I know this won’t go down well at all but…

How about a loan with obligation to buy for Grealish?

2 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I know this won’t go down well at all but…

How about a loan with obligation to buy for Grealish?

Wages + Age.

3 hours ago, terraloon said:

Just a point in Kepa. He was bought on a 7 year deal. The rule change re max 5 year amortisation meant that his £10pa finished in 24/25 . The 5 years were already exceeded so that amortisation sum will come off the books for 25/26 . So in accounting therms the £5 million adds to the £10 = an impact of £15 million.

But also when it comes to player costs you now have to also factor in their wages. Amortisation + agent fees ( mainly included in sums to be amortised) + wages

With the rule change to max 5 years amortisation, what happened to the already longer-term signings? Was the change applied retroactively?

57 minutes ago, dermott said:

With the rule change to max 5 years amortisation, what happened to the already longer-term signings? Was the change applied retroactively?

No all agreements signed will still run for the agreed term but any subsequent new contract can’t extend the period to over 5 years.

So Kepa 1 year extension after 6 years wouldn’t see the £10 million that remained to be amortised split into £5 million sums in 24/25 &25/26 that would in effect extend it to eight years

What really complicated the matter is that the PL & UEFA do t have the same date as to when the rule change applied .

This is form memory but the restriction kicked in UEFA wise from 1/7/23 & the PL from 1/12/23

Edited July 18, 20251 yr by terraloon

4 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Wages + Age.

I could see him working his low socks off to regain his England spot for the World Cup.

8 hours ago, JM7 said:

“@Matt_Law_DT: I'm told by people on the outside that if Villa do go for Nicholas Jackson, it will immediately trigger a bid for Morgan Rogers from Chelsea.”

This was said by Matt Law this week.

I was talking to a Villa mate and he said that Rodgers plays CAM and he’s useless on the wings. Surely we are overloaded at CAM?

Wouldn’t touch him; sample size is just 1 PL. £80m is too much for a player that isn’t a dead cert. Find it weird City, Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal & Tottenham have all signed players in a role he plays but his name hasn’t popped up as a target.

Give me Xavi Simons everyday; I know we have been burnt by duds from the Bundesliga but he isn’t just any player. Came through Barca’s La Masia, played for PSV, PSG and now Leipzig. Doesn’t get more rounded than him.

1 hour ago, markpitts said:

Wouldn’t touch him; sample size is just 1 PL. £80m is too much for a player that isn’t a dead cert. Find it weird City, Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal & Tottenham have all signed players in a role he plays but his name hasn’t popped up as a target.

Give me Xavi Simons everyday; I know we have been burnt by duds from the Bundesliga but he isn’t just any player. Came through Barca’s La Masia, played for PSV, PSG and now Leipzig. Doesn’t get more rounded than him.

I don't trust any player from Leipzig anymore. Xavi Simons always looks like a highlights player when I watch him too.

2 hours ago, markpitts said:

Wouldn’t touch him; sample size is just 1 PL. £80m is too much for a player that isn’t a dead cert. Find it weird City, Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal & Tottenham have all signed players in a role he plays but his name hasn’t popped up as a target.

Give me Xavi Simons everyday; I know we have been burnt by duds from the Bundesliga but he isn’t just any player. Came through Barca’s La Masia, played for PSV, PSG and now Leipzig. Doesn’t get more rounded than him.

Younes makes a valid point though. He joined Leipzig in the last window and is already looking to leave, and has hired his own super agent to get him a move. Nobody has shown any interest in himso far. Seems similar to the way Felix has gone. Has a whiff of trouble about it, if true.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Younes makes a valid point though. He joined Leipzig in the last window and is already looking to leave, and has hired his own super agent to get him a move. Nobody has shown any interest in himso far. Seems similar to the way Felix has gone. Has a whiff of trouble about it, if true.

I’ve watched Simons a few times, I’m still waiting for him to do something. Looks pretty average to me. If we’re going to gamble on a forward player I’d go for Yilidiz from Juve .

10 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

I know this won’t go down well at all but…

How about a loan with obligation to buy for Grealish?

Who on earth could he possibly push out of our side?

54 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

I’ve watched Simons a few times, I’m still waiting for him to do something. Looks pretty average to me. If we’re going to gamble on a forward player I’d go for Yilidiz from Juve .

Great shout actually

Where are they going? When are they leaving? Why were they here?

We need a thread for ALL those players that are still on the books and who need to leave.

I cannot even think of them all. We need a list.

• Sterling
  Broja
  Chillwell

Felix and Veiga

🚨🇵🇹 Renato Veiga, still expected to leave Chelsea this summer with permanent move anticipated since June.

Atlético Madrid, Bayern and Premier League clubs all in the race to sign Veiga.

Understand Chelsea want package over €40m for Veiga, while talks with clubs continue.

On 18/07/2025 at 10:17, terraloon said:

As a matter of interest can you point me to the UEFA written directive stating what you are saying.

