43 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Can't believe people are defending this guy and arguing a case for him to play.

He is rubbish. His performance yesterday was at the level he has played for most of the season - the recent uptick in performance has been the anomaly.

 

Who plays instead of him now then?

In the current team. 

First season in the Premier league. Today we talk about total footballer but his primary job is to put the ball in the net. 

No one in the team has scored more goals than him. Even Palmer who is playing his 4th season in the Premier league. Sure only few minutes here and there in City's colours but he is no newbie. 

Jackson is raw. He will get better in other aspects of his game. It doesn't happen overnight and if some people can't see that he is already progressing in some areas that caused frustration previously then it's sad. 

 

For me, he is a poor, poor man's Thierry Henry.  

Every game he does something amazing with some impressive skill but then does something s*** in the same move... Normally not releasing the ball with a teammate in acres of space.

He's had a strong end to the season in terms of numbers but a I am a little concerned that the MDs will say no new striker needed.  I'd feel better about this if we could rely on Nkunku remaining fit but that is never going to happen.  Personally, I'd say to the MDs, get rid of Sterling, Jackson replaces Sterling in the squad and therefore we free up a space for a central striker.

 

Moratta, for all his talent, would have gone into protective custody long before there was a chance to nod one in at the back post.

He had a stinker, but showed up when it mattered. He has everything required to be a top player, needs some love and some time to mature. Noni, who many were ready to anoint as the new Robben last week, was far worse in my opinion.

If we could access the old CSR archives I'm 99% sure that we would have seen very similar comments around drogba and these day's I watch more You tube clips of the great man then I care to admit.  I'm not saying Jackson becomes drogba or even close, but If i'd offered you 14 goals (17 in all competitions) and counting at the start of the season for a 22 year old with very little top flight expirence you'd have snapped my hand off. Anelka's best haul for us was 19 btw.... "oh but he doesn't score big goals" **cough cough spluter JFH**

4 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

Never stops running - he can't be easy to play against.  Overall a good first season in PL, and much to work on.  There is a player in there. 

There is a player in there. Unfortunately I don't think there is a brain in there though. Decent squad option but don't believe he will ever be top class. 

My man. I just love this guy. 

4 hours ago, abister1 said:

Who plays instead of him now then?

In the current team. 

First season in the Premier league. Today we talk about total footballer but his primary job is to put the ball in the net. 

No one in the team has scored more goals than him. Even Palmer who is playing his 4th season in the Premier league. Sure only few minutes here and there in City's colours but he is no newbie. 

Jackson is raw. He will get better in other aspects of his game. It doesn't happen overnight and if some people can't see that he is already progressing in some areas that caused frustration previously then it's sad. 

 

I couldn't care less who plays instead of him. A kid, a women, a broom - all better options. 

He is more often than not a hinderance to our attacks. He mostly chooses the wrong pass. When through he mostly fluffs his lines.  He also cost us a goal conceded yesterday. 

He is rubbish. And comes across as a brain dead moron with 2 left feet. 

Can't understand the criticism.

He was playing lone striker against a team with 4 at the back and 5 in midfield. He's not perfect but for a 22 year old playing his first season in the Prem he's done extremely well and is getting better and better. 14 league goals now - that's more non penalty goals this season than Mo Salah!

No striker has a great game every time - but he still popped up and scored the winner! I think Nico is fantastic. 

5 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Can't understand the criticism.

He was playing lone striker against a team with 4 at the back and 5 in midfield. He's not perfect but for a 22 year old playing his first season in the Prem he's done extremely well and is getting better and better. 14 league goals now - that's more non penalty goals this season than Mo Salah!

No striker has a great game every time - but he still popped up and scored the winner! I think Nico is fantastic. 

I don't think he is fantastic.

We could have so many more goals if he just passed in time.. I'm not sure he has a footballing brain and being selfish isn't any good if you can't finish. I know he has scored a few but a decent striker would have scored twice as many considering all the chances we create 

Edited May 12, 20242 yr by guddy69

10 minutes ago, guddy69 said:

I don't think he is fantastic.

