Will get his first point this weekend, I mean something has to give sooner or later. He's been handed the worst deck of cards any interim could get, he made his fair share of wrong team selections, but really hard to blame him. Unlucky Ole who had get of jail of cards in better strikers and GK, Lampard got no change from this team. He may have to play this weekend if we are to score more than 1 goal.

Emanuel Petit: “I was very close to the Chelsea bench. I have seen some players having arguments between them. I was very shocked in the first half. The attitude of the players. The body language. No response. No pride. No unity. No friendship.

“You can put 20 managers on the bench, it won’t change anything, at all, at the moment. I think they need to clear something in the dressing room first. Then to think about the manager, afterwards. There are too many players. It’s a mess. It was embarrassing to watch – I feel sorry for the fans.”

This season is also teaching us how hard it is to win in this league. Even if we have some best talent in our squad but we are not right we will lose every game. We have clear gaps in the squad but apart from that a very good squad. We could be challenging for CL places and Cup victories with the squad when circumstances are right. 

We lack of an able manager but most of all the club is not in a good place.

Frank is taking a massive bullet here that will absolutely stain his managerial career.

15 minutes ago, evissy said:

 

Frank is taking a massive bullet here that will absolutely stain his managerial career.

It is bizzare that a lot of people don't see it that way. 

 

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Emanuel Petit: “I was very close to the Chelsea bench. I have seen some players having arguments between them. I was very shocked in the first half. The attitude of the players. The body language. No response. No pride. No unity. No friendship.

“You can put 20 managers on the bench, it won’t change anything, at all, at the moment. I think they need to clear something in the dressing room first. Then to think about the manager, afterwards. There are too many players. It’s a mess. It was embarrassing to watch – I feel sorry for the fans.”

This says it all and shows where we are as a club at present. Nobody is taking responsibility for their own performance, happy to see others take the flak. There is joint responsibility for our predicament, unless things change rapid this could be the start of a massive decline. The new coach needs announcing promptly.

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Emanuel Petit: “I was very close to the Chelsea bench. I have seen some players having arguments between them. I was very shocked in the first half. The attitude of the players. The body language. No response. No pride. No unity. No friendship.

“You can put 20 managers on the bench, it won’t change anything, at all, at the moment. I think they need to clear something in the dressing room first. Then to think about the manager, afterwards. There are too many players. It’s a mess. It was embarrassing to watch – I feel sorry for the fans.”

But we cloud see this happening, way too many players then you sell one of the most liked players in Jorginho FFS and that just made it 10x worst.

2 minutes ago, charierre said:

This says it all and shows where we are as a club at present. Nobody is taking responsibility for their own performance, happy to see others take the flak. There is joint responsibility for our predicament, unless things change rapid this could be the start of a massive decline. The new coach needs announcing promptly.

This is why i wanted a new coach in now to make it clear the dressing room and start to work with who he wants to keep, pointless waiting until the end of the season. 

However still all started with the clowns who own the club now. You do not get rid of everyone running the business straight away that's just plain stupid and dumb. Especially a complex business like a football club where relationships are important 

now it all makes sense finally

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Frank is taking a massive bullet here that will absolutely stain his managerial career.

Hiding to nothing but was his best play in a way. No pun intended. 

His career (managerial) has not been particularly glowing. 

This job was going to be either a "shot in the arm" or "nail to the coffin" for a career and reputation that was fast going downhill. 

 

47 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

It is bizzare that a lot of people don't see it that way. 

 

On the contrary, it is the reason why pretty much the whoel fanbase did not want him to come back in. It is a complete mess at the moment here and he is not equiped with the tools. He was unable to deal with teh role before when the team was more settled, albeit imposed upon us by the embargo

59 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

It is bizzare that a lot of people don't see it that way. 

 

No one's saying there isn't issues that go beyond Frank but he's made the situation worse. Both can be true.

Potter for all his flaws conceded 20 league goals, Lampard is nearly half way there already.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

On the contrary, it is the reason why pretty much the whoel fanbase did not want him to come back in. It is a complete mess at the moment here and he is not equiped with the tools. He was unable to deal with teh role before when the team was more settled, albeit imposed upon us by the embargo

The problem is the fanbase want a manager who will come in and just turn the team around instead thinking who want to deal with this mess. 

