2 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

 

And so it begins....

I'm not surprised, carabao cup was supposed to be his saving grace considering it is one of our few chances to get to europe so the board won't be happy since many of their potential incoming sponsors are hinging their bets on chelsea getting to europe next season. 

Edited February 26, 20242 yr by Frankie8Lampard

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Nkunku, Enzo, Caicedo, Colwill, Gusto, James, Chilwell, Disasi, Sterling, Lavia, Badiashile, Gallagher

"Every manager will be in trouble with this team."

Yeah sorry.  What ever 'candidate' said that, shouldn't of been considered. There are talented players at this football club. 

4 of those players are actual cripples that never play.

2 were the centre back partnership of a very poor Monaco defence that no one has ever praised or wanted to copy.

And the board have actively been trying to flog Gallagher against the managers wishes for 2 windows now.

This is a nightmare job. An expensive but untalented squad and a moronic owner is the quickest way to destroy any managers reputation.  Can't see who'd want the Job.

13 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I'm honestly sick of the "this team is sh*t narrative" as an excuse for managers, considering how well we've played against some of the top teams this season, there is no excuse for this team to be where they are other than injuries. Sure we are young and in experienced, but many of the teams around us just have one or two top players on their squad with an average team.

It's the inconsistency ... young players are always inconsistent ... due to lack of experience and a lack of stamina and physical resilience rather than ability. All of that comes as players mature. 

You can't build a title challenge with that level of inconsistency. No manager could ... that's the point. 

No easy fix with this ownership. Poch is obviously not the right man for the job. But I say this clubs owners business plan strategy to increase the value of mostly overpriced useless untalented  youth players rather than do well at playing football would make Pep or Klopp look rubbish hypothetically that is. 

Taken from a Matt Law article:

”An associate of a top coach who would almost certainly be linked with succeeding Pochettino were he to go the way of Thomas Tuchel and Graham Potter remarked: “Every manager will be in trouble with this team.”

Add the fact that just about everybody in football believes Chelsea are in danger of running into trouble over profit and sustainability rules, and the threat of punishment and a possible points deduction from the Abramovich era, then the prospect of succeeding Pochettino may not seem too good to turn down.”

 

It’s bonkers to think that they thinking of getting shot of Poch given they hired a “project” manager and young players to go with it. Makes zero sense. They have to hold their nerve.
 

As Matt Law writes, we’re not an attractive proposition as what we once were. 

So Matt Law says. 
 

Same bloke who publicly apologized for his Rudiger rumor in 2020 and Terry’s charity remarks last year. 

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So Matt Law says. 
 

Same bloke who publicly apologized for his Rudiger rumor in 2020 and Terry’s charity remarks last year. 

Say what you want but he is well connected and sourced. 

16 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So Matt Law says. 
 

Same bloke who publicly apologized for his Rudiger rumor in 2020 and Terry’s charity remarks last year. 

He's not great but much better than that Ben Jacobs bloke you like to quote all the time LOL

10 hours ago, timetowaste said:

The bloke who won the two Bundesligas and a German Cup with Dortmund was considered a serial loser? Pochettino is so far behind Klopp in terms of talent and achievements they barely even have the same occupation.

At one point he was yes .... Klopp lost 6 finals out of the first 7 he contested ... 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/15117/11356189/jurgen-klopps-record-in-cup-finals-liverpool-bosss-wait-for-major-trophy-goes-on

Jurgen Klopp: "I lost the last six finals I was in. They were hardly the best days of my life, but they didn't make me a broken person or whatever. For me, life is about trying again and again; if only the winners were allowed to survive then we'd all have to go."

23 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

He's not great but much better than that Ben Jacobs bloke you like to quote all the time LOL

Because Jacobs to his credit got everything spot on during our take over. Been following him ever since. 
 

33 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Say what you want but he is well connected and sourced. 

He made up sh*t in the past and apologized for it. He’s lucky neither Rudiger or Terry drop kicked him. 

It’s the manner of the loss, it’s the approach to the season. And this idea that no one would take the coaching job is absolutely laughable. Stalin kept sacking generals and worse till he found Zhukov there are lots of talented managers out there just like there are lots of talented players. Lots that want to make a bigger name for themselves. Lots that have worked with way less talented squads. 

Marcotti's verdict:

 

"As for Chelsea, while Pochettino's plan almost came to fruition in the 90 minutes -- though, to be fair, presumably it didn't involve Moisés Caicedo being spared a red for that tackle on Gravenberch -- he has to bear responsibility for what we saw in extra time. This was Chelsea's Champions League and when it mattered, they shrivelled up."

