3 minutes ago, evissy said:

I don't think the League table position should settle that. I think the improvement has to be shown on the entire team and individual players. No player to me is worse under him. Some players won't fit in his system but that is normal when you always decide to get a new coach. It takes a couple of transfer windows to reach the point where the squad is fitting to the needs. This alone is a reason I like him to get another season.

We know Petrovic is coming to goal which hopefully improves that, we are looking for a striker and hopefully find a good one. A couple of young exciting players join in in Santos and Estevao.

Two more signings and he should have a good basis to do well

This is a contradiction, no? Doesn't matter the reason, fact is there are players who are worse under him. I would argue majority have either not improved or stagnated.

18 hours ago, Zeta said:

If you think that you must be able to point to areas we've progressed? What are they?

I notice he never bothers to answer these questions, just keeps on waffling.

33 minutes ago, evissy said:

No player to me is worse under him.

Palmer & James, our two most influential and talented players both have regressed massively under this management/tactical system.

I’d personally go as far to say the only player to actively improve under Maresca is Cucurella.

The rest have stagnated in their development or regressed.

Sanchez - Is Sanchez.

Cucurella - Definite improvement.

Colwill - Regressed but potentially down to lack of a seasoned professional next to him

Fofana - Bust

Gusto - Regressed massively, arguably our worst player now after being on the brink of displacing RJ

James - Regressed, he’s not a CM!

Enzo - Stagnated, no improvement no regression.

Caiceido - Been WC since we signed him so no improvement or regression

Madueke - Regressed further at a point in his career he should be coming on leaps and bounds

Palmer - Fallen off a cliff after being POTS last year

Jackson - Lost cause

38 minutes ago, evissy said:

I don't think the League table position should settle that. I think the improvement has to be shown on the entire team and individual players. No player to me is worse under him. Some players won't fit in his system but that is normal when you always decide to get a new coach. It takes a couple of transfer windows to reach the point where the squad is fitting to the needs. This alone is a reason I like him to get another season.

We know Petrovic is coming to goal which hopefully improves that, we are looking for a striker and hopefully find a good one. A couple of young exciting players join in in Santos and Estevao.

Two more signings and he should have a good basis to do well

Progress should be visible on the pitch - but when asked, you were not able to say any area where we are better under Maresca than we were under previous managers.

He has not improved a single thing.

55 minutes ago, Zeta said:

I notice he never bothers to answer these questions, just keeps on waffling.

Why should I dissect everything? If we'd finish the chances we have at the rate we have had them no one would talk about any of this. It is Enzo's job to make it happen as well but he has such an inexperienced side. Look at Newcastles side. Experience and grit. We have youth. Still we are thereabouts with them fighting for same positions. Their coach as well is so experienced.

And there is no arguing about anything here as everyone always brings up Maresca in some negative way. Everything is his fault all the time.

This alone is a reason want him to continue to prove my theory right. At some point we need to be more mature as a club and have stability in coaches. And I don't see it as end all be all model, I just think it is in the culture of the club.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

No player to me is worse under him.

This is some insane rage bait at this point. I tip my hat to you.

12 minutes ago, evissy said:

Why should I dissect everything? If we'd finish the chances we have at the rate we have had them no one would talk about any of this. It is Enzo's job to make it happen as well but he has such an inexperienced side. Look at Newcastles side. Experience and grit. We have youth. Still we are thereabouts with them fighting for same positions. Their coach as well is so experienced.

And there is no arguing about anything here as everyone always brings up Maresca in some negative way. Everything is his fault all the time.

This alone is a reason want him to continue to prove my theory right. At some point we need to be more mature as a club and have stability in coaches. And I don't see it as end all be all model, I just think it is in the culture of the club.

Other people have dissected why they don't see improvement in great detail, I don't see why you can't if you believe otherwise.

In regards to the bolded comment this applies to Lampard and Poch too. It's not Maresca specific so it's pretty pointless to bring up as a defence when no one said the same for them.

