47 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

What on earth was with the dicking about with the back four? Over the course of the game:

Acheampong - Chalobah - Fofana - Cucurella

Fofana - Chalobah - Badiashile - Cucurella

Chalobah - Badiashile - Hato - Cucurella

Chalobah - Adarabioyo - Badiashile - Hato

All of these changes were while we were losing, and used up three of our five subs. I hope he gives an explanation.

19 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

I want to back the club and players. I want the manager to get the best out of the players. I want the players to perform as we know they can. The mid to lower end of the table is not where I want to be so I am keeping my fingers crossed that if you throw enough sh*t at a wall, some will eventually stick. For the sake of the club, it has to work or we are stuck with the scum running us into the ground. If theyre successfull they'll sell up and jog on.

And I want Abramovich back, but I had to face reality that his time was over. Fans backing this nonsense now need accept the reality of this ownership.

There isn't a single Chelsea fan that had Rosenior on their radar, and if any fan had suggested it as a good appointment, they would be rightly laughed at, but we're supposed to just back him now because rich billionaires that know f**k all about football decide it's the right choice? No, f**k them, they haven't got a clue and have turned the club into a laughing stock. Two average coaches walked out on these clowns.....yes, walked, they weren't sacked, because even they came to realise that Chelsea was a dead end. Even if Rosenior performs a miracle and doesn't end up being another Graham Potter, he will reach that point too. The head coach has no power at Chelsea football club, he can't even pick his own team without interference. How can any of us back that? You will never ever see a Mourinho, Ancelotti, Conte, or Tuchel level coach at Chelsea again under this project. The best we can hope for is League 1 to Championship level or a coach that is out of the job and needs to give his career a kickstart back to life. Enrique rejected us because he hated what came with it, and he made the best decision of his career.

Winstanley and Stewart have amassed a billion pound squad of mostly bang average to poor footballers. They are probably averaging 1 good player for every 10 mediocre ones at this point, and we are being made to believe they are doing a good job?

We literally have twats like Joe Shields getting a major job role at the club, and he's filling the coaching staff up with his old Kinetic pals. Literal amateur coaches that shouldn't be anywhere near this level of the game. What is this sh*t? We're being used by these parasites that only have their own best interests at heart. Where is the Chelsea representation at the club? Oh wait, they get treated like sh*t and relegated to sh*t roles at the club, Hassan Solaiman the most recent example, in an attempt to push them out. They even removed the poor bastards profile from the Chelsea website.

As for the players, what are we backing? We're backing them to come good in impossible circumstances only for them to be sold off when they reach their highest value? What a great future to look forward to, the sh*ttier version of Dortmund, the Premier League's bitch that sells all of their best players to other clubs.

From the Championship / League 1 standard manager head coaches, the mates rates Kinetic connection, the dreadful sporting directors, the treatment of former players and staff that turned this club into a winning machine at all levels of the game, the mediocre first team squad we have amassed, the BlueCo project, the ownership........how can I back this destruction of my club? How can any fan?

I like him, still early days but he plays Andrey Santos, Acheampong and Estevao so he’s already an upgrade.

18 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Mate, we were playing against Arsenal tonight.

With Palmer, James, Caicedo, Gusto, Delap and more out, what on earth did you expect?

You need a reality check. Arsenal are unfortunately probably the best team in the league, facing a weakened Chelsea side, at full strength. And the game finished 3-2, thanks to Sanchez 2 mistakes that lead to goals.

It would have been no different had they played. Tactically, we were atrocious. Gaps all over the place, the defenders and keeper a complete sh*tshow. Rosenior's playing it out of the back was straight out of the early days of Pochettino and Maresca.

What would Delap have done? Throw his weight around because he's sh*t at being a footballer? What would Caicedo do? Cover for old man legs Fernandez and pick up a red card? What Gusto do? He falls apart when things get tough. What would Palmer do? The guy is crippled because he or the medical team continue to take the stupid decision and not have surgery.

Edited January 14Jan 14 by Scott Harris

1 hour ago, PloKoon13 said:

What on earth was with the dicking about with the back four? Over the course of the game:

Acheampong - Chalobah - Fofana - Cucurella

Fofana - Chalobah - Badiashile - Cucurella

Chalobah - Badiashile - Hato - Cucurella

Chalobah - Adarabioyo - Badiashile - Hato

All of these changes were while we were losing, and used up three of our five subs. I hope he gives an explanation.

