21 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Or you sign them and the kid in the academy that you release to make way, turns out to be the next Mbappe and Neymar, then you look chumps. If this lot cash in on Reece James this summer for major free hit profit, you watch them go steaming in for the next big thing to bring in behind Gusto (probably from the same south American gene pool that seems to only produce players for us now). How do we know that Josh Acheampong isn't already the next big thing, he looks pretty good whenever i've seen him. 

To be fair, when has that ever happened? Musiala is the only exception but the lad was homesick and the club did try to keep him. This club has done far better than most given the way it operates in trying to secure the best talent. 

Reece James is not going anywhere. This fearmongering needs to stop. 

 

58 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

To be fair, when has that ever happened? Musiala is the only exception but the lad was homesick and the club did try to keep him. This club has done far better than most given the way it operates in trying to secure the best talent. 

Reece James is not going anywhere. This fearmongering needs to stop.

Mbappe and Neymar is a bit of a stretch but I think we're better off improving our first team rather then spending 30m+ on a player who may not even be ready for 2027/28 let alone next year in terms of performances.  It's not the end of the world if we miss out on top players because we have to worry about building a functional competitive team first who can keep us at a level to allow us to freely invest in these kids. Hutchinson is on the books who may not be as fancy of a name as Estevao but he's proving it in a more competitive league and would cost us nothing.

I maybe simple in my thinking but surely you could have just not signed Estevao and put pen to paper for Conor. People may not rate Conor but he would be an important cog in the wheel to achieveing top 4 next season. We also have one of the best young players in the league in Cole Palmer, build around him now and not for 3-4 years time because he'll be off if we don't win anything.

 

Edited May 20, 20242 yr by Sheva

Poch will want to keep Gallagher and Trev. Question is how badly do the owners need to sell those two?

Could be this issue that see Poch and the "process" no longer aligned.

5 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Poch will want to keep Gallagher and Trev. Question is how badly do the owners need to sell those two?

Could be this issue that see Poch and the "process" no longer aligned.

Let's be frank, what kind of big club willing to let go two of their most consistent players? 

15 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Poch will want to keep Gallagher and Trev. Question is how badly do the owners need to sell those two?

Could be this issue that see Poch and the "process" no longer aligned.

 

9 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Let's be frank, what kind of big club willing to let go two of their most consistent players? 

When we have "financial experts" in SwissRamble and Stefan Borson coming out and apologizing for their predictions because our situation is a lot more complex than simply looking at balance sheets, I think its fair to say the only people who know if we need to sell are from the club. 

 

54 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Mbappe and Neymar is a bit of a stretch but I think we're better off improving our first team rather then spending 30m+ on a player who may not even be ready for 2027/28 let alone next year in terms of performances.  It's not the end of the world if we miss out on top players because we have to worry about building a functional competitive team first who can keep us at a level to allow us to freely invest in these kids. Hutchinson is on the books who may not be as fancy of a name as Estevao but he's proving it in a more competitive league and would cost us nothing.

I maybe simple in my thinking but surely you could have just not signed Estevao and put pen to paper for Conor. People may not rate Conor but he would be an important cog in the wheel to achieveing top 4 next season. We also have one of the best young players in the league in Cole Palmer, build around him now and not for 3-4 years time because he'll be off if we don't win anything.

 

I don't see anything wrong with what we are doing. We are going to bring in 3 players apparently for next season (LB, CB, ST) which I agree with as with everyone fit, and these 3 inclusions, we are going to be far better off next season vs this season. We are also preparing for the future at the same time with Paez and Estevao. 

Gallagher situation I agree with. Think more will be revealed in the coming weeks. 

Edited May 20, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

When we have "financial experts" in SwissRamble and Stefan Borson coming out and apologizing for their predictions because our situation is a lot more complex than simply looking at balance sheets, I think its fair to say the only people who know if we need to sell are from the club. 

 

Yeah we will see if there is a need to bring in money for FFP/PSR. Does being in Europe next season change things?

5 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Yeah we will see if there is a need to bring in money for FFP/PSR. Does being in Europe next season change things?

I don't know. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Yeah we will see if there is a need to bring in money for FFP/PSR. Does being in Europe next season change things?

I thought it did as the hotel sale (£90m approx) can’t count towards the balance sheet. Therefore, we will be penalised by UEFA. There was a podcast by the Athletic specifically about Chelsea and Europe and whether they afford to be in Europe. 
 

There is alot of unknowns, only the club really

know. 

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Poch will want to keep Gallagher and Trev. Question is how badly do the owners need to sell those two?

Could be this issue that see Poch and the "process" no longer aligned.

I believe that Andrey Santos should be given the chance and I also believe that Lavia + Caicedo could dominate the league.

With that said, selling Gallagher now would be taking 3 steps back, I hope that Poch during his talks with the board/owners/whoever makes that crystal clear.

