26 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Life doesn't happen on Twitter. Cucurella's literally been booed off the pitch both home and away this season so let's not pretend he's had some free ride.

The whole point is about the vocal minority on social media that seem to represent Chelsea in front of most other fan bases. Cucurella has been our worst signing since Bakayoko, wrong to boo him but should be out the door long before Chilwell.

14 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The whole point is about the vocal minority on social media that seem to represent Chelsea in front of most other fan bases. Cucurella has been our worst signing since Bakayoko, wrong to boo him but should be out the door long before Chilwell.

I haven't used Twitter a whole lot but my experience is that those who are there belong to a quite isolated group of fans. Mostly young people and mostly people who want to come up with the most outrageous takes so they can get attention so I would not say they are representative of us at all.

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

I haven't used Twitter a whole lot but my experience is that those who are there belong to a quite isolated group of fans. Mostly young people and mostly people who want to come up with the most outrageous takes so they can get attention so I would not say they are representative of us at all.

agreed completely, sadly these are the embarrassing individuals that are the most vocal and end up being what the majority of rivals see from Chelsea.

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Seen plenty of people slating James this season too tbf saying he's lazy.

From what i see people widely want Felix who has underformed massively this season and are desperate to sell Mount to fund the deal even though he's carried us for 2 seasons. 

People praise Fofana every game while constantly slating Chalobah, when i'd argue he's been better over the season. 

They want RLC shipped out even though most clubs would be lucky to have such a versatile player that won't kick up a fuss on the bench. 

Cried out for Tammy to be shipped out and got their wish, which in hindsight was poor thinking. 

Chilwell gets absolute dogs abuse on twitter, while Cucurella somehow get a free ride. 

The only players i see getting a free pass is Colwill and Maatsen currently and that's because they're with different teams. I'll put money they'll get the same treatment if they get game time next year.

FYI this is mainly seen elsewhere online, this forum isn't too bad for it. 

EDIT: Oh yeah, Gallagher constantly being referred to as a dog too and constant moans under match day squads when he's chosen. 

I agree English players get more abuse on Twitter, I've seen the disgusting abuse the likes of Mount get on there and I'm not surprised he's come off from there. Twitter is just full of trolls with football player avatars that call any player a fraud or sp*stic. Gary Cahill used to get it quite badly also.

But Reece does deserve some criticism, he's been poor this season, he shouldn't get a pass for it. And I think Fofana is levels ahead of Chalobah personally, I don't see the issue as to why people rate him more. RLC is a versatile player but he could do with moving on also, I wouldn't mind us selling him. Abraham as much as I would like him here this season I still think we can do better than him. 

I've definitely not seen Cucurella get a free ride, Chilwell is far more rated by fans even on Twitter. I know this because I've got plenty of disagreements for my views on Cucurella and all I've said is he can become a better player next season. 

It's not as one-sided as all that, and I wouldn't put too much stock into a sh*thole like Twitter either where fans often abuse their own players and rivals. 

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The whole point is about the vocal minority on social media that seem to represent Chelsea in front of most other fan bases. Cucurella has been our worst signing since Bakayoko, wrong to boo him but should be out the door long before Chilwell.

Don't you think you are rather contributing to the "vocal minority" with a sweeping statement like "Cucurella has been our worst signing since Bakayoko ... " ?

He hasn't been anywhere near what he was last season at Brighton, but he is a long long way from being our worst signing since Bakayoko. 

He's got the 13th highest rating on Whoscored out of our huge squad just for starters ... which is better than Chilwell, Hall, Chalobah, Sterling, Gallagher, RLC, Kovacic, Azpi, Mudryk, D.Fofana ... etc etc 

And if I look at that other source of ratings you highlighted recently in the discussion about Declan Rice (Fotmob), he's actually #3 out of our entire squad on that ... interestingly just behind another soft target for the boo boys, Koulibaly, who is #2 (Silva is #1)

https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/players/rating/team/8455/Chelsea 

It's the price tag. I think Cucurella has valuable traits and I expect him to have a far better season. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Cucurella sees more game time than Chilwell when both fit. 

 

46 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Don't you think you are rather contributing to the "vocal minority" with a sweeping statement like "Cucurella has been our worst signing since Bakayoko ... " ?

He hasn't been anywhere near what he was last season at Brighton, but he is a long long way from being our worst signing since Bakayoko. 