Why any top manager want to coach us right now? It is suicide. 

The players are on Ibiza mode. You have no time to do anything and lamp has been complaining about player physical conditioning which mean you can't play the way you want and the player you want. 

 

5 hours ago, enigma said:

 

I get the impression that this lot are feeling sorry for themselves. Never seen a group of players as weak as our current lot.

The coach is always to blame, but it's the players too. I'm fed up of hearing that Tuchel is to blame, Potter is to blame, Lampard is to blame. When will the players be to blame? When will they put in performances for the fans paying their hand earned money every week to go watch them play? Even the relegation fodder with championship level managers are putting in performances to get results.

David Moyes has WH getting results and putting in effort, the same for Notts Forest manager, the same for Southampton's manager etc. Lampard isn't THAT bad. It's about time the players stop getting moddy coddled and accept they aren't doing enough. How do West Ham and Southampton go against Arsenal and do better than us? We just accepted that first goal from Arsenal and didn't even bother to chase a goal, we just accepted it and hoped for the best in attack. 

Edited May 3, 20233 yr by enigma

11 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

The problem is the fanbase want a manager who will come in and just turn the team around instead thinking who want to deal with this mess. 

Why any top manager want to coach us right now? It is suicide. 

The players are on Ibiza mode. You have no time to do anything and lamp has been complaining about player physical conditioning which mean you can't play the way you want and the player you want. 

 

I don't expect us to turn into world beaters next season let alone now, I do however expect the basic tactical fundamentals we saw as recently as Bruno's match vs Liverpool and i don't think that's too much to ask personally.

1 hour ago, azpi28 said:

now it all makes sense finally

It seems on trend to blame Lampard for everything wrong with Everton and Chelsea at the moment. I refuse to believe he's that much of a problem when Everton had Lampard and Jody Morris at Everton. Jody has coached the Chelsea youth to success, he knows tactics. Lampard is neither a good or bad coach, just in between. It's weird how much of an agenda people have against Lampard at the moment. The same happened with Gerrard. Coaching is bloody tough job. I remember people sh*tting on Sarri before he took over at Chelsea that he was too old and won nothing. 

9 minutes ago, enigma said:

The coach is always to blame, but it's the players too. I'm fed up of hearing that Tuchel is to blame, Potter is to blame, Lampard is to blame. When will the players be to blame? When will they put in performances for the fans paying their hand earned money every week to go watch them play? Even the relegation fodder with championship level managers are putting in performances to get results. David Moyes has WH getting results and putting in effort, the same for Notts Forest manager, the same for Southampton's manager etc. Lampard isn't THAT bad. It's about time the players stop getting moddy coddled and accept they aren't doing enough. 

When it comes to apportioning blame, you’re missing a ( imo THE) key culprit. I don’t think anyone is saying the players don’t share the blame. But I don’t think there’s another group of other players that would have acted differently/better. It’s hard for any players to perform to the required level given the absolute shxtshow that’s been created. What was interesting to me watching many of our games - and it really hit home last night - was just how conspicuous a solid structure with quality coaching is by its absence. There’s just zero understanding between the players. What the hell do they do in training? What are the drills if any?

Edited May 3, 20233 yr by Dean

As an addendum, this is MILES worse than it was under Potter - it’s the blunder doom loop where you can’t correct an error without making another (possibly bigger and in this case much bigger) error. 

Edited May 3, 20233 yr by Dean

2 minutes ago, Dean said:

When it comes to apportioning blame, you’re missing a ( imo THE) key culprit. I don’t think anyone is saying the players don’t share the blame. But I don’t think there’s another group of other players that would have acted differently/better. It’s hard for any players to perform to the required level given the absolute shxtshow that’s been created. What was interesting to me watching many of our games - and it really hit home last night - was just how important a solid structure with quality coaching is. There’s just zero understanding between the players. What the hell do they do in training? What are the drills if any?