It reads as you care more about stability so are using that to make up reasons for Maresca to stay longer, which for someone who said they aren't even a fan of his comes across as strange. I would love for Maresca and the club to prove me wrong and we go on to be successful and stable together. The issue is I don't see the signs of this happening under this manager, the only thing I look forward to are the players coming in next season but then I remember they will be restricted under this system.

1 hour ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Palmer & James, our two most influential and talented players both have regressed massively under this management/tactical system.

I’d personally go as far to say the only player to actively improve under Maresca is Cucurella.

The rest have stagnated in their development or regressed.

Sanchez - Is Sanchez.

Cucurella - Definite improvement.

Colwill - Regressed but potentially down to lack of a seasoned professional next to him

Fofana - Bust

Gusto - Regressed massively, arguably our worst player now after being on the brink of displacing RJ

James - Regressed, he’s not a CM!

Enzo - Stagnated, no improvement no regression.

Caiceido - Been WC since we signed him so no improvement or regression

Madueke - Regressed further at a point in his career he should be coming on leaps and bounds

Palmer - Fallen off a cliff after being POTS last year

Jackson - Lost cause

Fernandez has improved for me. Him and Cucu are the only ones I would credit Maresca for.

Cucurella is largely carrying on the form he had under Pochettino and into the Euros. Caicedo is in a similar boat. Maresca would have to get credit for both, or neither. Lavia of course didn't exist last season.

Every other player is objectively and subjectively worse.

The idea that a manager at a top club should be 'learning' on the job is so laughable it doesn't require any serious thought. There is no benefit to getting an inexperienced manager, else Roman would have persevered with Lampard. There is certainly no financial benefit, the opportunity costs of missing CL, poor league position and the devaluation of players would far outweigh the cost "saving" of Maresca even if he were working for free.

Evissy is just spouting nonsense as usual.

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31 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

This is some insane rage bait at this point. I tip my hat to you.

It is a team sport. Enzo Fernandez for example is producing more in the system if you want to highlight a player. He is also one that the club needs to be on his best level as he is a big investment and has a high ceiling.

If Sanchez is sh*te it means Colwill can't perform well. If Colwill can't perform well it affects Enzo if Enzo is not supported well enough it affects Noni and other attackers.

You can see these arguments are pointless.

Why would we dissect everything if it clearly leads to nothing? You only get fuel to undermine Enzo which to me is a bit boring and something that 60% of every post in this forum is about.

I stick to my idea of it being better for Chelsea Football Club to stick to one coach for a while with these young players. And I am fine it being Enzo Maresca.

£4.25m to learn on the job with a 5 year contract.

Guaranteed £21.25m because he was mates with Pep. Some people are just lucky in life.

5 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

£4.25m to learn on the job with a 5 year contract.

Guaranteed £21.25m because he was mates with Pep. Some people are just lucky in life.

What do you think about Kompany?

8 minutes ago, evissy said:

What do you think about Kompany?

sh*te

12 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

£4.25m to learn on the job with a 5 year contract.

Guaranteed £21.25m because he was mates with Pep. Some people are just lucky in life.

I said that Maresca was a lucky manager on another thread but Evissy wasn't having any of it LOL

I couldn't be bothered to argue the point as I figured it was all so bloody obvious that it really wasn't necessary !

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

I said that Maresca was a lucky manager on another thread but Evissy wasn't having any of it LOL

I couldn't be bothered to argue the point as I figured it was all so bloody obvious that it really wasn't necessary !

Not sure it is luck if every week there is a new "surprising" result. I think it begins to be part of this league which is great for any neutral fan.

Conference League was part of last seasons story. He just happened to inherit that.

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4 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Palmer & James, our two most influential and talented players both have regressed massively under this management/tactical system.

I’d personally go as far to say the only player to actively improve under Maresca is Cucurella.

The rest have stagnated in their development or regressed.

Sanchez - Is Sanchez.