Maresca 2.0

needs to ditch the passing out of the back immediately that’s a easy win.

Didn't think the team looked well set up at all today.

Quite easy to play through and stuggled badly with the Arsenal press.

Having said that missing your 3 best players and no fit right back against the best team in the league could be easily the cause of that too. A week into the job also so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Edited January 14Jan 14 by Dubair

41 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Mate, we were playing against Arsenal tonight.

With Palmer, James, Caicedo, Gusto, Delap and more out, what on earth did you expect?

Arsenal are unfortunately probably the best team in the league, facing a weakened Chelsea side, at full strength. And the game finished 3-2, thanks to Sanchez 2 mistakes that lead to goals.

Exactly how I saw it tonight.

We lost 3-2 to the league leaders - you'd think we had a full strength team and lost 5-0.

Yes Liam has things to figure out (he's only been here 6 days) and unfortunately new managers wipe the slate clean with the players at his disposal.

Everything in consideration this was nowhere near one of our worst performances of the season.

Will Liam be successful, who knows??

But a 3-2 defeat to the best team in the country isn't changing my opinion on things yet.

Maybe when the likes of James, Palmer and Caicedo are back we'll look a bit different...

3 minutes ago, 2211 said:

Exactly how I saw it tonight.

We lost 3-2 to the league leaders - you'd think we had a full strength team and lost 5-0.

Yes Liam has things to figure out (he's only been here 6 days) and unfortunately new managers wipe the slate clean with the players at his disposal.

Everything in consideration this was nowhere near one of our worst performances of the season.

Will Liam be successful, who knows??

But a 3-2 defeat to the best team in the country isn't changing my opinion on things yet.

Maybe when the likes of James, Palmer and Caicedo are back we'll look a bit different...

Did you forget that we played them in the league only a couple of months ago and played much better with 10 men? We had no Palmer that day either and Caicedo was sent off. Also, Rosenior isn't the manager, he's the head coach. A manager has a say on how things go, what say does Rosenior have? He's literally already doing what Maresca did with the defenders. If Rosenior doesn't rate a player and doesn't want to play him, then it's tough sh*t, he has to play to stop his value from dropping. Everything Rosenior does is influenced by those around him, he has no control.

6 minutes ago, 2211 said:

Exactly how I saw it tonight.

We lost 3-2 to the league leaders - you'd think we had a full strength team and lost 5-0.

Yes Liam has things to figure out (he's only been here 6 days) and unfortunately new managers wipe the slate clean with the players at his disposal.

Everything in consideration this was nowhere near one of our worst performances of the season.

Will Liam be successful, who knows??

But a 3-2 defeat to the best team in the country isn't changing my opinion on things yet.

Maybe when the likes of James, Palmer and Caicedo are back we'll look a bit different...

Tonight's game was more of a free hit for Rosenior given that it occurred so early in his managerial stint here. The owners do not seem to have prioritized the trophy and I suspect that led to a number of key players being left out. Compare this with the Club World Cup when several players carried on through injury for example.

If we had won tonight, Rosenior would have gained some valuable currency with the fans early on. The result itself could have been much worse had Arsenal taken some of their other chances while on top. But even if we had lost more convincingly it is the games coming up in the next couple of months that will ultimately determine how he fares. We need to arrest the slide down the table quickly if we are to have any chance of European football next season.

Some valid concerns over our approach defensively, where we seem to have regressed to playing dangerous balls around the backline. We know how that worked when Poch and Maresca tried it. Sanchez is not the right keeper for that approach and we don't have better options.

On the plus side there is hope for players like Santos under Rosenior, and it is encouraging to see Estevao getting a start. But the real test will be whether he continues to get opportunities when other players are available again.

We looked better under Maresca against Arsenal

9 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Did you forget that we played them in the league only a couple of months ago and played much better with 10 men? We had no Palmer that day either and Caicedo was sent off. Also, Rosenior isn't the manager, he's the head coach. A manager has a say on how things go, what say does Rosenior have? He's literally already doing what Maresca did with the defenders. If Rosenior doesn't rate a player and doesn't want to play him, then it's tough sh*t, he has to play to stop his value from dropping. Everything Rosenior does is influenced by those around him, he has no control.

Yes, this is my point, the board and the structure and recruitment of the club is the issue, until that changes nothing will change and no top manager could do miracles with this squad or would even want to work under these circumstances.

