13 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Enzo’s been poor. 
 

Paez non existent. 
 

Caicedo struggling. 
 

 

Not a good showing from the Chelsea lads. 

Copa, overall, hasn’t really given many individual performances. It’s quite stop start, some terrible officiating, and really team performances. No one on either side really stood out last night. Caicedo does look a cut above over the 90 mins, and despite his antics, Martinez is a good GK.

What impressed me is at 17 how comfortable Paez looks on the pitch. Wants to take control (set pieces), and seems to enjoy the physical battles. Was still quite, but no more so than Messi. 

Enzo looks quite out of form. He needs to find a position and lock it down. 

12 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

Copa, overall, hasn’t really given many individual performances. It’s quite stop start, some terrible officiating, and really team performances. No one on either side really stood out last night. Caicedo does look a cut above over the 90 mins, and despite his antics, Martinez is a good GK.

What impressed me is at 17 how comfortable Paez looks on the pitch. Wants to take control (set pieces), and seems to enjoy the physical battles. Was still quite, but no more so than Messi. 

Enzo looks quite out of form. He needs to find a position and lock it down. 

My problem with the like of  Paez, estevao is that they are labeled as Neymar/Messi/Hazard. 

The expectation and the hype that these kids have is crazy. 

Edited July 6, 20242 yr by Bob stark

I watched the game...Paez just didn´t get enough ball to really make anything happen! Shelax guys! No need to panic. He is just 17 and also played one of the strongest nations in the world...

Overaction central as usual 

Im struggling to think of any youngster we have signed from Latin America who has risen through the ranks to become first team players. Happy to be led on this with some names. 

We have two exciting youth players who have yet to play football in Europe, get used to the league, culture, climate, language, who have never left home before and are expected to make a huge impact at a club theyve never played for. There is a lot that can go wrong for them before they even touch down in UK. 

If they make it great, but to think that we've signed offshoots of jizz from both of Jesus' testicles as football messiahs is... umm.. pie in the sky stuff. 

Never want players to fail but when the expectation from fans is so great, often there is bitter disappointment that follows. 

 

I think its OK to be excited about the potential of the young players we've signed.  Enjoy it - probably won't be the next Hazard, but its a fun strategy. 

Seen far too young prodigys not going on to become top players to get excited about talent that probably isnt going to make it. 

However, it is possible to get excited. I was for this group of players. but see how many havent made it at top clubs. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-chelsea-uefa-u19/startseite/verein/41573/saison_id/2015

 

 

4 minutes ago, bluetrooper said:

Seen far too young prodigys not going on to become top players to get excited about talent that probably isnt going to make it. 

However, it is possible to get excited. I was for this group of players. but see how many havent made it at top clubs. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-chelsea-uefa-u19/startseite/verein/41573/saison_id/2015

 

 

Almost all of them at Football League-standard clubs with a handful playing for Champions League teams. That's a pretty remarkable turnaround to be honest.

Compare and contrast: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-united-u18/kader/verein/5242/plus/0/galerie/0?saison_id=2015

With Enzo, I see similarities with Fabregas early on his career, a talented player whose qualities could be used all around the midfield or, in Cesc's case, even playing as a false 9. Thus Fabregas played everywhere in the field, having mixed reactions, sometimes he was superb, others were just meh or playing second fiddle to Messi and Co.

I do think we were the ones who got the best out of Cesc in both Mourinho and Conte sides though, so I'm hoping Pepenzo finally finds Enzo his best position and sticks him there and he'll shine as the quality is there and we've all seen it, albeit glimpses of it. 

5 hours ago, Brigadeiro Mk II said:

With Enzo, I see similarities with Fabregas early on his career, a talented player whose qualities could be used all around the midfield or, in Cesc's case, even playing as a false 9. Thus Fabregas played everywhere in the field, having mixed reactions, sometimes he was superb, others were just meh or playing second fiddle to Messi and Co.

I do think we were the ones who got the best out of Cesc in both Mourinho and Conte sides though, so I'm hoping Pepenzo finally finds Enzo his best position and sticks him there and he'll shine as the quality is there and we've all seen it, albeit glimpses of it. 

I've never liked the comparisons with Fabregas. At the age of 23, Fabregas was already one of the best passers of the ball the game had ever seen and had over 50 goals and 100 assists to his name.

They are very different players, Enzo will never be the player Fabregas was.

48 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I've never liked the comparisons with Fabregas. At the age of 23, Fabregas was already one of the best passers of the ball the game had ever seen and had over 50 goals and 100 assists to his name.

They are very different players, Enzo will never be the player Fabregas was.

