3 minutes ago, RMH said:

And it wasn’t even the first time! They’d scored very similarly earlier on but was off side! So pathetic…

The way our defenders stood off and watched while the hapless Mudryk was outjumped by Van Dijk.

The coordination involved for everyone to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Really takes some doing to be that incompetent.

 

 

So I have had to watch it recorded tonight as I had to do a four hour drive whilst the game was on, so apologies if I am repeating what may have been said already.

What a fking appalling performance from a sub standard, mentally lazy and unfit collection of players. Worst game I have seen from Palmer in a Chelsea shirt. Gusto could barely keep the ball on the pitch. Fernandez' care of the ball was poor all game. Jackson, pointless. Mudryk and Madueke laughable. Caicedo just has nothing about him on the ball.

For me Petrovic was the only bright point from the game.

Although the result is as expected because this crap manager is a born loser, the performance for me, where all we ever wanted to do was give the ball back to them at every minute is what pi$$e$ me off more.

1 hour ago, MyWord said:

What was Enzos backheel? 

Lazy and in keeping with the rest of his and the team's performance today. sh*t

Also, at no stage during that game did I ever think that we would score. We never looked like scoring, yet again.

3 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

What a terrible strategy, if true.  The day we stop wanting to win a game in any sense of normal time is the day the club loses its identity.  Can you imagine any Pep, Klopp, Arteta side doing that, or Real, Barca, Milan, Roma, Celtic, Rangers, Sevilla, Ath. Madrid - the list goes on, ever accepting that.

The point is that this is Poch all season. It's by far the biggest complaint. Do you think Klopp, or Guardiola or Postecoglou would be saying play for penalties. It just sends such a negative message to young players. Sigh. We had good chances to win the game. If there is one positive it's that Nkunku looked reasonable, far better than against City.

I will also cut the plays enough slack to say that the first cup final is likely very hard. A number of surprising lack of control from some players. Still Chillwell and Enzo have played big games before.

I can't get my head around us deciding to play for the lottery of penalties with 30 minutes against a bunch of teenagers. That's what you do if you're Wycombe Wanderers, down to 10 men. It's a disgrace.

1 hour ago, Dr. Socrates said:

The way our defenders stood off and watched while the hapless Mudryk was outjumped by Van Dijk.

The coordination involved for everyone to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Really takes some doing to be that incompetent.

 

 

To be fair not sure Mudryk trying to outjump Van Dijk was always going to end well. He wasn’t his to mark surely 

7 minutes ago, Petworth Chelsea Fan said:

To be fair not sure Mudryk trying to outjump Van Dijk was always going to end well. He wasn’t his to mark surely 

Yeah. That’s my point. How did it get to that? Who was supposed to be marking him? It’s not like we hadn’t been warned already. 

5 minutes ago, Dr. Socrates said:

Yeah. That’s my point. How did it get to that? Who was supposed to be marking him? It’s not like we hadn’t been warned already. 

It was Disasi that lost him! I knew knives would be out for Mudryk when I saw it, but he’d never win an aerial duel like that! That was down to Disasi, he should’ve tracked better! I don’t actually think Mudryk knew too much about it!

Played for the penalty ( whether confirmed by Poch or just through observation), conceded a late goal sounds fair for being so negative. Liverpool had very limited options, it's not like Salah was tearing us apart.  They should be playing for PK instead of us, of course a good manager like Klopp would never go there. It's not necessarily Chalobah's fault, but Poch played Chaloabah  twice to see out a game in about a week, and both times failed spectacularly. You play a defender to see out a game, at least ensure he's physically and mentally ready for it. If that was some kind of offensive move to score a goal from the back, maybe I missed it completely

1 hour ago, Dr. Socrates said:

Yeah. That’s my point. How did it get to that? Who was supposed to be marking him? It’s not like we hadn’t been warned already. 

 

1 hour ago, Modueke said:

It was Disasi that lost him! I knew knives would be out for Mudryk when I saw it, but he’d never win an aerial duel like that! That was down to Disasi, he should’ve tracked better! I don’t actually think Mudryk knew too much about it!

Yup was indeed Disasi. 

Was happy flappin his gums beforehand, like Gusto and others, but when time came to walk the walk he not only failed his day job he missed a sitter to win it for us beforehand.

Excellent analysis of what Poch said after the game:

 

 

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

 

Yup was indeed Disasi. 