Of course he has to work on things like playing oiut from the back, defending set pieces etc.. but without Sanchez 2 mistakes the game is different.

Also, comparing tonights match to Maresca's team against Arsenal is not a fair comparison yet.

My expectations for this team are quite low TBH but I'm not gonna jump all over the Head Coach thread because we lost by the odd goal to the league leaders, especially when our goalkeeper gifted them 2 of the 3 goals.

Edited January 15Jan 15 by 2211

I think the game came too soon for him, not to mention we were missing our best striker, midfielder, attacking midfielder and right back x2. One thing I will say though, if he insists on playing out from the back every time with this keeper and defence then he's doomed before he starts.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Did you forget that we played them in the league only a couple of months ago and played much better with 10 men? We had no Palmer that day either and Caicedo was sent off. Also, Rosenior isn't the manager, he's the head coach. A manager has a say on how things go, what say does Rosenior have? He's literally already doing what Maresca did with the defenders. If Rosenior doesn't rate a player and doesn't want to play him, then it's tough sh*t, he has to play to stop his value from dropping. Everything Rosenior does is influenced by those around him, he has no control.

100%

He's going to be a disaster for results as he will do what he is told by people who don't have a clue.

On top of that the job is far too big for him anyway so the little he does have influence on he will make a mess of.

No manager employed under Clownlake will achieve what Maresca did and win 2 trophies in a few months!

Bookmark this post and beat me with it if they do!

....they won't!

We couldn’t cope with an Arsenal press on our defence. Rosenior better get his head around how bad we are with a keeper being told to play out from the back. If he doesn’t get this immediately then he’ll be gone sooner rather than later. His first home game and fans were booing the tactic.

That being said when we broke the press we looked half decent.

Positives, Estevao got 90 and was a handful.

Garnacho getting two very good finishes.

Enzo had a good game.

Negatives,

Guiu had very little about him as a goal scorer. It doesn’t look like a natural position for him. He held the ball up and made some good lay offs but he’s another in a long line of strikers that do their best work outside the box. Not what we need and 100% needs a season long loan.

Centre backs. I’d keep Josh and Colwill and we’ll be forced to keep Fofana even if we don’t want to. The rest can go including Trev. We desperately need experience there.

Sanchez has went from a confident keeper last week to the shambling wreck we witnessed in the first half tonight and most of last season. It will only get worse if Rosenior continues to play out from the back against teams that have a decent press.

J Pedro is turning into our new version of Kai Havertz. Good player who flatters to deceive because no positions in our current system suits him. He’s a second striker. He is not a 9 or a 10. With hindsight a very strange signing even though he did really well at the start of the season and the CWC.

Finally, I thought Santos was decent and will become an important player but he has no pace which was apparent tonight and against Charlton

He said the line. First defeat, and he said it.

18 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

He said the line. First defeat, and he said it.

@just called Big Enz "Pepelli" right?

So maybe Rosenior can be Pottertini

38 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

He said the line. First defeat, and he said it.

36 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

@just called Big Enz "Pepelli" right?

So maybe Rosenior can be Pottertini

Or perhaps Pottertino - a mix of Potter and Poch ;)

7 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Or perhaps Pottertino - a mix of Potter and Poch ;)

That could work. Looks like his Chelsea defence will be as sh*t as poch

10 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

That could work. Looks like his Chelsea defence will be as sh*t as poch

Our defence has been pretty crap all season. So maybe the best option for Rosenior will be to improve our attacking play. That approach worked to a degree for Poch.

46 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Our defence has been pretty crap all season. So maybe the best option for Rosenior will be to improve our attacking play. That approach worked to a degree for Poch.

More entertaining games perhaps

2 hours ago, 19seventyone said:

J Pedro is turning into our new version of Kai Havertz. Good player who flatters to deceive because no positions in our current system suits him. He’s a second striker. He is not a 9 or a 10. With hindsight a very strange signing even though he did really well at the start of the season and the CWC.

Exactly the same as Havertz tbf. Had runs of form where he looked a proper attacker, including in big games (CL Semi and Final). Just not the sort of player who will give you consistency across 38 games in the league. Havertz makes no difference to Arsenal in the league.

15 hours ago, markpitts said:

Apparently we are trying to sell Datro Fofana to Celtics

Trying to sell Datro Fofana to an NBA club would be a peak BlueCo move