29 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Some folk try to make out Jackson is on a par or even better than Isak. 

Just take a look at the Isak goal last night against the dippers. Jackson will never score a goal as good as that.

Clearly the arn't but Isak has a few year's on him and I'd say never say never 

If would get Isak i'd bite your hand of though 

 

20 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

None in the Premier League era have ever managed more than 36 (Haaland two seasons ago). So Jim will change his tune once Nico hits Ballon d'Or level basically.

 

20 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Yep - I said as much ages ago. It will need Ballon d'or levels of output for me to tolerate this clown.  I doubt he will ever get to that - so best for all that he just toddles off now and saves me all the energy.

*corrected it for you. Its only you and maybe one or two others, but definitely not "Us". Long me he stay and flourish even more.

I notice you do put/slip a lot of these in your posts. Helps when re-posting later, I get it...but don't include me dude! Its your obsession, not mine...😆

18 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

Well to be fair nor has anybody else in the last 32 years. 

 

Its amazing how high Jims demands are of a #9 he doesn't actually like. Lol

"He's rubbish, but needs to be better than Ronaldo and Messi in goals scored!!!"

 

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

Some folk try to make out Jackson is on a par or even better than Isak. 

Just take a look at the Isak goal last night against the dippers. Jackson will never score a goal as good as that.

Watching a review it wasnt just the goal, it was the way he dominated the Liverpool defence, he had them on string, he was outstanding.

3 hours ago, Nibs said:

Some folk try to make out Jackson is on a par or even better than Isak. 

Just take a look at the Isak goal last night against the dippers. Jackson will never score a goal as good as that.

Goals wise, he is. I think a lot of you are ignoring how fundamental Jackson is in how we play. 

Jackson had Konate's number on several occasions given the amount of times he skinned him. 

18 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Goals wise, he is. I think a lot of you are ignoring how fundamental Jackson is in how we play. 

Jackson had Konate's number on several occasions given the amount of times he skinned him. 

I'm not a Jackson hater like our Jim, but I am aware of his limitations (and there are plenty).

He has improved but as a striker, he is way off a player like Isak. You say Jackson is fundamental to how we play, but I have to disagree. Put any striker worth their salt in his place and we probably improve. We certainly didn't miss him last night and should have got close to double figures.

That said, no doubt he will start against Spurs on Sunday and I hope he repeats his feat of last season (possibly the luckiest hat-trick I have ever seen!) 

 

5 minutes ago, Nibs said:

I'm not a Jackson hater like our Jim, but I am aware of his limitations (and there are plenty).

He has improved but as a striker, he is way off a player like Isak. You say Jackson is fundamental to how we play, but I have to disagree. Put any striker worth their salt in his place and we probably improve. We certainly didn't miss him last night and should have got close to double figures.

That said, no doubt he will start against Spurs on Sunday and I hope he repeats his feat of last season (possibly the luckiest hat-trick I have ever seen!) 

 

He has limitations but I am not going to pretend Isak is some massive upgrade when figures don't lie. 

Last night we played arguably one of the worst prem sides in history that rivals Derby 08'. The 2nd goal I am still baffled a top flight football club managed to concede that. 

Jackson is fundamental given we like to play through the middle and Jackson is effective in dropping and working the channels. He literally destroyed the entire Newcastle team doing this. Isak tried doing the very same thing and Lavia took the ball which led to Palmer getting the winner. 

 

On 04/12/2024 at 10:26, nonotnowjim said:

40. If he scores 40 goals in all competitions I will overlook the glaring deficiencies (and his ugly face).

Facially, and body shape, reckon he closely resembles Pele of all people. 
Pele however, how more football intelligence in his left big toe nail, that Jacko has in his entire anatomy.

In fairness, he’s improved a great deal this season. There’s legions of technically superior, less error prone forwards, who can’t match his scoring rate.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He has limitations but I am not going to pretend Isak is some massive upgrade when figures don't lie. 

Last night we played arguably one of the worst prem sides in history that rivals Derby 08'. The 2nd goal I am still baffled a top flight football club managed to concede that. 