Cucurella - Definite improvement.

Colwill - Regressed but potentially down to lack of a seasoned professional next to him

Fofana - Bust

Gusto - Regressed massively, arguably our worst player now after being on the brink of displacing RJ

James - Regressed, he’s not a CM!

Enzo - Stagnated, no improvement no regression.

Caiceido - Been WC since we signed him so no improvement or regression

Madueke - Regressed further at a point in his career he should be coming on leaps and bounds

Palmer - Fallen off a cliff after being POTS last year

Jackson - Lost cause

I don't even want to give Cucurella to Maresca, because Cucurella improved right at the end of last season when Pochettino finally played him in a role that suited him, and then Spain did the same thing in the Euro's. Cucurella just carried that form into this season.

3 hours ago, evissy said:

It is a team sport. Enzo Fernandez for example is producing more in the system if you want to highlight a player. He is also one that the club needs to be on his best level as he is a big investment and has a high ceiling.

If Sanchez is sh*te it means Colwill can't perform well. If Colwill can't perform well it affects Enzo if Enzo is not supported well enough it affects Noni and other attackers.

You can see these arguments are pointless.

Why would we dissect everything if it clearly leads to nothing? You only get fuel to undermine Enzo which to me is a bit boring and something that 60% of every post in this forum is about.

I stick to my idea of it being better for Chelsea Football Club to stick to one coach for a while with these young players. And I am fine it being Enzo Maresca.

Its not about dissecting evissy - but about doing something that should be quite easy.

I didn't rate Tuchels football - but he came in, and we could all see IMMEDIATELY he shored up the defence.

I didn't rate Poch - but he came in, and after a short period, we could see that the team was scoring more

I didn't rate Sarriball - but he came in, and stamped an identity on the team.

Conte made a huge tactical tweak, changed the way we played, and we stormed the league.

Outside of this club - managers of Bournemouth, Forest, Newcastle, Villa have all had significant positive effects on their team over the last couple of seasons. Emery came in, and had villa competeting almost in an instant.

This isn't macro level football theory or an autopsy of our game... It is a simple question, which part of our game has Enzo improved? by failing to give any reasonable answer, your continued praise of him seems hollow and contrary. It shouldn't be difficult.

NNNJ

42 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I don't even want to give Cucurella to Maresca, because Cucurella improved right at the end of last season when Pochettino finally played him in a role that suited him, and then Spain did the same thing in the Euro's. Cucurella just carried that form into this season.

Too true! If you think about it, all he did was took Poch's (later) system, then went gung-ho on the inversions, slowed down the play with the passing backwards, which stifled Palmer of form and told Sanchez he'd get his P45 if he passed too long! Up the Chels!

8 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

small sh*t blonde lad and tall sh*t dark haired lad

Amen. Well the small sh*t blonde lad ended up at Tottenham and the tall, sh*t dark haired lad ended up at Arsenal along with the small, sh*t, slow Italian lad so hopefully we can pull it off again and get one of them to take the tall, sh*t, brainless Gambian lad.

Jackson and Werner up front for Tottenham would be too funny for words. A dream come true.

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

Its not about dissecting evissy - but about doing something that should be quite easy.

I didn't rate Tuchels football - but he came in, and we could all see IMMEDIATELY he shored up the defence.

I didn't rate Poch - but he came in, and after a short period, we could see that the team was scoring more

I didn't rate Sarriball - but he came in, and stamped an identity on the team.

Conte made a huge tactical tweak, changed the way we played, and we stormed the league.

Outside of this club - managers of Bournemouth, Forest, Newcastle, Villa have all had significant positive effects on their team over the last couple of seasons. Emery came in, and had villa competeting almost in an instant.

This isn't macro level football theory or an autopsy of our game... It is a simple question, which part of our game has Enzo improved? by failing to give any reasonable answer, your continued praise of him seems hollow and contrary. It shouldn't be difficult.