Was happy flappin his gums beforehand, like Gusto and others, but when time came to walk the walk he not only failed his day job he missed a sitter to win it for us beforehand.

😭😭😭

It was a front post run. The ball should never ever reach VVD in that height. 

Edited February 26, 20242 yr by Bob stark

3 hours ago, RMH said:

Back home from a great day out spoiled by a disastrous tactical set up by our coach. I’m lost for words, don’t know what to say, really. At this point, I’m just thinking whether it’s worthwhile going on Wednesday (against Leeds!) and Saturday to Brentford. I’m not sure I want to follow a Spurs look alike, we should be Chelsea!

Honestly feel bad for proper fans like you, who spend hard earned money to go watch that.

Firstly all the awful attempts to score sitters for various, highly paid players.

And second for that whiny attitude in extra time. Oh were Conor and Chilli tired, aww didums. Why are they so tired? No European football, far less games than Pool, Klopp needing to play kids who played stoke under 21s recently and yet Diaz can keep running and running and running.

This cup was our season, and we were tired and wanted pens? What are you doing in training, or not doing, that they are so tired? Or what are they doing in their own time?

They could not be bothered to sacrifice themselves for our season, for fans like @RMHand the many others who spent a fortune to go and support them and now, until the end of time, are taunted by Liverpool fans how we bottled it against their C side and youth team, that they have spirit and our manufactured team and club don't have any, anymore, and you lot proved them right!

Disgrace.

If you want to blame poch, blame his lack of trust on our youth as I have been saying all season. Not whatever  tactical or mentality analysis that people use here 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

We created more chances than pool, and should have won but we couldn't score (nothing new). 

Extra time, players are tired, the team dropped off. Everyone who screamed that is tactical decision is 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫. Just play football in a park, when you get super tired you automatically drop off. There is no screaming, speech or  x n o magic that can help you. The only thing that can reverse this is fresh leg. 

What poch should have done is incorporate kids earlier so he can bring them in. 

 

Edited February 26, 20242 yr by Bob stark

One player we could have used against city and pool is clearly Borja. 😂😂😂

 

28 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Extra time, players are tired, the team dropped off. Everyone who screamed that is tactical decision is 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫. Just play football in a park, when you get super tired you automatically drop off. There is no screaming, speech or  x n o magic that can help you. The only thing that can reverse this is fresh leg. 

Bollocks. 
 

We finished the 2nd half strong. On the front foot. We were favorites heading into extra time. There were no signs of fatigue anywhere. Poch then pulled Jackson, Chilwell, and Gallagher and conceded extra time because as per usual, he sh*ts himself. He always has. Counter attacking football against kids. 
 

And even if I did believe you. The team was fatigued. Why? We had a week and a half off? Liverpool played midweek and had far more matches than we have. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Bollocks. 
 

We finished the 2nd half strong. On the front foot. We were favorites heading into extra time. There were no signs of fatigue anywhere. Poch then pulled Jackson, Chilwell, and Gallagher and conceded extra time because as per usual, he sh*ts himself. He always has. Counter attacking football against kids. 
 

And even if I did believe you. The team was fatigued. Why? We had a week and a half off? Liverpool played midweek and had far more matches than we have. 

I'd be surprised if any of those 3 players asked to be subbed. I know Gallagher does cover a lot of ground in 90 mins compared with many, but he would have wanted to stay on. That being said, regardless of who was subbed I think part of the issue was the options on our bench. Nkunku, Mudryk and Madueke would have been understandable options for the attacking 3, but we had a c ouple of academy guys for midfield and they had never played for the first team. The fact that Madueke came on for Gallagher confirms that those academy players were only there to make up the numbers. Once Gallagher came off our midfield was unbalanced, and we gave the initiative back to Liverpool. With the Chilwell sub surely Gilchrist would have been a better option, even if we moved Gusto to LB at that point? Chalobah had barely played in over a year, and this was hardly the time to throw him in.

Ah my Liverpool supporting mates have had their say.

They don't care they won a "third rate cup", what they do quite enjoy that they beat our "manufactured club with their kids and backups, and ended our season while theirs has just begun".

They also loved shoving it to Caicedo and Enzo.

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Bollocks. 
 