The problem is also when we signed Potter and Potter tried to build something, we were having constant injuries. People scoffed at that as some excuse, but it was a massive excuse. You can't keep losing key players of the consistency we did and be settled when it comes to tactics. All the teams performing well this season have had some form of consistency with their first team. Look at Kante, he's been one of our better players since returning from injury and the guy barely played mins under Potter because he was out. James constantly out, same for Chilwell, same for other players too. That's why I felt that Potter's time here was unfairly judged and calling for his sacking was harsh. I would have preferred him to have stayed until after the RM tie to see how things went given he helped us qualify for the 1/4 finals, but he never got that chance. 

4 minutes ago, enigma said:

It seems on trend to blame Lampard for everything wrong with Everton and Chelsea at the moment. I refuse to believe he's that much of a problem when Everton had Lampard and Jody Morris at Everton. Jody has coached the Chelsea youth to success, he knows tactics. Lampard is neither a good or bad coach, just in between. It's weird how much of an agenda people have against Lampard at the moment. The same happened with Gerrard. Coaching is bloody tough job. I remember people sh*tting on Sarri before he took over at Chelsea that he was too old and won nothing. 

He's not responsible for everything wrong with the club, but he's responsible for how tactically bankrupt we look on the pitch.

If we were by in large performing like we were in Bruno's match or even Potter's last couple of months (ie at the very least performing basic tactical fundamentals) I wouldn't even look in Frank's direction, but we look everybit as undercoached as we do when he left us last time.

Just a reminder that Southampton drew 3-3 with Arsenal, the worst team in the league apparently. 

There's no excuse whatsoever for why this team is performing the way it is. 

19 minutes ago, enigma said:

It seems on trend to blame Lampard for everything wrong with Everton and Chelsea at the moment. I refuse to believe he's that much of a problem when Everton had Lampard and Jody Morris at Everton. Jody has coached the Chelsea youth to success, he knows tactics. Lampard is neither a good or bad coach, just in between. It's weird how much of an agenda people have against Lampard at the moment. The same happened with Gerrard. Coaching is bloody tough job. I remember people sh*tting on Sarri before he took over at Chelsea that he was too old and won nothing. 

i'm not having an agenda agents Lampard

just thought this was funny!

17 minutes ago, Dean said:

When it comes to apportioning blame, you’re missing a ( imo THE) key culprit. I don’t think anyone is saying the players don’t share the blame. But I don’t think there’s another group of other players that would have acted differently/better. It’s hard for any players to perform to the required level given the absolute shxtshow that’s been created. What was interesting to me watching many of our games - and it really hit home last night - was just how conspicuous a solid structure with quality coaching is by its absence. There’s just zero understanding between the players. What the hell do they do in training? What are the drills if any?

Only 3 of last nights team started Lampard's last league match in his last spell yet the pattern (or shall i say lack of) was almost fritghently identical.

What's the most likely main culprit the manager or almost a totally different set of players? 

I have to admit I am struggling with this "wait it out". I just kind of want Pochettino to come in now, but then I remind myself it's not a good idea. 

But Lampard's setup is f**king diabolic. I just want this season to end, but it's awful, piss poor even having to watch this Chelsea side right now. 

He's a dreadful manager, to think there were absolute riots going on with so many Chelsea fans on here when he got the sack. He won't get a Premier League job ever again. 

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

Only 3 of last nights team started Lampard's last league match in his last spell yet the pattern (or shall i say lack of) was almost fritghently identical.

What's the most likely main culprit the manager or almost a totally different set of players? 

Argo. Not quite sure if you’re agreeing with me and asking a rhetorical q or not :). Anyway to clear up any misunderstanding if there is any, hierarchy of blame the way I see it is something like: 

- 70% the owners (what I meant by THE main culprit). No explanation required.

- 20% Lampard: this number/share would be much much higher (at the expense of owner share oh blame) were it not for the fact they hired him despite it having already been proven beyond all reasonable doubt that he can’t coach to save his life.

- 10% players: I don’t think any of them WANT to play like this, or are downing their tools (or whatever phrase people like to use), as it really isn’t in their interests even if they do want out.