We could have so many more goals if he just passed in time.. I'm not sure he has a footballing brain and being selfish isn't any good if you can't finish. I know he has scored a few but a decent striker would have scored twice as many considering all the chances we create 

You're absolutely right - his finishing has been dreadful at times this season, but he's improving and will keep doing so. I look forward to seeing him in 3-4 years time. Kid could be a beast.

Difference between him and the other strikers who’s not made it here is mentality. Seems like he’s not letting fan abuse get to his head.

Morata and the others would miss and miss and sulk because of it. Jackson just keeps going and reaps the rewards. Top lad and great talent!

This stupid football brain crap needs to stop.

People see this sh*t being said online and run with it.

United spend £80 million on a dude who has score half the goals Jackson has but doesn’t get half the same level of media attention.

Stop playing into the hands of sports media who just want to drive a negative narrative around Chelsea and its players.

He is  10th highest scorer in the league most of those above him like Saka take penalties. Does anyone think had we kept Kai Havertz who in making 91 PL appearances at Chelsea scored just 19.

 

He is still very young and enjoying his first season in the PL. Of course he is no where near the finished product but bear in mind in Drogbas 9 seasons at the club he only scored more in the league  than Jackson has this season on two occasions.

A lot of the criticism is because he gets on the end of things his pace and willingness to run means he provides opportunities that for many a season just hasn’t been there

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

I couldn't care less who plays instead of him. A kid, a women, a broom - all better options. 

He is more often than not a hinderance to our attacks. He mostly chooses the wrong pass. When through he mostly fluffs his lines.  He also cost us a goal conceded yesterday. 

He is rubbish. And comes across as a brain dead moron with 2 left feet. 

22 years old, first season in league. 17 goals. 15 goals in league bare in mind he has spent a month away due to AFCON. He isn't perfect but he works hard, dribbles past players, draws fouls, links up well with players. Just 3 goals of 20 which would be a very good return

But let's call him rubbish. Such a fickle view. He isn't perfect, but anyone calling him rubbish are just short-sighted. Give him credit where it is due.

I've never been a big fan of Jackson but I tend to agree that some of the criticism is OTT.

He isn't remotely ready to lead the line for us and I'm not convinced he ever will be. His finishing can be erratic however his stats aren't at all bad for his first season in a side that has flattered to deceive. 

I fully agree that his ability to spot a pass when he is in possession is woeful but I don't agree that he hasn't got a football brain. He actually makes a lot more decent runs off the ball than he gets credit for.

He is a bit unfortunate in that I don't think he was ever bought with the intention of him being a week in week out starter as a centre forward. However injuries to Nkunku and the fact that Broja was, well sh*te, meant he was thrust into the role earlier than anticipated.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

I couldn't care less who plays instead of him. A kid, a women, a broom - all better options. 

He is more often than not a hinderance to our attacks. He mostly chooses the wrong pass. When through he mostly fluffs his lines.  He also cost us a goal conceded yesterday. 

He is rubbish. And comes across as a brain dead moron with 2 left feet. 

OK I get that. But that means you're just having a moan without really offering up any realistic options or solutions. 

I get some people like to have a moan and you're entitled one but I'm genuinely asking what our options are at the moment and for you to tell me, with all the flaws he has, who amongst our current squad should play that role and will do it better. 

You have a player, his job is to score goals, he is doing his job, out of 200 footballers, using only first 11s and excluding goalkeepers he is no 11 on score chart. 

Let's go back to 12/13 season and check what our top goal scorers have produced.

12/13 lampard with 15

13/14 Hazard with 14. 

14/15 Costa with 20

15/16 Costa with 12

16/17 Costa with 20

17/18 Hazard with 12

18/19 Hazard with 16

19/20 Tammy 15

20/21 Jorginho 7

21/22 Mount 11

22/23 Havertz 7

23/24 Palmer 21

Now in all of those seasons how many times did other players score up to or over 14 goals Nico has?  Once. 

