48 minutes ago, dkw said:

Oh I dont know, maybe by adjusting the style and tactics to suit the squad available so he doesnt knacker them out, you know, like any good manager would. Rather than just doing the same high pressing, high energy thing with the majority of same players and expecting it to be ok. This isnt rocket science, this is a common sense approach used by managers since football began.

Simplistic way of thinking. Klopp has played every single game since taking over 2015 with 100% full out pressing with high energy football without fail. He is considered one of the all time best managers ever to coach in the Prem.

Something I realised now is whatever team or tactics Poch puts out he will get criticism for it. He will never ever please some fans.

We played Tuesday, then Friday with half our team injured and that’s not an exaggeration a player got injured in warmup. We had multiple chances to win the game and didn’t, the team was setup exactly how you should but wasn’t clinical enough.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Oh I dont know, maybe by adjusting the style and tactics to suit the squad available so he doesnt knacker them out, you know, like any good manager would. Rather than just doing the same high pressing, high energy thing with the majority of same players and expecting it to be ok. This isnt rocket science, this is a common sense approach used by managers since football began.

You can't change your play style drastically game to game. It will confuse your player especially if you have 3 days training time between games. 

 

If you want to criticize poch, maybe criticize his training method. For some reason we cannot get our injured player back, you see them for 1/2 games and then they are out for 2 months 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

20 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

You can't change your play style drastically game to game. It will confuse your player especially if you have 3 days training time between games. 

 

Well yes you can, thats literally his job.

52 minutes ago, evissy said:

Simplistic way of thinking. Klopp has played every single game since taking over 2015 with 100% full out pressing with high energy football without fail. He is considered one of the all time best managers ever to coach in the Prem.

Oh well then, if Klopp has done it then we all should....

 

And its hardly simplistic, its literally what hes paid to do, manage the squad. 

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Maybe just maybe, having a game just 3 days ago is the problem here 

Not the first time this has happened though is it? It happens nearly every game.

I don’t see a problem with the way that Pochettino is setting the team to play, it’s making progress and yesterday we were unlucky not to go 2-0 up at half time. For me the problem is the bench, we haven’t got much quality to make the subs and keep on top of the other team. Last night showed it clearly, when Madueke’s batteries ran out the sub was Mudryck, who is a step down and doesn’t understand much the game. Once all injured players return, we should be able to keep the pressing game for 90 minutes.

28 minutes ago, dkw said:

Ron xfl yes you can, thats literally his job.

Oh well then, if Klopp has done it then we all should....

 

And its hardly simplistic, its literally what hes paid to do, manage the squad. 

Let's say poch can magically get this team to play low block which mean we need our winger and midfielder to be able to defend well for long period of time. 

Hmm how confidence are you on Enzo defensive skill? How confidence are you with Madueke n sterling defensive effort? 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

Not the first time this has happened though is it? It happens nearly every game.

Exactly, it hardly comes as a surprise to managers, or at least it really bloody shouldnt.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Let's say poch can magically get this team to play low block which mean we need our winger and midfielder to be able to defend well for long period of time. 

Hmm how confidence are you on Enzo defensive skill? How confidence are you with Madueke n sterling defensive effort? 

 

 

 

Magically? f**k it, I cant be arsed with your nonsense any more.  

41 minutes ago, dkw said:

Magically? f**k it, I cant be arsed with your nonsense any more.  

I feel like we have this every single week 

4 hours ago, RMH said:

I don’t see a problem with the way that Pochettino is setting the team to play, it’s making progress and yesterday we were unlucky not to go 2-0 up at half time. For me the problem is the bench, we haven’t got much quality to make the subs and keep on top of the other team. Last night showed it clearly, when Madueke’s batteries ran out the sub was Mudryck, who is a step down and doesn’t understand much the game. Once all injured players return, we should be able to keep the pressing game for 90 minutes.

You don't expect us to have all our key players fit at the same time for an extended period do you?!?

5 hours ago, evissy said:

Simplistic way of thinking. Klopp has played every single game since taking over 2015 with 100% full out pressing with high energy football without fail. He is considered one of the all time best managers ever to coach in the Prem.

Klopp does not tend to cripple his team by playing his best player in a position he cannot play.

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

How confidence are you with Madueke defensive effort? 

More confident than with his attacking ability.

Poch is doing a good job but asking him to magically conjure quality out of Madueke, Mudryk and Broja is like asking a politican to tell the truth.

A lot of talk about Klopp these last few days but if Klopp had those 3 he'd have been sacked by Liverpool years ago.  A great manager for sure but I've watched him get outcoached dozens of times and Salah, Mane, Allison or Van Dijk have won the game through moments of individual quality. 

