4 minutes ago, evissy said:

6 finals in 5(?) years is still pretty good. A lot of teams would love to have the opportunity. 3 of these finals we lost to Liverpool, 2 on penalties. I think Arsenal and Leicester defeats we're a lot worse than losing to a top Liverpool side.

Domestic cup competition final appearances since the 2019 League Cup Final.

• Chelsea = 6 (0 wins)
• Manchester City = 5 (5 wins)
• Liverpool = 3 (3 wins)
• Manchester United = 2 (1 win)
• Arsenal = 1 (1 win)
• Leicester City = 1 (1 win)
• Watford = 1 (0 wins)
• Aston Villa = 1 (0 wins)
• Tottenham Hotspur = 1 (0 wins)
• Newcastle United = 1 (0 wins)

Can't say we haven't been competitive, but we fail to finish the job at the end.

Klopp was also considered a serial loser before Liverpool. He totally changed the face of their club. I don't know if Pochettino will achieve that, time will tell, but we have to change the tune of the club from Roman era's hire and fire mentality. 

1 minute ago, Jezz said:

Domestic cup competition final appearances since the 2019 League Cup Final.

• Chelsea = 6 (0 wins)
• Manchester City = 5 (5 wins)
• Liverpool = 3 (3 wins)
• Manchester United = 2 (1 win)
• Arsenal = 1 (1 win)
• Leicester City = 1 (1 win)
• Watford = 1 (0 wins)
• Aston Villa = 1 (0 wins)
• Tottenham Hotspur = 1 (0 wins)
• Newcastle United = 1 (0 wins)

Can't say we haven't been competitive, but we fail to finish the job at the end.

The most expensive thing to buy in football is goals. We can't just buy the Osimhens and what not and expect them to always score. We haven't found our main man yet. Maybe it is Nkunku or Palmer but it isn't Jackson or sadly Broja. 

Finishing chances is our main problem and has been throughout those 6 final losses. 

One cup final we managed to win gladly and it was the Champions League.

The problems run deeper than the coach but, I find it amusing (to say the least) that there are still some twisting the fact that we did a text-book spursy bottlejob yesterday to save Pochettino's face. Amusing indeed. 

9 minutes ago, evissy said:

Klopp was also considered a serial loser before Liverpool. He totally changed the face of their club. I don't know if Pochettino will achieve that, time will tell, but we have to change the tune of the club from Roman era's hire and fire mentality. 

The bloke who won the two Bundesligas and a German Cup with Dortmund was considered a serial loser? Pochettino is so far behind Klopp in terms of talent and achievements they barely even have the same occupation.

 

8 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Klopp's first season ... finished 8th in the PL and lost in the final of the league cup ... should they have sacked him ?

As its stands, Poch may well match that, despite the inexperience of his squad and the horrendous season long injury list ... granted some work to do to move from 11th to 8th, but not inconceivable that we have that in our locker. United have lost Hojlund to injury (and immediately lost at home), West Ham and Newcastle are going backwards at a rate of knots, and Brighton will probably now be distracted by Europe fixtures. Its definitely doable ... 

Wasn't that the year he took over after they sacked Rodgers? Klopp Inherited the below god awful squad and still finished 3 places higher than Poch currently has us after a full pre-season. Coutinho from the below is the only player you could argue might have a chance of getting in our squad. Can't beleive we're striving for such mediocracy. 

15 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Wasn't that the year he took over after they sacked Rodgers? Klopp Inherited the below god awful squad and still finished 3 places higher than Poch currently has us after a full pre-season. Coutinho from the below is the only player you could argue might have a chance of getting in our squad. Can't beleive we're striving for such mediocracy. 

I agree that we shouldn't settle for mediocracy, but the league Klopp finished 8th in was much weaker than the league today. (So weak that the bloke we're all arguing about almost managed to win it)

44 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

One team is 11th in the league with a manager who has been here for 6 months, and the other has been on an upward cycle for 7 years under the same manager, which is a whole different culture of success and continuity. They also had an experienced core in their side yesterday for the whole game, which does make a huge difference. Younger players will tire more as their bodies aren't mature. Think of Andy Murray in tennis ... he used to retire injured all the time when he was young, suffered all sorts of cramping issues, and it was only when he did the fitness work over a couple of years and fully matured into his adult body that he came out the other side with the endurance levels to match his ability.