He's got the 13th highest rating on Whoscored out of our huge squad just for starters ... which is better than Chilwell, Hall, Chalobah, Sterling, Gallagher, RLC, Kovacic, Azpi, Mudryk, D.Fofana ... etc etc 

And if I look at that other source of ratings you highlighted recently in the discussion about Declan Rice (Fotmob), he's actually #3 out of our entire squad on that ... interestingly just behind another soft target for the boo boys, Koulibaly, who is #2 (Silva is #1)

https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/players/rating/team/8455/Chelsea 

As for value for money he's been our worst signing since Bakayoko. We signed a £15m player for £60m when we had a world class player in that position and downgraded from Alonso at backup.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

As for value for money he's been our worst signing since Bakayoko. We signed a £15m player for £60m when we had a world class player in that position and downgraded from Alonso at backup.

The "£15m player" rates as the 3rd best in the squad though ... what do you think about that ? He's way higher than the "world class" Chilwell LOL

How can that possibly equate to worst "signing since Bakayoko" ?

 

Chilwell is a world class wing back due to his attacking traits. As a fullback in a regular back 4 I still think Cucurella is better in the first phase of the build up. Not to say Chilwell can improve here but if Pochettino were to come and implement his system I wouldn't be surprised to see Cucurella more. 

Still would want Colwill over both and revert to a back 3 on the ball. 

 

12 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

The "£15m player" rates as the 3rd best in the squad though ... what do you think about that ? He's way higher than the "world class" Chilwell LOL

How can that possibly equate to worst "signing since Bakayoko" ?

 

3rd best? Who is rating him that high? This is why these things are stupid, especially when somebody like Chilwell is getting pulled into it. These ratings don't take into account the fact that Chilwell started the season slowly being integrated back into the first team after a serious injury, only to then get another serious injury soon after which meant he needed to be slowly brought back in all over again. Once he got fit though, he peformed way higher and more consistently than Cucurella has performed at any point this season.

When I take into consideration the amount of time Cucurella has had on the pitch, I can only name two players that have performed as bad as he has this season and that is Koulibaly and Kovacic. Sterling can be considered too, but his good start was arguably better than anything we have seen of Cucurella. Ziyech, Pulisic and Aubameyang are 3 names people will bring up, but none of them even have 1000 minutes compared to Cucurella who has over 2000.

I'm not giving up on him yet, but if anybody actually thinks he has been our 3rd best player this season, then they are talking nonsense, even in a season where almost everybody has looked terrible.

I think the comparisons with the passing range of Fabregas are very premature. Fabregas is one of the best passers of the ball I have ever seen, possibly the best to ever do it at this club, Enzo is nowhere near that level. Fabregas was playing passes through the eye of a needle at his age with ease. We get it once every now and then with Enzo, and of late, we aren't getting it at all.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

3rd best? Who is rating him that high? This is why these things are stupid, especially when somebody like Chilwell is getting pulled into it. These ratings don't take into account the fact that Chilwell started the season slowly being integrated back into the first team after a serious injury, only to then get another serious injury soon after which meant he needed to be slowly brought back in all over again. Once he got fit though, he performed way higher and more consistently than Cucurella has performed at any point this season.

When I take into consideration the amount of time Cucurella has had on the pitch, I can only name two players that have performed as bad as he has this season and that is Koulibaly and Kovacic. Sterling can be considered too, but his good start was arguably better than anything we have seen of Cucurella. Ziyech, Pulisic and Aubameyang are 3 names people will bring up, but none of them even have 1000 minutes compared to Cucurella who has over 2000.

I'm not giving up on him yet, but if anybody actually thinks he has been our 3rd best player this season, then they are talking nonsense, even in a season where almost everybody has looked terrible.

I don't think he's 3rd best either, but that fotmob site does, and it was their data that was being used to portray Declan Rice as "elite" on the Rice thread the other day as well 🙂 

They also have Koulibaly as #2, which I'm sure confuses a lot of people LOL, albeit they do have Silva as #1, which seems fair enough on the simple eye test.

I find Whoscored probably the best for ratings, but like any "statistics", context is important, and all of them are at best only "indicators" anyway, not gospel. The BBC is the absolute worst for ratings. That is basically a fan opinion poll, and has no statistical basis or merit whatsoever. I've gone on there and given all the Arsenal players a default "1" more than a few times LOL.