Eden Hazard in 14/15. 

Let's dive in deeper a bit. In all of those seasons if we take away goals from the penalty spot how many players have surpassed his goals? Two. 

Costa in 14/15 (though without PK he scored 19) and 16/17 and Tammy in 19/20.

Anyway I get your right to not like him and also have what in my view and based on facts is an irrational moan. Because your moaning is all sentimental and not based on any concrete objective evidence as I've put forward. As good as we think we have been, even going back quite a bit we have not been blessed with goal scorers in the team. 

We have a "fresh off the boat" striker, and sorry I use that but I'm tired of finding different ways to illustrate to make it clear,  who has done better than most of our strikers and players in over a decade but you scorn and despise him so much. 

I agree he is poor in some areas and could be better. When the 22yr old he is begins to gain experience and improves his over all game, if the goal numbers come up as well we might well be looking at a regular 20 goal a season striker. 

I am not sure why he is so hated amongst some of our fan base when he is doing his job. Really baffles me. 

5 hours ago, Chris Gundleton said:

He's had a strong end to the season in terms of numbers but a I am a little concerned that the MDs will say no new striker needed.  I'd feel better about this if we could rely on Nkunku remaining fit but that is never going to happen.  Personally, I'd say to the MDs, get rid of Sterling, Jackson replaces Sterling in the squad and therefore we free up a space for a central striker.

 

My own fear is that we cast him out and get a striker we think will deliver and doesn't. Did we not just spend £100m on a striker a few seasons ago that was meant to be our final piece? 

Objectively considered he has delivered better than most we have had over a decade and if we can just get others around him scoring uo to 75% of his numbers, if he has a similar output then we are OK with our goal scoring. 

We've not particularly had it great, or as good as Nico is giving us in terms of scoring so I'm not sure why we look at it with such derision. 

The lack of footballing brain argument seems to centre around decision making, he’ll try a fancy flick when he has time to keep the ball, and he’ll keep the ball when he has no time.Go and watch his clips from the Spanish league, heck even watch pre season. The things he is getting wrong now, he was getting right then. 
 

The lad is 22 years old, first year in what is known as the hardest league in the world and playing in one of the poorest chelsea teams for decades. He’s returned 14 goals and 5 assists and that’s without all the of the missed chances that he’s been slated for. There’s a player in there I’m sure of it. He’s still finding his feet.
 

He’s already shown progression in getting his bookings under control, he’s definitely more clinical recently and he’s got the arrogance of a bloke who’s going to make it. The type of arrogance we haven’t seen since we had Costa or Drogba.

Everyone loved Timo cause he seemed like a nice bloke. So nice that he hid whenever things would go wrong and we all felt a bit sorry for him. Nico seems like a bit of a twat, we saw that with the penalty issue the other week. But sometimes a striker needs to be a twat, I hope he proves a lot of people wrong.

He is a beast, other teams would pay 60 to 100M for a 22 year old thats got 17 goals in all comps with no penalties, imagine him at 26 years old.. 

Without Jackson we look a different team trust me people dont realise the impact he has

Even if hes not playing ST hes a very good LW

2 hours ago, abister1 said:

OK I get that. But that means you're just having a moan without really offering up any realistic options or solutions. 

I get some people like to have a moan and you're entitled one but I'm genuinely asking what our options are at the moment and for you to tell me, with all the flaws he has, who amongst our current squad should play that role and will do it better. 

You have a player, his job is to score goals, he is doing his job, out of 200 footballers, using only first 11s and excluding goalkeepers he is no 11 on score chart. 

Let's go back to 12/13 season and check what our top goal scorers have produced.

12/13 lampard with 15

13/14 Hazard with 14. 

