43 minutes ago, markpitts said:

Didn’t some fans want Estevao loaned out to Strasbourg when we signed him, to help him get used to European football.

Half the price of Gittens btw

19 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Nah I’ve already written him off.

Estevao looks 10x the player, cost half the price and apparently came from a ‘weaker’ league

Interesting view on Gittens a player who has played one game for us. Enlighten us with your reasoning.

Gittens has a lot of qualities Maresca likes in a winger so I wasn't all that surprised to see him start. Couple moments in the first half where he was actually taking players on but again, this set up isolates our wingers so much. Estevao did a bit better but when he was trying to dribble past 3 Palace players whilst neither Enzo or James/Gusto were overlapping/underlapping did my head in.

2 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Interesting view on Gittens a player who has played one game for us. Enlighten us with your reasoning.

Reasoning: this is a forum where players are consigned to the scrap heap after one game. Cf, Caicedo, etc.

4 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Interesting view on Gittens a player who has played one game for us. Enlighten us with your reasoning.

He’s essentially Madueke (who in the end turned out to be a low quality PL winger) from 3 years ago AND we’ve paid 60M for that.

So in essence we’re out of pocket (Madueke sold for 55?) and with an inferior player.

The learning curve from the Bundesliga, which is now more of a farmers league than Ligue 1, is so steep especially out wide where you don’t have a fraction of the time you do over there in the PL.

Also just watching him, Leverkusen was a bright moment but it was familiar opposition. Milan & Palace he had no touch, couldn’t beat a man and had a poor final ball, I don’t recall him having a shot so I’ll withhold judgement on that side of his game.

It’s nothing personal (although he does remind me of Jamie from Top Boy who I didn’t take to) and he MIGHT turn out OK but for that price tag and in a season that IMO we should be challenging for the title in we can’t afford to be ‘developing’ players like that in such important positions. I take the same stance with the Xavi Simons transfer for the record.

It’s why a Morgan Rogers/ Alejandro Garnacho double signing would have a much greater immediate (and therefore long term due to finances/pull) impact than a Jamie Gittens/ Xavi Simon’s recruitment.

Don’t even think the Arsenal fanbase are this reactive.

6 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

He’s essentially Madueke (who in the end turned out to be a low quality PL winger) from 3 years ago AND we’ve paid 60M for that.

So in essence we’re out of pocket (Madueke sold for 55?) and with an inferior player.

The learning curve from the Bundesliga, which is now more of a farmers league than Ligue 1, is so steep especially out wide where you don’t have a fraction of the time you do over there in the PL.

Also just watching him, Leverkusen was a bright moment but it was familiar opposition. Milan & Palace he had no touch, couldn’t beat a man and had a poor final ball, I don’t recall him having a shot so I’ll withhold judgement on that side of his game.

It’s nothing personal (although he does remind me of Jamie from Top Boy who I didn’t take to) and he MIGHT turn out OK but for that price tag and in a season that IMO we should be challenging for the title in we can’t afford to be ‘developing’ players like that in such important positions. I take the same stance with the Xavi Simons transfer for the record.

It’s why a Morgan Rogers/ Alejandro Garnacho double signing would have a much greater immediate (and therefore long term due to finances/pull) impact than a Jamie Gittens/ Xavi Simon’s recruitment.

Get a f**king grip.

25 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

He’s essentially Madueke (who in the end turned out to be a low quality PL winger) from 3 years ago AND we’ve paid 60M for that.

So in essence we’re out of pocket (Madueke sold for 55?) and with an inferior player.

The learning curve from the Bundesliga, which is now more of a farmers league than Ligue 1, is so steep especially out wide where you don’t have a fraction of the time you do over there in the PL.

Also just watching him, Leverkusen was a bright moment but it was familiar opposition. Milan & Palace he had no touch, couldn’t beat a man and had a poor final ball, I don’t recall him having a shot so I’ll withhold judgement on that side of his game.

It’s nothing personal (although he does remind me of Jamie from Top Boy who I didn’t take to) and he MIGHT turn out OK but for that price tag and in a season that IMO we should be challenging for the title in we can’t afford to be ‘developing’ players like that in such important positions. I take the same stance with the Xavi Simons transfer for the record.

It’s why a Morgan Rogers/ Alejandro Garnacho double signing would have a much greater immediate (and therefore long term due to finances/pull) impact than a Jamie Gittens/ Xavi Simon’s recruitment.

Oh you were actually serious....

🥴

5 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

You don’t spend 60M on someone to loan them.

Price tag is not his fault though. At the moment he looks better suited to a counter attacking team.

2 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Oh you were actually serious....

🥴

Oh deadly.

We’ve wasted 60M on a player who is further behind their development than Tyrique George, who cost us nothing and could make us a health few quid.