Timing is everything in sport. As a club we just need time and as fans we need patience ! 

If you look for the positive things in our performances, they are there .. it is just that people choose to focus on what doesn't work (yet) rather than what does. Human nature I guess ... bad news sells etc etc.

There is some truth in that, but it’s far from the whole story. Yes we need patience and the team is playing better than at the start of the season as players come back from injury. But Poch could and should have done better. At critical times he has looked weak and the teams he has picked have looked like they are set up without real ambition or actually  without belief. 

28 minutes ago, El regreso said:

 

That’s more worrying than Poch setting them up to play for penalties. 

28 minutes ago, El regreso said:

 

And there we go ... finally some common bloody sense LOL.

Hence why I posted the full interview last night !!! 

 

2 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

what happens when the next manager cant get these players playing? This is the 4th in under two seasons. The team, then manager, the board, are all to blame but no one is pointing the fingers at us fans. 

Things to remember. 

We are not entitled to any success, regardless of the money spent. 

We are no longer in the Abramovich era. Era's always come to an end. United are still off the pace ten years after SAF left. Liverpool are going to struggle to replace Klopp. 

It is sad to see adults and young folk trashing a club they're supposedly supporters of. Teams are not just made on the pitch but in the stands as well. I'd be happy to see millions of fair weather fans desert the club and support the next big thing because it would mean a better atmosphere on match days among the home crowd. Interesting to see the difference between away fans getting behind this team and the fair-weather hyper critical slobs who couldn't make a subs bench in amateur football. 

Sack poch now and the same level of vitriol will be directed at the new manager and in 12 months time, as it was at Tuchel, Potter, Lampard and now Pochetino and just about every manager who has ever walked through the door, we'll be where we were at the start of this season. Slow handclap for the cognitively challenged supporters who cant see past their own ego.

Seeing yesterdays and todays comments from "fans" is more disappointing than yesterday's result. 

 

Largely agree. I thought it would take a relegation to sort out the wheat from the chaff supporter wise, however mid table mediocrity has achieved this. I’m guessing traffic on this site has declined in revient years. Fair weather fans are not fans, not supporters. The purpose of being a Chelsea fan is to support Chelsea. Rain or shine.

8 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Didn't he say stuff about the fans though? I know a lot of it is misrepresented, but I believe he had a go at our fans saying the club had to hand out plastic flags as a means to make atmosphere, whereas our fans (Liverpool at the time) didn't have to do as such. 

No, I looked into it when he arrived and it turned out that it was some bullsh*t statement released by those very classy Liverpool fans! There is no known quotes or statements on any reputable source, but if you find one, I’m happy to eat my words!

Far be it from me to stand up for the guy! All I found that was genuine was the Drogba remarks, if you remember he scored during that game and slid in front of their bench while Rafa looked the other way!

9 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

I’m guessing traffic on this site has declined in revient years. Fair weather fans are not fans, not supporters. The purpose of being a Chelsea fan is to support Chelsea. Rain or shine.

Completely! Even more so massively since the sanctions and the circus act coming in!

I think with social media being big for Football (though looking at posts there, I’ll never understand why), forums overall have generally fallen off a lot. That makes a difference…. but I opt more towards what you’re saying to be the clincher!

There is a lot less passion in our club compared to others and that has waned much more since the club got stolen! I get it to an extent, we can jump up and down about a manager but when it’s your board, your hands are tied!

22 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

And there we go ... finally some common bloody sense LOL.

Hence why I posted the full interview last night !!! 

 

 

22 minutes ago, MyWord said:

That’s more worrying than Poch setting them up to play for penalties. 

This is indeed worrying if the players decided to drop back and retreat it shows a lack of belief in the ability to win. this comes down to mentality and Liverpool has bags of it. Whether it's an 18-year-old or 29-year-old they have a winning mentality that has been ripped from us completely. 

 

This article backs that up, it's not the ability that lost us that game it's mentality. 

https://x.com/liam_twomey/status/1762039539487379591?s=20 

Edited February 26, 20242 yr by El regreso

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Klopp was also considered a serial loser before Liverpool. He totally changed the face of their club. I don't know if Pochettino will achieve that, time will tell, but we have to change the tune of the club from Roman era's hire and fire mentality. 

