2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Never understood this Chalobah as a DM argument. 
 

The tactical discipline, technical ability  and awareness needs to be at a top level to play in this role. Chalobah playing DM at a bottom half club in France doesn’t justify him being good enough to play. Completely different ball game being a successful DM in the Prem, let alone at a top club.

Would not know until he had a run of games there. Is worth trying imo, Trev is the type of personality we need in the team.

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Would not know until he had a run of games there. Is worth trying imo, Trev is the type of personality we need in the team.

I think it’s telling that three managers not once contemplated it. 

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I think it’s telling that three managers not once contemplated it. 

Could have helped 2 of them. We will never know now.

22 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I think it’s telling that three managers not once contemplated it. 

They were busy getting everyone to try out at RWB though. 

11 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I think it’s telling that three managers not once contemplated it. 

and all of those managers have been sacked tbf

There are some proper weirdos out there..

 

8 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

and all of those managers have been sacked tbf

I think Chalobah at DM would be equivalent to the Zouma at DM experiment under Mourinho. 

This guy, along with the alleged great leader Thiago Silva, really gets away with doing absolutely nothing useful in four out of five games. As if pretending and using your will power to perceive him as great actually would change the reality of him performing as a very, very meh footballer.

He has some skill and some vision, and we all know that sometimes it can take 18 months or so for young players to adapt to a new league, so I wouldn't rule out that he'll be good for you eventually.

However, spending that money on him rather than say Moises Caicedo looks like another piece of mad business. Really feels like the Kleberson scenario where someone has a good World Cup and you buy the player just because of that.

We should have spent the money on a ST. Enzo is good, but we should have focused on bringing in a goalscorer. Enzo is the epitome of luxury, expensive luxury. We should have focused on bringing in a CM of his mould after Fabregas left, not only in summer. 

2 minutes ago, enigma said:

We should have spent the money on a ST. Enzo is good, but we should have focused on bringing in a goalscorer. Enzo is the epitome of luxury, expensive luxury. We should have focused on bringing in a CM of his mould after Fabregas left, not only in summer. 

Lampard managing Enzo is the equivalent of a man driving a Turbo Porsche but not knowing how to drive manual. Imagine had SAF instructed Scholes to do Carrick's role. That is what we are seeing right now. 

The ST position is a delicate one. We of all fans should know that. Bar the fact there was no Top ST available in January, we don't have a system or structure in place. Much like the manager, we can't get this signing wrong. Our history has been cruel to us in that matter. 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Lampard managing Enzo is the equivalent of a man driving a Turbo Porsche but not knowing how to drive manual. Imagine had SAF instructed Scholes to do Carrick's role. That is what we are seeing right now. 

The ST position is a delicate one. We of all fans should know that. Bar the fact there was no Top ST available in January, we don't have a system or structure in place. Much like the manager, we can't get this signing wrong. Our history has been cruel to us in that matter. 

We were linked to strikers, even Vlahovic. I think it would have made sense. Letting Giroud go was a mistake. Even if he was to have got us 10 goals this season it would have been better than zilch and having Auba or Fofana. 

I don't see the hype, but the whole team is sh*t right now. It's completely fair to judge players professionalism, right now, but all else is null and void.

At this point in the rut, I'm solely looking at effort and energy...of which there appears to be nearly none. 

7 minutes ago, enigma said:

We were linked to strikers, even Vlahovic. I think it would have made sense. Letting Giroud go was a mistake. Even if he was to have got us 10 goals this season it would have been better than zilch and having Auba or Fofana. 

I agree which is why our issues as a club pre-dates Boehly. 

We currently don't have the midfield to cater any ST. Nor do we have any structure in how we want to play. 

Enzo playing as a DM in this sh*tty team with a sh*tty coach is adding insult to injury, he cannot play in that position anymore.

I think Enzo is going through a rough patch, the same as most of the team, but his price is never going to be justified unless he's adding double figure assists and goals every season for the next 5/6 seasons which is unlikely. 

When we get a proper manager he will prove his worth.

 

1 hour ago, enigma said:

I think Enzo is going through a rough patch, the same as most of the team, but his price is never going to be justified unless he's adding double figure assists and goals every season for the next 5/6 seasons which is unlikely. 

Playing as DM in this team? Keep dreaming

I am left wondering if he is one of the players the Atletic "insiders" said regret signing up with us.

2 hours ago, enigma said:

We were linked to strikers, even Vlahovic. I think it would have made sense. Letting Giroud go was a mistake. Even if he was to have got us 10 goals this season it would have been better than zilch and having Auba or Fofana. 

Giroud only managed to hit 11 Serie A goals last season & hasn’t hit 10 this season. Fans keep forgetting his legs were gone and he struggled with the pace of the league. Aubameyang as crap as he has been is a much better player presently, but his legs are gone also. 

 

3 hours ago, enigma said:

We should have spent the money on a ST. Enzo is good, but we should have focused on bringing in a goalscorer. Enzo is the epitome of luxury, expensive luxury. We should have focused on bringing in a CM of his mould after Fabregas left, not only in summer. 

We would never have been option in the summer, it was a once in a lifetime deal. Players with his profile don’t come around often;  if you ask most opposition fans which 1 player in our team they would like on their team, 9 out of 10 would go for Enzo. He is currently been used as a “6” when ideally he should be playing as a LCM, it’s like buying a Ferrari & using it off road. 

15 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I am left wondering if he is one of the players the Atletic "insiders" said regret signing up with us.

Almost certainly. He's a world-cup winners with the world at his feet, and he's now going on 7 game losing runs and not even finishing top half of the league. Him and Mudryk I suspect would very much like to undo their decisions.

2 hours ago, Zeta said:

Almost certainly. He's a world-cup winners with the world at his feet, and he's now going on 7 game losing runs and not even finishing top half of the league. Him and Mudryk I suspect would very much like to undo their decisions.

There is always transfer requests.

14 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 Imagine had SAF instructed Scholes to do Carrick's role. That is what we are seeing right now. 

Weird comparison - who do you think did "Carrick's role" before Michael Carrick?

Fernandes is a good player but he is not immune to criticism. He needs to do a lot more defensive work, whether he is playing as a DM or not. Modern midfield legends like Modric, Kroos, Xavi, Iniesta never shied away from the tackle or getting their pressing hands dirty. Enzo was such a talent in the World Cup because he provided graft as well as class, and if he loses the former he will  never be the player he can be.

 

 

14 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Weird comparison - who do you think did "Carrick's role" before Michael Carrick?

Fernandes is a good player but he is not immune to criticism. He needs to do a lot more defensive work, whether he is playing as a DM or not. Modern midfield legends like Modric, Kroos, Xavi, Iniesta never shied away from the tackle or getting their pressing hands dirty. Enzo was such a talent in the World Cup because he provided graft as well as class, and if he loses the former he will  never be the player he can be.

 

 

I think sconnie standard for wc modern midfielder is J5 

On 24/04/2023 at 21:14, Term_X said:

There are some proper weirdos out there..

 

Wondering what these "features" are supposed to be? I am questioning myself now. Am I missing something?