Hard to draw any conclusions on any Chelsea player on the basis of this season's team performances mind you. 

 

15 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Chilwell is a world class wing back due to his attacking traits. As a fullback in a regular back 4 I still think Cucurella is better in the first phase of the build up. Not to say Chilwell can improve here but if Pochettino were to come and implement his system I wouldn't be surprised to see Cucurella more. 

Still would want Colwill over both and revert to a back 3 on the ball. 

 

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Ashley Cole was world Class...

Ivanovic do do da da duh.. was a beast at right back... Id say world class

Both better than Cucurella and James. James has all the ability to become a modern Cafu, he is that good, but has got to learn to stay fit and more in control of his body... But if I had the choice of previous full backs I'd have those two over our current pair. 

On 11/05/2023 at 16:06, Sconnie Blue said:

Chilwell is a world class wing back due to his attacking traits. As a fullback in a regular back 4 I still think Cucurella is better in the first phase of the build up. Not to say Chilwell can improve here but if Pochettino were to come and implement his system I wouldn't be surprised to see Cucurella more. 

Still would want Colwill over both and revert to a back 3 on the ball. 

 

 

So apparently this it not "Enzo Fernandez" thread anymore...

On 12/05/2023 at 05:53, Scott Harris said:

I think the comparisons with the passing range of Fabregas are very premature. Fabregas is one of the best passers of the ball I have ever seen, possibly the best to ever do it at this club, Enzo is nowhere near that level. Fabregas was playing passes through the eye of a needle at his age with ease. We get it once every now and then with Enzo, and of late, we aren't getting it at all.

Enzo's switch of play is elite though. I think it's already better than Cesc's. Where Cesc is definetely ahead though is line breaking through balls. He was amazing and spotting and then executing those. 

Really good at pointing at the runners he's supposed to track himself.

3 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Really good at pointing at the runners he's supposed to track himself.

Everybody is so lazy in this team

"you go track him" 

"no, you go track him"

Then you have Gallagher running around like a headless chicken and Loftus-Cheek wearing an invisibility cloak. Absolute jokers this lot. Zero chemistry, zero responsibility, horrible team.

23 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Everybody is so lazy in this team

"you go track him" 

"no, you go track him"

Then you have Gallagher running around like a headless chicken and Loftus-Cheek wearing an invisibility cloak. Absolute jokers this lot. Zero chemistry, zero responsibility, horrible team.

Don't bother mate, this guy is always so obsessed with trashing Enzo that he can't see the whole picture

14 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Really good at pointing at the runners he's supposed to track himself.

Picked up right where Jorginho left off for a game.

10 hours ago, Upb78 said:

Don't bother mate, this guy is always so obsessed with trashing Enzo that he can't see the whole picture

Nah.

But if you are happy with that kind of effort from the worlds most expensive midfielder then be my guest. Him & Sterling in particular were disgraces yesterday despite Enzo's qualities when he's got the ball at his feet.

 

Reported to be angry with his situation at the club.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Reported to be angry with his situation at the club.

I don't blame him, since day 1 he has been working like a mule and it didn't matter cause we got no team.

Also I bet he heard that Liverpool is close to signing MacAllister and he's thinking why are we not doing this move, Kante can't play a full season anymore it's obvious to everyone...

3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I don't blame him, since day 1 he has been working like a mule and it didn't matter cause we got no team.

Also I bet he heard that Liverpool is close to signing MacAllister and he's thinking why are we not doing this move, Kante can't play a full season anymore it's obvious to everyone...

Why would Mac Allister pick coming here over Liverpool?

I said in January if Enzo is smart, has patience and has a good agent he will tell him to stay at Benfica, win the double there, maybe even the CL, and have his pick of clubs. 

They were not smart nor had patience. They got no one to blame but themselves.

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Why would Mac Allister pick coming here over Liverpool?

I said in January if Enzo is smart, has patience and has a good agent he will tell him to stay at Benfica, win the double there, maybe even the CL, and have his pick of clubs. 

They were not smart nor had patience. They got no one to blame but themselves.

Maybe if the club was smart, they would put all of their cards on the table... Enzo and Pochettino are also from Argentina, he would have friends at the club and possibly even higher wages than if he were to join Liverpool.

No matter what you think now, Enzo did join a top club and he did put in a decent shift since day 1.