There’s just some weird obsession with Dortmund players, everyone thinks they’re getting the next Bellingham (we actually tried to get him from Brum, Dortmund did f**k all for him) and Haaland (again plenty of big clubs saw the potential and were in for him before the Dortmund move) when in fact you tend to end up with the next Sancho or Pulisic.

Like I said it’s nothing personal against Gittens, he could do with a loan for his development if his dream is the PL. It’s just with the money wasted we could’ve targeted someone like Morgan Roger’s who improves us immediately and doesn’t hamper our chances of lifting the title.

23 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Price tag is not his fault though. At the moment he looks better suited to a counter attacking team.

It’s not his fault but you don’t pay 60M for someone and loan them out. He’d probably do much better if we played faster, but the same can be said about all our wingers. Death by Maresca-ball.

I think it’s completely reactionary to say he’s inferior to George, he has played a lot of minutes in Germany and looked like a great talent and sure George might be a great player but he’s still quite a way behind gittens in his development.

I have previously said getting gittens who favours the left wing for madueke who is a right winger when we have estevao palmer and Neto who play there this season and from next season Quenda and Paez is a great for squad balance. After this weekend I’m not sure maresca will be tactically flexible anymore but lw, gittens garnacho cam palmer Simons rw, estevao Neto with palmer estevao and Simons able to play in 2 of those positions means that we won’t be predictable in how we set up at all. I know this is a gittens thread but Simons estevao and palmer as the three behind the striker rotating could be very exciting to watch

39 minutes ago, carefree franco said:

I think it’s completely reactionary to say he’s inferior to George, he has played a lot of minutes in Germany and looked like a great talent and sure George might be a great player but he’s still quite a way behind gittens in his development.

I have previously said getting gittens who favours the left wing for madueke who is a right winger when we have estevao palmer and Neto who play there this season and from next season Quenda and Paez is a great for squad balance. After this weekend I’m not sure maresca will be tactically flexible anymore but lw, gittens garnacho cam palmer Simons rw, estevao Neto with palmer estevao and Simons able to play in 2 of those positions means that we won’t be predictable in how we set up at all. I know this is a gittens thread but Simons estevao and palmer as the three behind the striker rotating could be very exciting to watch

Why do we need to put the club further in debt by signing Garnachio or Simons when we could let both Gittens and George fight it out and get serious minutes? there's also you know who we could try there who started out as a left winger in Spain.

I simply want the club to stop spending money... See bomb squad for the wasted millions we're burning through carefree wherever the bank and debt may be.

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Don’t even think the Arsenal fanbase are this reactive.

'UTTER DISGRACE' - Arsenal fans SLAMMED for Noni Madueke...

Read More...

2 hours ago, bluelightening said:

Why do we need to put the club further in debt by signing Garnachio or Simons when we could let both Gittens and George fight it out and get serious minutes? there's also you know who we could try there who started out as a left winger in Spain.

I simply want the club to stop spending money... See bomb squad for the wasted millions we're burning through carefree wherever the bank and debt may be.

I am definitely in the camp that garnacho should not be signed but Simons would be a good signing. I don’t want the club to spend recklessly but by and large recently the signings have been more hits than misses.

5 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

It’s not his fault but you don’t pay 60M for someone and loan them out. He’d probably do much better if we played faster, but the same can be said about all our wingers. Death by Maresca-ball.

Heh I like it. Can see him leading the team out while they shout this.

Give the guy a chance FFS.

Is he better than Noni? Nobody knows yet because he’s only been at the club for about 20 minutes.

The only judgement I’d put forward is he definitely seems to be more team focused than Noni is.

If I was buying any player and everyone who has seen him play said "his decision making is awful" I simply would not buy him, if the player hasn't got a footballing brain it's not worth buying him.. Sadly we keep making the same mistake

Edited August 20, 2025Aug 20 by guddy69

8 minutes ago, guddy69 said:

If I was buying any player and everyone who has seen him play said "his decision making is awful" I simply would not buy him, if the player hasn't got a footballing brain it's not worth buying him.. Sadly we keep making the same mistake

I remembered Cr7 decision making was so bad when united signed him

Edited August 20, 2025Aug 20 by Bob stark

9 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I remembered Cr7 decision making was so bad when united signed him

Maybe we have hope..

But I doubt it 🤔

48 minutes ago, guddy69 said:

Maybe we have hope..

But I doubt it 🤔

When you sign a 21 year old, this is expected. Just relax, this is Chelsea model.

8 hours ago, Bob stark said:

When you sign a 21 year old, this is expected. Just relax, this is Chelsea model.

Relax.

Quiet cameo off the bench today. Need him to settle and show us what he has to offer - I’m sure there is much more than we are seeing.

Hopefully can get his head down over the international break and learn how we play.

41 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Hopefully can get his head down over the international break and learn how we play.

Oh, I think we would all like to sit in on those lessons and learn about that.