Jackson is fundamental given we like to play through the middle and Jackson is effective in dropping and working the channels. He literally destroyed the entire Newcastle team doing this. Isak tried doing the very same thing and Lavia took the ball which led to Palmer getting the winner. 

 

You might not think Isak is a massive upgrade but he is still an upgrade.

One things for sure, if both players were put up for transfer tomorrow, I know which player would attract the bigger clubs and higher bids and it isn't Nico.

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He has limitations but I am not going to pretend Isak is some massive upgrade when figures don't lie. 

Last night we played arguably one of the worst prem sides in history that rivals Derby 08'. The 2nd goal I am still baffled a top flight football club managed to concede that. 

Jackson is fundamental given we like to play through the middle and Jackson is effective in dropping and working the channels. He literally destroyed the entire Newcastle team doing this. Isak tried doing the very same thing and Lavia took the ball which led to Palmer getting the winner. 

 

Re writing of history.

He had a decent 10 min spell, that was it. Re watch the game.

3 hours ago, Simplymo said:

 

 

*corrected it for you. Its only you and maybe one or two others, but definitely not "Us". Long me he stay and flourish even more.

I notice you do put/slip a lot of these in your posts. Helps when re-posting later, I get it...but don't include me dude! Its your obsession, not mine...😆

 

Its amazing how high Jims demands are of a #9 he doesn't actually like. Lol

"He's rubbish, but needs to be better than Ronaldo and Messi in goals scored!!!"

 

The replies.... think of the time you would save in not having to defend your boy! 😄 

 

...on the bold....your wife is a lucky lady 😉 

6 minutes ago, Nibs said:

You might not think Isak is a massive upgrade but he is still an upgrade.

One things for sure, if both players were put up for transfer tomorrow, I know which player would attract the bigger clubs and higher bids and it isn't Nico.

 

I honestly don't believe he is one and I think the directors are right for not pursuing and spending a large sum on a striker who can't even pull better numbers than Jackson. 

6 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

The replies.... think of the time you would save in not having to defend your boy! 😄 

 

...on the bold....your wife is a lucky lady 😉 

Lmao...i had to go back and check I posted that. Ooops. *long may he stay...etc.

 

Honestly, I'd defend all the chelsea lads but I'd also call them all out too amongst our supporters.

Imagine if you had to post all the negative stuff about nkunku...you wouldn't have time for wacko. 🤣🤣🤣

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On 04/12/2024 at 11:21, nonotnowjim said:

So you think he is good?

Did you watch the games against City, Forest, Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace, Utd? Even in his latest game against Villa he was overall poor (6.6 on sofa score - despite the goal!).

You are quick to mouth off - but give no objective attempt to say what he is good at. 
 

He was decent against west ham, he was decent against Leicester. He had a good 10 mins against Newcastle.  When else has he been good?
 

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On 04/12/2024 at 10:30, Ukraine Bolt said:

Very true, Gol. We even had fans that thought Jorginho was world class!

Once upon a time you had a different username and said a lot of dumb things, I get that you had to start over but here is one picture that concludes who thought what and what is real and what is not:

 

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15 hours ago, Nibs said:

Some folk try to make out Jackson is on a par or even better than Isak. 

Just take a look at the Isak goal last night against the dippers. Jackson will never score a goal as good as that.

They don’t put pictures on scoreboards pal. As long as they end up in the back of the net..

17 hours ago, Nibs said:

Some folk try to make out Jackson is on a par or even better than Isak. 

Just take a look at the Isak goal last night against the dippers. Jackson will never score a goal as good as that.

Probably not, this what I mean when I say Isak has "X-factor" as he can score goals like that from range.

Problem is, he rarely does it, it adds up to a grand total of maybe 4-5 goals in all comps across the season over Jackson. I promise if you if Isak was here we'd be having the same complaints. For all his talent, he misses easy chances, dribbles like a drunkard in ice skates and his passing is erratic at best. His all-round game is rarely better than Jackson and he's nearly 3 years older.

He's an upgrade for sure, but not much of one. 