Poch hasn't had that quality to rely on this season we didn't bring the talent in the squad and our our 1 proven quality attacking signing has been injured all season.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Klopp does not tend to cripple his team by playing his best player in a position he cannot play.

Literally his first move was playing a number 10 at false 9 which ended up being one of the key elements to his success.

He does that here and he'd be getting branded incompetent for playing Firmino "out of position".

Edited January 27, 20242 yr by Argo

13 minutes ago, Argo said:

Literally his first move was playing a number 10 at false 9 which ended up being one of the key elements to his success.

He does that hear and he'd be getting branded incompetent for playing Firmino "out of position".

Firmino was both a 10 and a 9 for Hoffmann, and scored many goals for them. 

He also had Mane and Salah. You give us those two ar their peak and Palmer will be fine in the false 9 because all the pressure is taken off him as those 2 score boat loads. 

But no, he has Mudryk, Madueke, Gallagher and Sterling who are more often Ambrosetti and Gronkjaer and never, ever Salah or Mane.

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Firmino was both a 10 and a 9 for Hoffmann, and scored many goals for them. 

He also had Mane and Salah. You give us those two ar their peak and Palmer will be fine in the false 9 because all the pressure is taken off him as those 2 score boat loads. 

But no, he has Mudryk, Madueke, Gallagher and Sterling who are more often Ambrosetti and Gronkjaer and never, ever Salah or Mane.

According to transfermarkt he played CF three times in his last two years there.

His other appearances being listed as SS or AM.

Pressing is one of the few things we can be very good at on occasion so I get that its tempting for Pochettino to just aim to press intensely for the full 90 or until we run out of gas. Thought the press was excellent for the first hour yesterday but when we tired and the press fell apart then everything else did as well.

Don't have the statistics on this but it feels like a huge percent of our chances come from forcing mistakes from our opponents so thats when we are at our best. If we got possession and teams sit deep we generally have no idea what to do and we are not good in the build up phase either.

 

17 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Pressing is one of the few things we can be very good at on occasion so I get that its tempting for Pochettino to just aim to press intensely for the full 90 or until we run out of gas. Thought the press was excellent for the first hour yesterday but when we tired and the press fell apart then everything else did as well.

Don't have the statistics on this but it feels like a huge percent of our chances come from forcing mistakes from our opponents so thats when we are at our best. If we got possession and teams sit deep we generally have no idea what to do and we are not good in the build up phase either.

 

Where I expected to be tbh.

For me Poch's peak Spurs side were the best non Pep team we've ever faced when it came to forcing mistakes and penning us in.

7 hours ago, Bob stark said:

If you want to criticize poch, maybe criticize his training method. For some reason we cannot get our injured player back, you see them for 1/2 games and then they are out for 2 months 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

It’s not as simple as that. Before they go out to train they do a gym session with weights and conditioning training. Then go outside and before they kick a ball will go for a jog while doing a set of stretches on all the major joints and muscle groups. This is all dealt with by the medical staff/ trainers before the coaching staff get involved 

51 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Pressing is one of the few things we can be very good at on occasion so I get that its tempting for Pochettino to just aim to press intensely for the full 90 or until we run out of gas. Thought the press was excellent for the first hour yesterday but when we tired and the press fell apart then everything else did as well.

Don't have the statistics on this but it feels like a huge percent of our chances come from forcing mistakes from our opponents so thats when we are at our best. If we got possession and teams sit deep we generally have no idea what to do and we are not good in the build up phase either.

 

I believe part of the problem is mental as well. When you press so well and don’t get the goals from it it’s easy for your head to go down and invite more pressure. 
 

If we could actually score I’m certain the players would find that extra gear and motivation to keep pressing for the full 90. 

The fitness and injuries does leave me worried when we add European football to the mix. 

Pochettino is not driving our players to the ground. That is pretty certain. Biggest sides in football have their set core and they play most minutes. 

Why we are "blessed" with so many injuries is beyond me. 

Weird to think the season is deep into the latter parts and we basically haven't seen Nkunku, James, Lavia, Fofana help the team. 

On 27/01/2024 at 21:58, axman2526 said:

Klopp does not tend to cripple his team by playing his best player in a position he cannot play.

He played wijnaldum, a goal scoring midfielder as destroyer though. 

On 27/01/2024 at 16:25, evissy said:

Simplistic way of thinking. Klopp has played every single game since taking over 2015 with 100% full out pressing with high energy football without fail. He is considered one of the all time best managers ever to coach in the Prem.

It is not just klopp. Every single team pretty much play the same style every game with some minor changes.