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

Taken from a Matt Law article:

”An associate of a top coach who would almost certainly be linked with succeeding Pochettino were he to go the way of Thomas Tuchel and Graham Potter remarked: “Every manager will be in trouble with this team.”

Add the fact that just about everybody in football believes Chelsea are in danger of running into trouble over profit and sustainability rules, and the threat of punishment and a possible points deduction from the Abramovich era, then the prospect of succeeding Pochettino may not seem too good to turn down.”

 

It’s bonkers to think that they thinking of getting shot of Poch given they hired a “project” manager and young players to go with it. Makes zero sense. They have to hold their nerve.
 

As Matt Law writes, we’re not an attractive proposition as what we once were. 

And let's be clear, Poch wasn't hired to take the team to titles. He was hired to take the team to the next step, building out the foundation with a view to finding some consistency. What we've seen this season is much better than the horror show that was last season - and that with more experienced players. We've been sniffing victories against City, Arsenal and Liverpool which would have been a dream last season.

I'm fine with keeping him on as long as the squad gets fixed and injuries are ironed out. That will have a bigger impact than any managerial change. We need consistency in the backroom before we'll see it on the pitch.

5 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

And so it begins....

I'm not surprised, carabao cup was supposed to be his saving grace considering it is one of our few chances to get to europe so the board won't be happy since many of their potential incoming sponsors are hinging their bets on chelsea getting to europe next season. 

If the plan is to get to europe, you don't sign some of these players. 😂😂

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

And let's be clear, Poch wasn't hired to take the team to titles. He was hired to take the team to the next step, building out the foundation with a view to finding some consistency. What we've seen this season is much better than the horror show that was last season - and that with more experienced players. We've been sniffing victories against City, Arsenal and Liverpool which would have been a dream last season.

I'm fine with keeping him on as long as the squad gets fixed and injuries are ironed out. That will have a bigger impact than any managerial change. We need consistency in the backroom before we'll see it on the pitch.

And you know that how? It has been better this season, but how do you know what Poch's KPIs are? Consistently good I'd like, constantly dying in the ass when it matters not so much. Sigh. On we go, the dogs bark and the caravan moves on.

15 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

what happens when the next manager cant get these players playing? This is the 4th in under two seasons. The team, then manager, the board, are all to blame but no one is pointing the fingers at us fans. 

Things to remember. 

We are not entitled to any success, regardless of the money spent. 

We are no longer in the Abramovich era. Era's always come to an end. United are still off the pace ten years after SAF left. Liverpool are going to struggle to replace Klopp. 

It is sad to see adults and young folk trashing a club they're supposedly supporters of. Teams are not just made on the pitch but in the stands as well. I'd be happy to see millions of fair weather fans desert the club and support the next big thing because it would mean a better atmosphere on match days among the home crowd. Interesting to see the difference between away fans getting behind this team and the fair-weather hyper critical slobs who couldn't make a subs bench in amateur football. 

Sack poch now and the same level of vitriol will be directed at the new manager and in 12 months time, as it was at Tuchel, Potter, Lampard and now Pochetino and just about every manager who has ever walked through the door, we'll be where we were at the start of this season. Slow handclap for the cognitively challenged supporters who cant see past their own ego.

Seeing yesterdays and todays comments from "fans" is more disappointing than yesterday's result. 

 

Spot on. Poch quite probably will be shown the door at the end of the season. Possibly before then depending on results. And then the cycle starts again, with a fair chance that we are right back at the same point in a year's time. At some point I think the realization will set in that we are not just going to return to the Chelsea of old. The signs were there even towards the end of Roman's reign, papered over by the Champions League win in 21. But the takeover, and the corresponding manic rebuild efforts have just fast-tracked what would have likely happened over a longer term. As you point out there is no guarantee of success as a football fan. Many fans never see their clubs win anything. As painful as it was losing yesterday, at least we made the final, and we came close to winning it before the disappointment of extra time. We have a young squad, and although it looks like some of the players will not make the grade, hopefully there is a decent core in there that we can build around in the years ahead. Whoever is manager will need some patience I think, especially if we are expecting trophies.

6 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

It's the inconsistency ... young players are always inconsistent ... due to lack of experience and a lack of stamina and physical resilience rather than ability. All of that comes as players mature. 

You can't build a title challenge with that level of inconsistency. No manager could ... that's the point. 

