt he will be good enough for the squad.  He has speed, but looks poor at everything else. I'd love him to be successful, but I just don't see how it's going to happen. Enzo does some things well and some bad.  He can create beautiful passes but has no final 1/3 touch and he is poor defensively.  I am bigger on Caicedo to succeed than Enzo.  

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

long ball. Enzo's one of the best in the world at it and Mudryk is faster than 95% of full backs.

Get ball into Enzo early, big switch behind the full back. Piece of piss. 

I`m amazed we dont do this more, Sterling and Mudryk are flying machines, we dont need them to play off the shoulder of the majority of defences as they just need a decent run into space, they will blitz them easily.