 

18 hours ago, Nibs said:

Some folk try to make out Jackson is on a par or even better than Isak. 

Just take a look at the Isak goal last night against the dippers. Jackson will never score a goal as good as that.

Well, Haaland would not score a goal like that too. How many goals as Haaland scored from range or when he is not being served on a plate? Isak may be better but not a massive upgrade imo.

13 hours ago, Gol15 said:

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14 hours ago, Gol15 said:

 

That was one ugly ass award. A torso with half amputated arms? A heart with only two arteries? The designer's kid gone mad on the computer?

Ant & Dec can keep Isak. Any player who moves to the Geordie Wastelands is a serial loser with zero ambition to win anything. 

Jackson on all the metrics is the better player than Isak this season. 

18 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Once upon a time you had a different username and said a lot of dumb things, I get that you had to start over but here is one picture that concludes who thought what and what is real and what is not:

 

Never change Gol, never change

Watched some interviews the other day from Maresca, Scott Parker and some other players on how social media influences players' mental health. Truth is players are on social media platforms, too and some pay attention to all the negative comments, but some others do not care about it.

With Jackson I feel he is mentally very strong, he got a lot of abuse and still does, but the guy looks like he just does not give a sh*t. To me he looks like the kind of player that the jury will always be out for him no matter what. 

Don't think he'll ever put Kane, Haaland type of numbers in the PL, but his improvement as a player ever since he's come here is clear for everybody to see, he looks better and better with each and every matchday.

To me personally it looks like he is at least 3 seasons away from entering his peak years and if he will continue to have this trajectory in terms of development, IMHO he will be a top striker.

4 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

Watched some interviews the other day from Maresca, Scott Parker and some other players on how social media influences players' mental health. Truth is players are on social media platforms, too and some pay attention to all the negative comments, but some others do not care about it.

With Jackson I feel he is mentally very strong, he got a lot of abuse and still does, but the guy looks like he just does not give a sh*t. To me he looks like the kind of player that the jury will always be out for him no matter what. 

Don't think he'll ever put Kane, Haaland type of numbers in the PL, but his improvement as a player ever since he's come here is clear for everybody to see, he looks better and better with each and every matchday.

To me personally it looks like he is at least 3 seasons away from entering his peak years and if he will continue to have this trajectory in terms of development, IMHO he will be a top striker.

^^^^^This.

Messi and Ronaldo are/were often slated on the internet so it happens to everyone. If I was a PL player I wouldn’t go anywhere near football forums on the internet that’s for sure. It’s a cess pit of lunacy. I’ve probably been guilty of it myself.

As far as Jackson is concerned he’s doing really well. Too many of our fans still see Chelsea as the club we were under Roman. We almost always bought players who were ready to play. If they didn’t produce they were shipped out again. This new model requires a certain level of patience. It’s clear lots of people on this forum don’t have any patience whatsoever.

Cucu was slaughtered for a good 18 months. Not too many dissenting voices now.

Enzo the same although he’s only at the beginning of his upward trajectory just now but the last month has been a real improvement.

Jackson gets the same.

Felix has been written off too but is beginning to show what’s required.

We need to be patient with these guys.

19 hours ago, STATS said:

Well, Haaland would not score a goal like that too. How many goals as Haaland scored from range or when he is not being served on a plate? Isak may be better but not a massive upgrade imo.

Personally, I'm not wanting to see a massive upgrade. There are no massive upgrades in 99% of the top European clubs. What I'm looking for is a class above at a similar profile. Nkunku is a better footballer than Jackson - better finisher, better with his body in duels etc, but he's the wrong profile for the position. Find me those same attributes but in a striker who can do what Maresca wants or... stick with Jackson.

Will be missing the game tomorrow as at the F1 and then Muse concert afterwards…. 

….but fear not, normal service will be resumed on Monday once I have had the chance to watch the replay - and when I will be back on here, either a) rubbing it in after another sh*t performance or b) taking my medicine after a game winning display. I know where my money is (literally in this case - unlike many others who have not signed up to put their money where their mouth is)