Exactly, you can't build a title challenge but top 7 shouldnt be difficult

34 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Spot on. Poch quite probably will be shown the door at the end of the season. Possibly before then depending on results. And then the cycle starts again, with a fair chance that we are right back at the same point in a year's time. At some point I think the realization will set in that we are not just going to return to the Chelsea of old. The signs were there even towards the end of Roman's reign, papered over by the Champions League win in 21. But the takeover, and the corresponding manic rebuild efforts have just fast-tracked what would have likely happened over a longer term. As you point out there is no guarantee of success as a football fan. Many fans never see their clubs win anything. As painful as it was losing yesterday, at least we made the final, and we came close to winning it before the disappointment of extra time. We have a young squad, and although it looks like some of the players will not make the grade, hopefully there is a decent core in there that we can build around in the years ahead. Whoever is manager will need some patience I think, especially if we are expecting trophies.

Imo what will happen to this team will depend more what type of signing that we will make rather than who the next manager is. 

 

 

 

I am an aussie and have always backed Ange Postecoglou. He gets a sh**load of press just now because of the change of style at spuds. We all know a season is 38 league games never mind the cups and that reputations are made over 3 seasons minimum not half a season. That said, this article from the sydney morning herald, reprinted I think from the NYT shows just how much influence a manager can have.

And by the way this is the way the manager works with potential players. What the article doesn't talk about but what surely happens is that the manager also works on the owners and sells them on the "project". People do matter and this idea that no manage can make much difference to this chelsea squad is just plain wrong. Just because we haven't had a good manager since Tuchel, and Tuchel was fading, doesn't mean they don't exist.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/ange-i-m-in-why-postecoglou-s-powers-of-persuasion-work-on-so-many-signings-20240227-p5f81d.html

Hopefully all this stupid sh*te from media is just that. If the owners listen to the noise they will absolutely never succeed as owners. Never ever listen to media or fans after some bad results. Never. Back the coach. If the coach actually loses the players' respect listen to that. Then act. 

I feel players are 100% backing Poch. 

We just lost to one of the best sides in football. There is no embarrassment in that. Remember when we were the best. We had games where we had many players injured or suspended and we won. 

We should have scored one of the chances we had, sure. Wasn't our day. Move on.

36 minutes ago, evissy said:

Hopefully all this stupid sh*te from media is just that. If the owners listen to the noise they will absolutely never succeed as owners. Never ever listen to media or fans after some bad results. Never. Back the coach. If the coach actually loses the players' respect listen to that. Then act. 

I feel players are 100% backing Poch. 

We just lost to one of the best sides in football. There is no embarrassment in that. Remember when we were the best. We had games where we had many players injured or suspended and we won. 

We should have scored one of the chances we had, sure. Wasn't our day. Move on.

No we didn't. We lost to VVD, Luis Diaz and 9 U-19s players.

Do you think the reaction to this whole thing wouldn't be different if we lost in the same manner to Liverpool's full first team?

On 01/02/2024 at 18:11, I am a CPA said:

Hate to say this but Poch is a coward.

From the way he sets up the team, to the way he talks in interviews, pure cowardice that also seeps into the players.

I've backed him but the disgraceful and shameful displays away to United, Newcastle, Everton and Liverpool, he's done for me. He's a scared man when he goes away to a "hostile" ground and it shows in the team. Both Poch and the players have no balls. Cowards the lot of them.

Back to my post on the 1st Feb. It's what I've been seeing all along.

Poch is a coward and that's rubbing off onto the players as well.

6 minutes ago, I am a CPA said:

No we didn't. We lost to VVD, Luis Diaz and 9 U-19s players.

Do you think the reaction to this whole thing wouldn't be different if we lost in the same manner to Liverpool's full first team?

Who in the end made the difference for pool? Is it all the kids or their wc CB? 

7 hours ago, ozboy said:

And you know that how? It has been better this season, but how do you know what Poch's KPIs are? Consistently good I'd like, constantly dying in the ass when it matters not so much. Sigh. On we go, the dogs bark and the caravan moves on.

You know that by mere inference from the fact that we signed....Poch. You don't sign Poch to win titles, you don't sign Jose to develop a young team. Just as we know, or some of us should know, what the targets are given the profile of players we're signing.

We have a dysfunctional squad, leading to a dysfunctional team and we at least have to control for the coaching staff while we set things straight. 

 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Who in the end made the difference for pool? Is it all the kids or their wc CB? 

Supplied by the 27 year old Greek international winger LOL

I'm stunned how many people are so easily influenced by Gary bloody Neville LOL

9 U-19s wtf ... they had at least 6 players all game who were 25+ including at the end of the game !!!

Van Dijk 32.6, Endo 31.0, Tsimikas 27.8, Diaz 27.1, Gomez 26.8, Kelleher 25.3. Then Quansah 21.1 and Elliott 20.9 (both have had PL starts this season for the side that is top) and three actual teenagers ... three, not nine LOL.

Boy oh boy ... tough crowd :-)