12 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Why would Mac Allister pick coming here over Liverpool?

I said in January if Enzo is smart, has patience and has a good agent he will tell him to stay at Benfica, win the double there, maybe even the CL, and have his pick of clubs. 

They were not smart nor had patience. They got no one to blame but themselves.

Because one bad (horrid to be fair) season does not take away from us being one of the best teams of this century. Because we are London based. Because we are Chelsea and we are not half as bad a Club as some in here want to portray.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Reported to be angry with his situation at the club.

He ain't the only one. I imagine a few of the players we signed this year will be looking at a way out.

16 minutes ago, RMH said:

Because one bad (horrid to be fair) season does not take away from us being one of the best teams of this century. Because we are London based. Because we are Chelsea and we are not half as bad a Club as some in here want to portray.

100%, this woe is me doom porn mentality some Chelsea fans have adopted is embarrassing 

6 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

100%, this woe is me doom porn mentality some Chelsea fans have adopted is embarrassing 

Sounds like you have a boner to pick with them. 

35 minutes ago, RMH said:

Because one bad (horrid to be fair) season does not take away from us being one of the best teams of this century. Because we are London based. Because we are Chelsea and we are not half as bad a Club as some in here want to portray.

It's pathetic on here lately, the self hatred is absolutely embarrassing.  

50 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Why would Mac Allister pick coming here over Liverpool?

For the same reason Nkunku is still coming. For the same reason we got Kante off the Champions when we last had a season similar to this.

One awful season doesn't make us an unattractive proposition no matter how many times you try to imply it.

19 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Sounds like you have a boner to pick with them. 

I've thought long and hard about it.

1 hour ago, RMH said:

Because one bad (horrid to be fair) season does not take away from us being one of the best teams of this century. Because we are London based. Because we are Chelsea and we are not half as bad a Club as some in here want to portray.

Under Roman sure. Had we had this season under Roman absolutely, we were a know quanity. Failure would not be accepted and would be corrected, as Roman did not stand for it.

We are now an unknown quantity, a different club imo.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

For the same reason Nkunku is still coming. For the same reason we got Kante off the Champions when we last had a season similar to this.

One awful season doesn't make us an unattractive proposition no matter how many times you try to imply it.

Nkunku signed up long before how bad things were shown to be, and Kante signed when Roman was the owner, and the year before under Roman we were Champions.

We know what Roman's Chelsea was all about, this Chelsea is an unknown but based off the one season we have had with them I am concerned.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

It's pathetic on here lately, the self hatred is absolutely embarrassing.  

Self hatred is a personal matter mate, not touching that. Hate our club? No absolutely not.

Concerned about how the club has been run and the direction we are going in absolutely. Some historically big clubs have had big collapses, Forrest being one who languished in nothingness for a long time and only just returned to the big time, and are over the moon to have just survived.

If I put myself in the place of a player who has the choice between a City/Liverpool or Chelsea, and setting aside my bias as I would still go to my club as it would be an honour to pull on the shirt and play at the Bridge, then I would bank on City or Pool as a more stable option, and more likely to help my career progress.

12 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Under Roman sure. Had we had this season under Roman absolutely, we were a know quanity. Failure would not be accepted and would be corrected, as Roman did not stand for it.

We are now an unknown quantity, a different club imo.

Nkunku signed up long before how bad things were shown to be, and Kante signed when Roman was the owner, and the year before under Roman we were Champions.

We know what Roman's Chelsea was all about, this Chelsea is an unknown but based off the one season we have had with them I am concerned.

Easy to say in hindsight, back then the general narrative was we were f**ked and the board (which meant Roman as nothing got past him but for some reason many were too scared to say it directly) were penny pinching and not backing their manager properly.

I wasn't here at the time but you only need to go on the Jose thread for the first 10-20 pages to see the general consensus was Jose was going to dominate at United and leave us for dust, Kante signed up for it.

As for Nkunku, the 'here we go' came in late December, where it was already highly likely we had no UCL football next season.

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

Easy to say in hindsight, back then the general narrative was we were f**ked and the board (which meant Roman as nothing got past him but for some reason many were too scared to say it directly) were penny pinching and not backing their manager properly.

I wasn't here at the time but you only need to go on the Jose thread for the first 10-20 pages to see the general consensus was Jose was going to dominate at United and leave us for dust, Kante signed up for it.

As for Nkunku, the 'here we go' came in late December, where it was already highly likely we had no UCL football next season.

True. On the one hand Nkunku has not even technically signed, on the other it was rumoured to be on the cards well before December.

I mean we have some of the best young talent on the planet, a really promising young defence and will likely have a potentially world class midfield that will last a decade in Enzo, Caicedo/Ugarte, Lavia, Santos and Casadei. All being managed by one of the best player developers in the planet. 
 

It really isn’t all doom and gloom. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I mean we have some of the best young talent on the planet, a really promising young defence and will likely have a potentially world class midfield that will last a decade in Enzo, Caicedo/Ugarte, Lavia, Santos and Casadei. All being managed by one of the best player developers in the planet. 
 

It really isn’t all doom and gloom. 

I really hope the owners butt out and leave Pochettino to his job and the sport directors to theirs. 

I really hope my fears and worries are looked back upon as foolish and with scorn. 

From the get go I have had a really bad feeling about these owners.

10 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Self hatred is a personal matter mate, not touching that. Hate our club? No absolutely not.

Concerned about how the club has been run and the direction we are going in absolutely. Some historically big clubs have had big collapses, Forrest being one who languished in nothingness for a long time and only just returned to the big time, and are over the moon to have just survived.

