3 hours ago, Deino said:

Mbeumo is 25. How tf have we come to an age of football where someone born in 1999 is considered old

It's not really in football though, it's just a BlueCo thing. Nobody else is following this same insane model.

I’m increasingly sure Stark and Evissy are actually Todd and Eghbali.

I’d rather Gittens than Garnacho TBH.

6 minutes ago, 2211 said:

I’d rather Gittens than Garnacho TBH.

Gittens is Maresca’s wet dream of a winger.

Stays wide.

Presses.

Loves 1 v 1s.

Contributes defensively.

1 hour ago, Snedger said:

I’m increasingly sure Stark and Evissy are actually Todd and Eghbali.

Surely Bob is Enzo. For sure.

10 hours ago, STATS said:

I think people look at Mbuemo and because he is fully bald now and looks older, people just assume he is older. He is 25, yes. LOL. Not old at all.

8 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

But signing a bunch of kids just means yo-yoing in and out of the Champions League, never competing amongst the very best and losing out on massive money through prize money and sponsorships. Also, as we are seeing now, the majority of these young players are going to be hard to sell for profit in the future anyway. So even from a financial point of view, it's not going to work out.

😂😂

The reality is from financial pov he is old. He was born in 99 so he is 26. Let say you sign him for 6 years, after 4 years he will be 30 and his value will be very low.

The goal of signing this young player is not to make profit. Simple example, you sign a 100 m st, if it works out all good but if it doesn't, it is impossible to move him, you have to pay his gigantic salary and you need to spend more money to get his replacement.

But let's say you spend it on three 40 m attacker and only one of them works out. You can probably sell the "bad" one for 20m each. You get a decent st on cheaper salary and you still have 40m in the bank.

This sounds crazy but you have to look at our club not as traditional football club but more of a financial entity. Winning thropy is one of the goal but not the main goal.

3 hours ago, Snedger said:

I’m increasingly sure Stark and Evissy are actually Todd and Eghbali.

I wish I am that rich 🤑🤑

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

😂😂

The reality is from financial pov he is old. He was born in 99 so he is 26. Let say you sign him for 6 years, after 4 years he will be 30 and his value will be very low.

The goal of signing this young player is not to make profit. Simple example, you sign a 100 m st, if it works out all good but if it doesn't, it is impossible to move him, you have to pay his gigantic salary and you need to spend more money to get his replacement.

But let's say you spend it on three 40 m attacker and only one of them works out. You can probably sell the "bad" one for 20m each. You get a decent st on cheaper salary and you still have 40m in the bank.

This sounds crazy but you have to look at our club not as traditional football club but more of a financial entity. Winning thropy is one of the goal but not the main goal.

What you're not taking into account though is that financial growth of the players only really occurs through playing. With a reasonable limit on squad size and the limits around the numbers of loan players both by age, and to Europe there is still only a finite number of instances you can employ your tactic of stockpiling.

Let's say Mbeumo cost 60m, under your contract terms it would amortize at 10m a year. But we would be getting the benefit of an experienced, PL conditioned player for those four years. No real development or waiting and seeing needed. Just improvement from working within the team. Its an intangible value that is often overlooked but very important nevertheless. If we didn't take into account the intangible benefit of usage of our assets nobody would ever buy a car.

At the end of four years we would then be looking to sell a 30 year old for in excess of 20m to make a book value profit and luckily there are still enough clubs in the market that would place a similar value on paying 30m, say, on a proven, marquee 30 year old player and amortise that over 3 or 4 years.

It doesn't fit the BlueCo model because the value added in this deal is the intangible value that the quality of the player brings. In the BlueCo model you describe it remains just horse trading which, whilst potentially profitable overall kills any bond between the fans and the players and therefore the club because it is merely a trading vehicle.

I miss the days when you bought a player to improve your team immediately rather than buying potential and worrying about their resale value.

3 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

What you're not taking into account though is that financial growth of the players only really occurs through playing. With a reasonable limit on squad size and the limits around the numbers of loan players both by age, and to Europe there is still only a finite number of instances you can employ your tactic of stockpiling.

Let's say Mbeumo cost 60m, under your contract terms it would amortize at 10m a year. But we would be getting the benefit of an experienced, PL conditioned player for those four years. No real development or waiting and seeing needed. Just improvement from working within the team. Its an intangible value that is often overlooked but very important nevertheless. If we didn't take into account the intangible benefit of usage of our assets nobody would ever buy a car.

At the end of four years we would then be looking to sell a 30 year old for in excess of 20m to make a book value profit and luckily there are still enough clubs in the market that would place a similar value on paying 30m, say, on a proven, marquee 30 year old player and amortise that over 3 or 4 years.