Don't dispute that, especially the last sentence, but to be fair, Enzo's output on his first 60 or so pro games for River was signalling he could well have been on his way to emulate Fabregas in that regard had he not moved to Portugal and then to us in the PL. He did move, however, and is at absolutely his lowest with us for several reasons, injuries, adaptation, managerial chaos etc so now he's lagging waaaay behind Cesc.

Lots of different circumstances for both players to fairly compare them, but my point was that Cesc never really had his "position" settled and I see that similarity with Enzo being thrown around as a 6, 8, 10 with mixed results.

 

15 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

I think its OK to be excited about the potential of the young players we've signed.  Enjoy it - probably won't be the next Hazard, but its a fun strategy. 

It is fun when your young player play young player role. If they are good straight away 👍👍👍👍

If they are not ready, it doesn't matter. 

 

On 06/07/2024 at 21:56, Scott Harris said:

I've never liked the comparisons with Fabregas. At the age of 23, Fabregas was already one of the best passers of the ball the game had ever seen and had over 50 goals and 100 assists to his name.

They are very different players, Enzo will never be the player Fabregas was.

I don't think anyone is comparing them with talent, just playstyle. Both pretty immobile and their best attributes are seeing and finding a long ball from deep. 

43 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

I don't think anyone is comparing them with talent, just playstyle. Both pretty immobile and their best attributes are seeing and finding a long ball from deep. 

Fabregas only became immobile in his late 20s because his legs were gone by then. Can’t see the comparison personally, he played as a 6, 8, 10, 7, 11 & 9 and was very good in these roles.

5 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Fabregas only became immobile in his late 20s because his legs were gone by then. Can’t see the comparison personally, he played as a 6, 8, 10, 7, 11 & 9 and was very good in these roles.

Cesc has never been quick, similar to Enzo now how he moves around a pitch even back in his early Arsenal days. 

I still don't see the comparison. Their playstyles aren't really similar at all. Enzo doesn't hit the long ball all that often with us often, and even when he does, it's not the same type of long ball as what Fabregas would play. Fabregas long ball's were to create a chance on goal for the striker, Enzo's are to open up the pitch and give more space to play.

21 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I still don't see the comparison. Their playstyles aren't really similar at all. Enzo doesn't hit the long ball all that often with us often, and even when he does, it's not the same type of long ball as what Fabregas would play. Fabregas long ball's were to create a chance on goal for the striker, Enzo's are to open up the pitch and give more space to play.

that's because that clown we had as manager last season had him doing shuttle runs next to the striker 

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

that's because that clown we had as manager last season had him doing shuttle runs next to the striker 

You're crabby today.

On 07/07/2024 at 07:57, Brigadeiro Mk II said:

Don't dispute that, especially the last sentence, but to be fair, Enzo's output on his first 60 or so pro games for River was signalling he could well have been on his way to emulate Fabregas in that regard had he not moved to Portugal and then to us in the PL. He did move, however, and is at absolutely his lowest with us for several reasons, injuries, adaptation, managerial chaos etc so now he's lagging waaaay behind Cesc.

Lots of different circumstances for both players to fairly compare them, but my point was that Cesc never really had his "position" settled and I see that similarity with Enzo being thrown around as a 6, 8, 10 with mixed results.

 

Fabregas has always had a settled and defined role in every team he played for. When Arsenal were playing 4-4-2 he was the 8 and when they switched to 4-5-1 he was the 10; at Barcelona he was a false 9 and at Chelsea he was always a 6. In comparison, Fernandez' role has sometimes changed match to match, let alone coach to coach or season to season, and at a crucial stage of his career development.

18 hours ago, dermott said:

You're crabby today.

its the buildup to knowing im going to have to watch a southgate managed team for 120 minutes soon, puts me in a mood. 

19 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

its the buildup to knowing im going to have to watch a southgate managed team for 120 minutes soon, puts me in a mood. 

It`ll be different this time, has to be.....

 

 

 

 

 

It wont be.

 

For those wondering, he was deployed as the #6 for Argentina last night in the semi-final against and was very good. Whether its his own doing that wants to play further forward or the manager experimenting, its clear that not only Enzo benefits in this role but the entire team. 

2 hours ago, dkw said:

It`ll be different this time, has to be.....

 

 

 

 

 

It wont be.

 

We'll be 1-0 down until the 80th minute with zero shots on target when Southgate decides to make some subs and they save his arse again

Enzo just shared a video, to his personal Instagram, of his team mates singing a somewhat racist and homophobic chant about France (wtf) and Mbappe's transgender former partner.

A first big test of character for the new ownership. I sincerely hope he gets sacked. He deserves to be nowhere near this club or English football.

 

 

 

 

How thick do you have to be to film yourself singing a highly racist and homophobic song and then broadcast it to the world? Disgraceful stuff.