If I put myself in the place of a player who has the choice between a City/Liverpool or Chelsea, and setting aside my bias as I would still go to my club as it would be an honour to pull on the shirt and play at the Bridge, then I would bank on City or Pool as a more stable option, and more likely to help my career progress.

You need to get some perspective, its turned into a daily whining session from you, constantly throwing in random negative bollocks you find on social media, such as the "Enzo hates it here and wants to leave" stuff. You seem to think we are now some kind of pariah, no player or manager would touch us with a barge pole, when the truth is shown to be the exact opposite with all the signings we`ve made in the past few months. We are still one of the biggest clubs on the planet, we have chances and expectations of winning trophies every season, we pay huge wages, and as Sconnie put really well we have a young squad with huge potential, and the capability to add to it. 

59 minutes ago, dkw said:

You need to get some perspective, its turned into a daily whining session from you, constantly throwing in random negative bollocks you find on social media, such as the "Enzo hates it here and wants to leave" stuff. You seem to think we are now some kind of pariah, no player or manager would touch us with a barge pole, when the truth is shown to be the exact opposite with all the signings we`ve made in the past few months. We are still one of the biggest clubs on the planet, we have chances and expectations of winning trophies every season, we pay huge wages, and as Sconnie put really well we have a young squad with huge potential, and the capability to add to it. 

I completely agree. @axman2526need to relax 😀😀

Our situation is actually not as bad as most people think. If we can get a gk, a st and maybe a dm and we will back in the thick of things. (the 1st two are crucial though).

 

 

 

12 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Self hatred is a personal matter mate, not touching that. Hate our club? No absolutely not.

Concerned about how the club has been run and the direction we are going in absolutely. Some historically big clubs have had big collapses, Forrest being one who languished in nothingness for a long time and only just returned to the big time, and are over the moon to have just survived.

If I put myself in the place of a player who has the choice between a City/Liverpool or Chelsea, and setting aside my bias as I would still go to my club as it would be an honour to pull on the shirt and play at the Bridge, then I would bank on City or Pool as a more stable option, and more likely to help my career progress.

Being a big club in the 70's like Forest and dropping off is different from today. The big 6 is firmly established and theres too much money in the game since the introduction of the premier league for us to go find ourselves in league one or something similar. Worst case scenario is we finish outside of the CL places for a couple of years like Arsenal did. 

6 hours ago, dkw said:

You need to get some perspective, its turned into a daily whining session from you, constantly throwing in random negative bollocks you find on social media, such as the "Enzo hates it here and wants to leave" stuff. You seem to think we are now some kind of pariah, no player or manager would touch us with a barge pole, when the truth is shown to be the exact opposite with all the signings we`ve made in the past few months. We are still one of the biggest clubs on the planet, we have chances and expectations of winning trophies every season, we pay huge wages, and as Sconnie put really well we have a young squad with huge potential, and the capability to add to it. 

Fair enough mate, I respect your opinion. Hopefully yours, and several others faith that we will time again bares fruit.

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Fair enough mate, I respect your opinion. Hopefully yours, and several others faith that we will time again bares fruit.

It is not about faith, it is about keeping it rational. Have the new owners failed at some things. Sure. Have they got it right in others? Of course, we’ve got a footballing structure that we were crying for under Roman, we’ve had some very decent to very good winter window (better than a lot of the signings under the last few years of Roman), they have identified some medical issues and are trying to correct it even if they’ve failed so far, they are learning the trade and appear to be progressing. It’s about rational discussion not getting in the worse option and bashing the owners for things that have not even happened yet.  

Sometime it’s good to take a break from all things Chelsea. I have blocked most things Chelsea for a while now especially social media.

6 minutes ago, RMH said:

It is not about faith, it is about keeping it rational. Have the new owners failed at some things. Sure. Have they got it right in others? Of course, we’ve got a footballing structure that we were crying for under Roman, we’ve had some very decent to very good winter window (better than a lot of the signings under the last few years of Roman), they have identified some medical issues and are trying to correct it even if they’ve failed so far, they are learning the trade and appear to be progressing. It’s about rational discussion not getting in the worse option and bashing the owners for things that have not even happened yet.  

Always good to hear from you RMH, however I had a bad feeling about these owners from before they bought the club and my mistrust has only deepened over the course of thus season.

I will admit it is not completely rational, just how I feel about them.

Shame this man doesn't speak English. I would give him captaincy right away if he did.

I feel for him. He wanted to come to Chelsea. The man showed intent in wanting to come. Poor guy probably didn't expect this situation when he came. If we are getting Pochettino, it will be good to have a fellow Argentinian coaching him. 

Just now, enigma said:

I feel for him. He wanted to come to Chelsea. The man showed intent in wanting to come. Poor guy probably didn't expect this situation when he came. If we are getting Pochettino, it will be good to have a fellow Argentinian coaching him. 

He knew the season he was walking into.

It's a shame he didn't wait until the summer now and not just from his perspective. The double arrival of him and Nkunku would have been a real lease of life that in itself could have given us momentum at the start of next season.

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

He knew the season he was walking into.

It's a shame he didn't wait until the summer now and not just from his perspective. The double arrival of him and Nkunku would have been a real lease of life that in itself could have given us momentum at the start of next season.

Not really. He came when we still had a chance of achieving top four. The season just imploded even more since Jan window. 

4 minutes ago, enigma said:

Not really. He came when we still had a chance of achieving top four. The season just imploded even more since Jan window. 

It was an outside chance and he'd have been well aware of that.

We'd have had to have hit form not seen since 2021 to have had a shot post Enzo's arrival.