Pochettino was considered a serial loser before CFC and is still considered as a loser while he's here.

We won't win anything with him, if that's fine by the new owners then so be it but let's not pretend that Pochettino has the capacity to actually win something.

39 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

I agree that we shouldn't settle for mediocracy, but the league Klopp finished 8th in was much weaker than the league today. (So weak that the bloke we're all arguing about almost managed to win it)

zero pre-season, joined a new league quarter of the way though with a poor demotivated squad and no transfers. 

Poch knows the league like the back of his hand, had a transfer window with unlimited money and a full pre-season to get us going. 

Klopp got Europe first time under the same parameters. 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Means absolutely nothing if you don't win it though. Its embarrassing. 

Celebrating getting to finals you always lose. Is that what we are now?

2 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Celebrating getting to finals you always lose. Is that what we are now?

Losing a final just makes you the first place loser in that competition, and absolutely not worthy of any celebration ever.

29 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Pochettino was considered a serial loser before CFC and is still considered as a loser while he's here.

We won't win anything with him, if that's fine by the new owners then so be it but let's not pretend that Pochettino has the capacity to actually win something.

Lets not pretend we're going to ever challenge for a major trophy in the next 9 years regardless of the manager.

The owners have guaranteed failure with their strategy,  the club isn't set up to ever challenge for trophies regardless of coaching staff.

2 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Lets not pretend we're going to ever challenge for a major trophy in the next 9 years regardless of the manager.

The owners have guaranteed failure with their strategy,  the club isn't set up to ever challenge for trophies regardless of coaching staff.

We’re not an attractive proposition for managers atm. One saving grace is that they would be plying their trade in London, which is a draw. Flat in Knightsbridge, mansion in Cobham. Get sacked after a year or so with a three million payout. Crying all the way to the bank.

Wot - No poll - shood he goo or shood he stay - dere will be truble and if he stays dere maybe duble ...

1 minute ago, Timmy Elms said:

We’re not an attractive proposition for managers atm. One saving grace is that they would be plying their trade in London, which is a draw. Flat in Knightsbridge, mansion in Cobham. Get sacked after a year or so with a three million payout. Crying all the way to the bank.

I'm starting to wonder if that's why Pochettino came here in the first place.

5 hours ago, ozboy said:

What is the source of that rumour?  That stuff is usually fairly closely held. 

Speculation from fan/YouTube channels I listen to. I don't remember which one. Was based on the clause Potter had for dropping in to the bottom half that they figured there would be a clause in Poches deal but this time involve CL qualification.

Nobody in the know. Possible based on Potters deal imo but far from reliable, just looking for a reason why Poch has yet to be sacked.

3 hours ago, Jezz said:

Make no mistake, we could have won the game in the 90 minutes had we been clinical enough in front of goal. Gallagher missed some easy chances.

I was very disappointed with Pochettino's approach to extra time. Instead of saving the game and trying to get to penalties, we should have been confident enough to take the game on and win it then and there.

The narrative around Liverpool's youth is overstated. Yes, they had injuries and were missing a chunk of their usual starters but I was reading somewhere that we still had the younger line up by average age.

In saying all of this, I think pulling the plug on Pochettino now would be a calamity at this point. Too many are quick to rip up everything and start from scratch again. I've watched enough of this season to see plenty of potential, but the inconsistency has been our biggest issue.

The thing is, what exactly are we ripping up?

Where are we, what advances have we made, what visible progress is there that we risk unraveling by removing this bloke.

To my eyes the only discernible things i can see is a) we have fallen upon a keeper that could stand us in good stead. This only happened due to injury and not through planning, and b) we may have the embryo beginning of a defensive partnership between Disasi and Colwill, the greenest of green shoots.

This is his dissertation, his opus, that we risk by removing him? 

I agree that we don't want to constantly change managers all the time as we need to build continuity for the future. That's what the greatest clubs do, the elite clubs.  Let's take REal Madrid as an example.

There is something of an irony that the longest serving manager in the list below is actually Mourinho.

The point i am making is that change for change's sake or kneejerk reactions is wrong of course, but the best do indeed change managers regularly.......until they get the right manager. I see nothing from Potter, Lampard or Poch to indicate any of these were or are the right manager.