It doesn't fit the BlueCo model because the value added in this deal is the intangible value that the quality of the player brings. In the BlueCo model you describe it remains just horse trading which, whilst potentially profitable overall kills any bond between the fans and the players and therefore the club because it is merely a trading vehicle.

Far too much common sense in there for BlueCo LOL.

What beggars belief even more is that the whole model is predicated on the huge trust placed in Winstanley and Stewart to identify the right players. Foundations built on sand ...

On 25/06/2025 at 13:32, timetowaste said:

I think people are underestimating how good Gittens is and how good he can become, but I definitely get that people think we could have done with someone more experienced. But as someone mentioned, we have Quenda coming in next season who looks great and seems to be a player we have big plans for so spending money on a Rodrygo or giving Nico Williams the rumoured near £300k a week doesn't make much sense.

"underestimating how good he is"

"how good he can become"

"big plans"

Almost hitting the BlueCo Bingo here, just needed to throw in a comment about how Roman is gone and we should stop living in the past.

On 30/06/2025 at 01:54, Bob stark said:

He was born in 99 so he is 26.

he's 25 mate

10 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

"underestimating how good he is"

"how good he can become"

"big plans"

Almost hitting the BlueCo Bingo here, just needed to throw in a comment about how Roman is gone and we should stop living in the past.

Once my brown envelope arrives I'll tell you why i think Gittens will be a success.

12 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

he's 25 mate

Yeah, but only until hes 26...then hes 26...

3 hours ago, timetowaste said:

Once my brown envelope arrives I'll tell you why i think Gittens will be a success.

You're on Evissy's payroll as well?!

On 29/06/2025 at 17:25, Snedger said:

I’m increasingly sure Stark and Evissy are actually Todd and Eghbali.

The amount of abuse received when you're not being a sheep of negativity, is disgusting. I have been called a banned poster on here, directors and etc. People have differing opinions you know!

On 01/07/2025 at 16:48, Ukraine Bolt said:

You're on Evissy's payroll as well?!

The abuser will be abusing. What's new?!

6 hours ago, Clown Lake said:

The amount of abuse received when you're not being a sheep of negativity, is disgusting. I have been called a banned poster on here, directors and etc. People have differing opinions you know!

The abuser will be abusing. What's new?!

PMSL must have remembered your password for the burner, Evissy!

6 hours ago, Clown Lake said:

The amount of abuse received when you're not being a sheep of negativity, is disgusting. I have been called a banned poster on here, directors and etc. People have differing opinions you know!

And that (which you quoted) was my opinion that was different to yours. And it was also tongue in cheek (hardly abusive) and I'm sure Bob and Evissy aren't losing any sleep over my comment.

Beyond that, you are right, there is quite a bit of scepticism about the way the club is being run now, but sometimes the the arguments made at at the opposite end of the opinion scale are just as head scratching with what sometimes seems like blind faith or club propaganda.

On 01/07/2025 at 08:01, Ukraine Bolt said:

"underestimating how good he is"

"how good he can become"

"big plans"

Almost hitting the BlueCo Bingo here, just needed to throw in a comment about how Roman is gone and we should stop living in the past.

I'd like to see a blue co bingo card 😂

13 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

PMSL must have remembered your password for the burner, Evissy!

You really love me don't you? Also, lovely that your sheep posse "dkw" follows you everywhere liking your random abuse!(Maybe you are also DKW, is this why you throw random claims.... guilty conscious?)

9 hours ago, Clown Lake said:

You really love me don't you? Also, lovely that your sheep posse "dkw" follows you everywhere liking your random abuse!(Maybe you are also DKW, is this why you throw random claims.... guilty conscious?)

I was talking to TimeToWaste (you weren't even thought about or mentioned) and you quoted my message, i reply and you somehow think I'm obsessed with you?

Little bro, you started this conversation lmao

Edited July 4, 20251 yr by Ukraine Bolt

This guy looks like Mudryk MK II. Hoping I'm wrong, but looks like he's got tonnes of pace but no end product.

All I know about him is these youtube compilations, but hoenstly they don't look impressive. Most of the clips of him beating a player, then it goes to the next clip, because nothing happened after that, no shots or assists or anything, otherwise they'd keep that part in.

5 minutes ago, Zeta said:

All I know about him is these youtube compilations, but hoenstly they don't look impressive. Most of the clips of him beating a player, then it goes to the next clip, because nothing happened after that, no shots or assists or anything, otherwise they'd keep that part in.

agreed - the clips show very few plays that end with an end product. Mudryk also has a cracking highlights reel...

Premier League defenders are having gittens at the prospect of us signing this guy