We finished the 2nd half strong. On the front foot. We were favorites heading into extra time. There were no signs of fatigue anywhere. Poch then pulled Jackson, Chilwell, and Gallagher and conceded extra time because as per usual, he sh*ts himself. He always has. Counter attacking football against kids. 
 

And even if I did believe you. The team was fatigued. Why? We had a week and a half off? Liverpool played midweek and had far more matches than we have. I

Why do poch sub out Gallagher 5 min into extra time? Nobody do this unless the player is absolutely gassed. 

If we want to compete it was so obvious we needed more leg in midfield (Chalobah or the two kids that I will not pretend to know anything about need to replace him). If you're not going this route, you need to go defensive. 

Why pool looks fresher? I don't know, maybe their player have better stamina. I probably only watched pool play 5 times this season and Klopp used 6 subs instead of 4 subs that Poch used. 

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 20242 yr by Bob stark

9 hours ago, abigsmurf said:

I think nothing sums up our playstyle than when we were on a break forward (I think in extra time but late on) and a not-great ball was played to the middle in front of two attacking players and rather than strive to run onto and challenge for it, both players simply gave it up with the player who put in the ball throwing his arms up. Can't remember the players involved as I'm trying to wipe today from my memory.

There were more examples in the match but ultimately, whilst there's a great argument for our players being unorganised by a hapless coach, he's only part to blame, we've a bunch of players who bottle even the slightest bit of physicality.

I was in the crowd and know exactly the moment you are talking of. The dribbling run by Madueke was excellent and you are right, his ball, sliced diagonally across the Liverpool box wasn't the greatest, BUT it still went into the danger area and the attacking players didn't bust a guy to get on the end of it. They just gave up. 

43 pages of 👆 or

I go with Thiago.

3 hours ago, forbzy said:

I'd be surprised if any of those 3 players asked to be subbed. I know Gallagher does cover a lot of ground in 90 mins compared with many, but he would have wanted to stay on. That being said, regardless of who was subbed I think part of the issue was the options on our bench. Nkunku, Mudryk and Madueke would have been understandable options for the attacking 3, but we had a c ouple of academy guys for midfield and they had never played for the first team. The fact that Madueke came on for Gallagher confirms that those academy players were only there to make up the numbers. Once Gallagher came off our midfield was unbalanced, and we gave the initiative back to Liverpool. With the Chilwell sub surely Gilchrist would have been a better option, even if we moved Gusto to LB at that point? Chalobah had barely played in over a year, and this was hardly the time to throw him in.

 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Why do poch sub out Gallagher 5 min into extra time? Nobody do this unless the player is absolutely gassed. 

If we want to compete it was so obvious we needed more leg in midfield (Chalobah or the two kids that I will not pretend to know anything about need to replace him). If you're not going this route, you need to go defensive. 

Why pool looks fresher? I don't know, maybe their player have better stamina. I probably only watched pool play 5 times this season and Klopp used 6 subs instead of 4 subs that Poch used. 

 

 

 

I have to assume Casedi was injured and couldn't make the bench. Klopp timed his subs well and he brought on midfield energy. Gallagher, Enzo and Caicedo don't ever get a rest. Sure we are only playing one game a week, except when we play two, but those guys have to be spelled a bit. 

Its the same against Citi except this time at least Madueke and Mudryck got a few minutes.

If Poch had rotated Gallagher out earlier in the season we'd be more able to do it in this game without screwing the flow. But incredibly I agree to an extent with Bob Stark  we needed fresh legs in midfield but there were zero bench options to do that. Even bringing Palmer or Nkunku back to 10, something I have been advocated for all season and leaving Jackson on might have produced better results. Chalobah has played in midfield before.

One way and another the decisions Klopp was able to make during the game worked and we ended the game stuffed and defending the penalty area, like the City game.

23 minutes ago, ozboy said:

 

I have to assume Casedi was injured and couldn't make the bench.

Cup tied perhaps ? Had he already played in the competition for Leicester ? 

13 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Throughout the match, we must have given away possession in our own half nearly 100 times. Disasi had about 5 loose touches that gave away chances to Liverpool. 

The players looked scared, even when we had periods of more control, we shat the bed and missed like 3 sitters and plenty of other chances to score but a player would choke anytime it came to making the correct decision.

Extra time was just pitiful. Stopped playing completely and got humiliated by 4 kids that have barely kicked a ball at this level. This lot choked so badly and humiliated themselves, again.

Okk wow that sounds worse than usual...