14/15 Costa with 20

15/16 Costa with 12

16/17 Costa with 20

17/18 Hazard with 12

18/19 Hazard with 16

19/20 Tammy 15

20/21 Jorginho 7

21/22 Mount 11

22/23 Havertz 7

23/24 Palmer 21

Now in all of those seasons how many times did other players score up to or over 14 goals Nico has?  Once. 

Eden Hazard in 14/15. 

Let's dive in deeper a bit. In all of those seasons if we take away goals from the penalty spot how many players have surpassed his goals? Two. 

Costa in 14/15 (though without PK he scored 19) and 16/17 and Tammy in 19/20.

Anyway I get your right to not like him and also have what in my view and based on facts is an irrational moan. Because your moaning is all sentimental and not based on any concrete objective evidence as I've put forward. As good as we think we have been, even going back quite a bit we have not been blessed with goal scorers in the team. 

We have a "fresh off the boat" striker, and sorry I use that but I'm tired of finding different ways to illustrate to make it clear,  who has done better than most of our strikers and players in over a decade but you scorn and despise him so much. 

I agree he is poor in some areas and could be better. When the 22yr old he is begins to gain experience and improves his over all game, if the goal numbers come up as well we might well be looking at a regular 20 goal a season striker. 

I am not sure why he is so hated amongst some of our fan base when he is doing his job. Really baffles me. 

 

Funny thing is I guarantee you if we get a striker like Osimhen, you will have a huge section of fans criticizing him for not working hard enough and being a goal hanger and hurting the general team balance. 

2 hours ago, abister1 said:

OK I get that. But that means you're just having a moan without really offering up any realistic options or solutions. 

I get some people like to have a moan and you're entitled one but I'm genuinely asking what our options are at the moment and for you to tell me, with all the flaws he has, who amongst our current squad should play that role and will do it better. 

You have a player, his job is to score goals, he is doing his job, out of 200 footballers, using only first 11s and excluding goalkeepers he is no 11 on score chart. 

Let's go back to 12/13 season and check what our top goal scorers have produced.

12/13 lampard with 15

13/14 Hazard with 14. 

14/15 Costa with 20

15/16 Costa with 12

16/17 Costa with 20

17/18 Hazard with 12

18/19 Hazard with 16

19/20 Tammy 15

20/21 Jorginho 7

21/22 Mount 11

22/23 Havertz 7

23/24 Palmer 21

Now in all of those seasons how many times did other players score up to or over 14 goals Nico has?  Once. 

Eden Hazard in 14/15. 

Let's dive in deeper a bit. In all of those seasons if we take away goals from the penalty spot how many players have surpassed his goals? Two. 

Costa in 14/15 (though without PK he scored 19) and 16/17 and Tammy in 19/20.

Anyway I get your right to not like him and also have what in my view and based on facts is an irrational moan. Because your moaning is all sentimental and not based on any concrete objective evidence as I've put forward. As good as we think we have been, even going back quite a bit we have not been blessed with goal scorers in the team. 

We have a "fresh off the boat" striker, and sorry I use that but I'm tired of finding different ways to illustrate to make it clear,  who has done better than most of our strikers and players in over a decade but you scorn and despise him so much. 

I agree he is poor in some areas and could be better. When the 22yr old he is begins to gain experience and improves his over all game, if the goal numbers come up as well we might well be looking at a regular 20 goal a season striker. 

I am not sure why he is so hated amongst some of our fan base when he is doing his job. Really baffles me. 

 

I have been very clear why I dislike him.

- I dislike his attitude on the pitch, the fact that he cannot control himself, the silly bookings for dissent, the whinging, the bickering with opposing players.

- I dislike his behaviour off the pitch, the regular hair changes, the sob storys about playing bare foot into his teens, the begging for naked pictures from some only fans tart.

- I dislike that he is a hindrance to so many of our attacks, either by failing to score sitters, by failing to spot an easy pass, for a heavy touch, or by holding on to the ball selfishly for too long.

- I dislike his attitude to his team mates - fighting for the ball for the penalty and being disruptive, and then having to be forced to join the celebrations.