It's also a valid argument to bring up that with Chalobah in the starting lineup during this second part of the second that we managed to win 8/10 matches, the 2 we didn't win were draws so basically with Chalobah in the starting lineup we didn't lose a match.

I'm not very impressed the club hadn't sorted his position before the season ended. Seems a bit amateur from the board.

7 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

If the press officer told him to jump off a cliff would he do it?

It's part of his post match duties to attend the presser.I can't feel upset that he didn't address the fans, I wasn't there , but unless its a title winning season , I dont stay behind anyway, and certainly not to hear what a manager might say after another trophyless season .

 

 

 

 

 

 

59 minutes ago, Luca Vialli said:

I'm not very impressed the club hadn't sorted his position before the season ended. Seems a bit amateur from the board.

1 hour ago, Luca Vialli said:

I'm not very impressed the club hadn't sorted his position before the season ended. Seems a bit amateur from the board.

Apparently the review is said to be happening over this week, as Poch will want to be going on his holidays.

TT has been pushing for a return, seen articles say he wants to either have one year off or come back to the PL. Would consider United but feels his time with Chelsea is not over.

Younes covered this on his video today if you want to watch it for the sources.

7 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

To be fair, when has that ever happened? Musiala is the only exception but the lad was homesick and the club did try to keep him. This club has done far better than most given the way it operates in trying to secure the best talent. 

Reece James is not going anywhere. This fearmongering needs to stop. 

 

Fearmongering? 

I'll be pi$$Ed off if we don't get a chance to see what Acheampong is all about as I have a feeling he is also the real deal.

47 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Fearmongering? 

I'll be pi$$Ed off if we don't get a chance to see what Acheampong is all about as I have a feeling he is also the real deal.

The club aren’t going to be selling off their best players. That notion needs to be put to bed. Colwill and James would’ve been sold last summer had that been true. 
 

Acheampong just signed his professional contract. He’ll likely get a loan this next season. Again, bar Musiala which were circumstances beyond the club’s control, we haven’t regretted letting a player.  If he’s good enough he’ll make it here. Colwill the perfect example. 

9 hours ago, Jangz said:

it doesnt impact FFP since he is below the age of 18. that wont be counted towards PSR. On the player itself if in hindsight you get the next Mbappe and Neymar for 40mil you sign them no matter what.

First it's still money to be spent, unless these guys print money it's still the club's expenditure, FFP or not. Secondly, it's just another expensive punt into the youth market. At least when Brighton does it, they do it at a much lower cost and has a much higher chance of cash return. The point is Poch won't get the upgrade he's asking, most likely more kids to develop.

4 hours ago, Luca Vialli said:

I'm not very impressed the club hadn't sorted his position before the season ended. Seems a bit amateur from the board.

Why would they? They said they'd give him the season and they have, now they're evaluating the situation.

With the rumours being that our owners would want a young manager if Poch is sacked/walks the names I have heard mentioned on the YouTube channels are Amorim (39 years old, and this despite him committing his future to Sporting), McKenna (38) and Kompany (38).

RDZ name being mentioned as well, he is 44. Again these are guys reporting other people making the comments. Hopefully we find out soon if Poch is going or staying.

Not convinced of this “he wants a say in transfers” narrative. He knew what he signed up for last year. 

If we could I'd love for us to get Thiago Motta before he signs for Juve.

6 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Not convinced of this “he wants a say in transfers” narrative. He knew what he signed up for last year. 

Might be more he does not want Conor and Trev sold? Who knows, probably won't ever find out the whole truth given the club gets staff to sign NDAs.

18 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Might be more he does not want Conor and Trev sold? Who knows, probably won't ever find out the whole truth given the club gets staff to sign NDAs.

No one knows anything. There's so much to be discussed yet the media are running with one narrative. 

Regarding the more power notion, on one hand I can understand Poch wanting a say in bringing in experience and keeping certain players at the club, on the other I can understand the club's viewpoint in not wanting to give him any power that will affect long term decisions at the club when Poch won't likely be here in a year or two. 

31 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

No one knows anything. There's so much to be discussed yet the media are running with one narrative. 

Regarding the more power notion, on one hand I can understand Poch wanting a say in bringing in experience and keeping certain players at the club, on the other I can understand the club's viewpoint in not wanting to give him any power that will affect long term decisions at the club when Poch won't likely be here in a year or two. 

Yeah. I don't trust the owners vision but if you allow one manager the power to bring in who they want, then that manager leaves and the next one is left with totally the wrong group for his way of play it becomes a big issues.

However I do think that is different than say keeping Conor. Clearly everyone can see he is key for Poch. So you give him a new deal and if Poch is sacked in a year you can still sell him, whereas selling a key player against his wishes clearly undermines him.

Too many rumours for my liking. I think he’s gone.