NNNJ

Where are those guys? Tuchel wasn't for the owners, Pochettino wasn't ready to play with the directors/owners, Sarri left after one season, Conte had 1 good season. And I don't want to slate any of them I liked and backed all of them.

But I want us to change the culture of the club in terms of coaches. All of them bar Sarri left the building burning more or less. We had to once again put in 200m to get players for the manager and make complicated arrangements with expensive national team level players.

Why not see this crop of players grow into a team, gain experience and go near the top? We have great building blocks and a couple of players short of a good side. In fact we are a good side already just not on the level the crest suggests.

I personally trust Enzo to guide them because I see the players are behind him and only talk well of him. Let's hear who do you want him to replace..

And I know these owners have been trigger-happy with coaches but giving 5 years to Enzo tells about something. And before you say Potter got 5 years as well we didn't have this plan and the directors to change the entire squad at that point.

I hope we see the benefits or a coach staying beyond one season in a club that has good resources to buy players.

I think Maresca has also learned a ton in the role. If he is smart he will adapt better to some situations. I also understand why he seems a bit rigid. He tries to teach players his system no matter they make mistakes applying it. Risky but necessary with young lads.

Guys, genuine question as I am genuinely interested in the response. No triggering here, promise.

I'm watching the DRSports Weekend Round up on YT at the moment.

If both managers were sacked at the end of the season, with the players at our disposal and with what we apparently have coming through, would you take Amorim as Chelsea boss next season.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Where are those guys? Tuchel wasn't for the owners, Pochettino wasn't ready to play with the directors/owners, Sarri left after one season, Conte had 1 good season. And I don't want to slate any of them I liked and backed all of them.

But I want us to change the culture of the club in terms of coaches. All of them bar Sarri left the building burning more or less. We had to once again put in 200m to get players for the manager and make complicated arrangements with expensive national team level players.

Why not see this crop of players grow into a team, gain experience and go near the top? We have great building blocks and a couple of players short of a good side. In fact we are a good side already just not on the level the crest suggests.

I personally trust Enzo to guide them because I see the players are behind him and only talk well of him. Let's hear who do you want him to replace..

And I know these owners have been trigger-happy with coaches but giving 5 years to Enzo tells about something. And before you say Potter got 5 years as well we didn't have this plan and the directors to change the entire squad at that point.

I hope we see the benefits or a coach staying beyond one season in a club that has good resources to buy players.

I think Maresca has also learned a ton in the role. If he is smart he will adapt better to some situations. I also understand why he seems a bit rigid. He tries to teach players his system no matter they make mistakes applying it. Risky but necessary with young lads.

I think Sarri left a "burning building" more than the other coaches you named. One of the most talented players we have ever had leaving and a player transfer ban starting. Come to think of it, it was probably one of his discarded cigarettes that started the fire!!!

He was one stubborn, joyless individual.

58 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Guys, genuine question as I am genuinely interested in the response. No triggering here, promise.

I'm watching the DRSports Weekend Round up on YT at the moment.

If both managers were sacked at the end of the season, with the players at our disposal and with what we apparently have coming through, would you take Amorim as Chelsea boss next season.

Would be a "No" for me.

Not a fan of these inflexible hipster "system" coaches. You basically have to change at least half the squad to get enough players in to "fit their system"

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

Would be a "No" for me.

Not a fan of these inflexible hipster "system" coaches. You basically have to change at least half the squad to get enough players in to "fit their system"

Think that's a very fair comment tbh.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Guys, genuine question as I am genuinely interested in the response. No triggering here, promise.

I'm watching the DRSports Weekend Round up on YT at the moment.

If both managers were sacked at the end of the season, with the players at our disposal and with what we apparently have coming through, would you take Amorim as Chelsea boss next season.

Considering most of the people here want Maresca sacked after likely finishing 5th-7th, I can't imagine what the reaction to Amorim finishing 16th/17th would be

Our squad is better than United's in my opinion but not by much