- I dislike his face, one that only a mother could love.

- I dislike that he costs us goals conceded, like forests first yesterday. 

I fully accept that my dislike of him is probably irrational and fully appreciate the view of others that I am over exaggerating. He has scored a few goals - as others have said, a good return for his first season in the league. i maintain that he is rubbish.

To answer your question, I would play anyone else up front other than him. Sterling, Mudryk,Madueke, malang sarr - I don't really care. With like for like opportunities, I think any professional football player in our squad would all have scored as many goals as Jackson has, given the huge (huge) number of chances he has been served up on a plate this season. And they would likely have done so without the negatives.

 

 

Edited May 12, 20242 yr by nonotnowjim

14 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I have been very clear why I dislike him.

- I dislike his attitude on the pitch, the fact that he cannot control himself, the silly bookings for dissent, the whinging, the bickering with opposing players.

- I dislike his behaviour off the pitch, the regular hair changes, the sob storys about playing bare foot into his teens, the begging for naked pictures from some only fans tart.

- I dislike that he is a hindrance to so many of our attacks, either by failing to score sitters, by failing to spot an easy pass, for a heavy touch, or by holding on to the ball selfishly for too long.

- I dislike his attitude to his team mates - fighting for the ball for the penalty and being disruptive, and then having to be forced to join the celebrations.

- I dislike his face, one that only a mother could love.

- I dislike that he costs us goals conceded, like forests first yesterday. 

I fully accept that my dislike of him is probably irrational and fully appreciate the view of others that I am over exaggerating. He has scored a few goals - as others have said, a good return for his first season in the league. i maintain that he is rubbish.

To answer your question, I would play anyone else up front other than him. Sterling, Mudryk,Madueke, malang sarr - I don't really care. With like for like opportunities, I think any professional football player in our squad would all have scored as many goals as Jackson has, given the huge (huge) number of chances he has been served up on a plate this season. And they would likely have done so without the negatives.

 

 

OK. In other words not constructive. 

I was going to start to go over your points one by one. But then I realised it's a waste of my time. 

You're just in bitch mode. 

19 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

With like for like opportunities, I think any professional football player in our squad would all have scored as many goals as Jackson has, given the huge (huge) number of chances he has been served up on a plate this season. And they would likely have done so without the negatives.

A very foolish take if I ever saw one. At your age and with the amount of Chelsea teams you've seen in the premier league era, a lot without the so called negatives as you have put them, only Costa, Tammy, Drogba, JFH, Eidur, Zola and Anelka have scored more open play goals than him yet you bury your head in the sand and allow hatred to blind you. 

Lost case, I give up. 

1 hour ago, abister1 said:

A very foolish take if I ever saw one. At your age and with the amount of Chelsea teams you've seen in the premier league era, a lot without the so called negatives as you have put them, only Costa, Tammy, Drogba, JFH, Eidur, Zola and Anelka have scored more open play goals than him yet you bury your head in the sand and allow hatred to blind you. 

Lost case, I give up. 

I have clearly explained why I dislike him - in spite of the goals he has scored. 

I also accept others will see this as irrational... I am ok with that.

We all have opinions - I there has not been another striker that I have disliked as much as him, in a long time. Chris Sutton perhaps?

2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I have clearly explained why I dislike him - in spite of the goals he has scored. 

I also accept others will see this as irrational... I am ok with that.

We all have opinions - I there has not been another striker that I have disliked as much as him, in a long time. Chris Sutton perhaps?

Fair enough. 

I’ve slagged him til the cows come home this season, the high point of my criticism the pen incident. But since then he’s got his head down and worked for the team. He’s still missing sitters but ALL strikers do even the very best. but it’s the mentality to keep on trying that counts and he has that. He’s not an elite striker and may never become one, his flaws at his age may prevent that, but with some good coaching he has good potential. 14 EPL goals ! I for one would not have placed a wager on that amount at the turn of the year. He may even get nearer to 20 🤞🏻