I agree fully that’s what is being reported in some of the press but it’s certainly not what the sanctions statement says

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6473798/2025/07/04/chelsea-aston-villa-uefa-fines-spending-restrictions/

Cunha will be 27 at the end of this coming season, whereas Mbuemo is 26 next month. Both cost around 130M and both on long contracts.

United really gambling big time here, hoping they will somehow get their sh*t together in two years tops. Otherwise they will find themselves in the same situation they are at the moment, calling Cunha and Mbuemo old duds and blaming the board for spending a fortune on players that have no resale value in their late 20s and would rather see their contracts run out.

At the moment the United fan base acts like they have signed two absolute superstars, but so they did with Hojlund, Ugarte, Antony and all the other crap players they have signed for the past seasons.

Mbeumo is a good player but not a striker and expensive at the price. Cunha can be outstanding when his seriously dodgy temperament allows and, on potential, is probably worth the price. Potential. That's the rub.

41 minutes ago, dermott said:

Mbeumo is a good player but not a striker and expensive at the price. Cunha can be outstanding when his seriously dodgy temperament allows and, on potential, is probably worth the price. Potential. That's the rub.

They are decent players, but not the superstars that the United fan base tries to make them look. Let's not forget that Cunha could not hack it at both Leipzig and Atletico and had to go to a lower level in Hertha and Wolves.

Mbuemo at 26 is settled in the Prem, but moves to a big club for the first time in his career and it will be a total different thing that he was used to at Brentford. Even though Frank and Amorim have a similar gameplan, it's a lot of pressure on him now and the expectations are different. The 70M transfer fee does not help him either.

For me personally, United have totally made the wrong choice with Amorim. The guy is way overrated and stubborn and plays the kind of classic, rigid 3-4-3 that must have a solid base in midfield and quality full backs.

United with their current midfield two and Amad Diallo (naturally and attacking winger) at right wing back and Dorgu, a bang average player, on the left, have all the attributes of being a team that will get destroyed in transition and that midfield two will be run over and over and over again. Teams will cut through that midfield like nothing is there no matter what midfield combination they will use. They simply do not have the midfielders for this system.

Edited July 20, 2025Jul 20 by petre ispirescu

1 hour ago, petre ispirescu said:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6473798/2025/07/04/chelsea-aston-villa-uefa-fines-spending-restrictions/

“Both clubs will also be limited in what they can spend with players on UEFA’s List A for club competitions having to hold a positive transfer balance, i.e. the cost of players added must not exceed those being removed.”

What A list is that ? No mention in the sanctions agreement about it being the 24/5 list carried forward nor indeed is there any mention of a monetary sum nor saying that any sum has to be raised from transfer fees

All it talks about is if you put a “new” player on the A list for seasons 25/26&26/27 then the player squad cost ( wages/impairment, amortisation and agent fees ) have to be matched or bettered by a player transferred off that A List.

Look at UEFa Article 32. This is talking about putting “ New players “ on the A list which for a club like Chelsea is due to be registered by 2 September . Not the use of the word new.

Article 32 Subsequent registration

32.01

After the completion of the league phase and before the start of the knockout phase, a club may register a maximum of three new eligible players for the remaining matches in the current competition. Such registrations must be completed by 5 February 2026 (24:00 CET) at the latest.

Edited July 20, 2025Jul 20 by terraloon

So as things sat and ( no doubt I will miss some)

Gilchrist off to either Saudi or a Championship club anywhere between £5& £15 million

Disasi to either Villa but more likely Newcastle £35m

Veiga several clubs interested £35m

Felix Benfica interested as are a couple of European clubs and a couple Saudi.Benfica say they can’t /won’t go above £25 million . Lots more on offer from Saudi

KDH. Said to be a few clubs interested seems that club will listen to offers close to £30 m

Broja. No clubs named but claimed several are in discussions.

Nunkuku. Likely to go to a German Club. Offers around £30-£40 million being sought.

Chillwell . Move to Leeds, dirty Leeds, being talked about £15-20 m

Sterling. No real interest it seems save a Saudi Club. Will his contract be cancelled ?

Gusto. Similar to Nunkuku quite possibly a combined fee of £80 -£90 million.

Jackson. This is an interesting one as it claimed that the reference to £100 million isn’t what the club currently values the player but more to do with where they see his fee being at some point in the future. Seems that around £60 million is mor3 the here and now price.

What’s interesting absolutely no chatter around Challobah .

3 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

Cunha will be 27 at the end of this coming season, whereas Mbuemo is 26 next month. Both cost around 130M and both on long contracts.

United really gambling big time here, hoping they will somehow get their sh*t together in two years tops. Otherwise they will find themselves in the same situation they are at the moment, calling Cunha and Mbuemo old duds and blaming the board for spending a fortune on players that have no resale value in their late 20s and would rather see their contracts run out.

At the moment the United fan base acts like they have signed two absolute superstars, but so they did with Hojlund, Ugarte, Antony and all the other crap players they have signed for the past seasons.

Think they’re both good signings. Signing the best performing players in your league is a dying art that many clubs have had major success with over the years. Man United being one of them. 35 league goals between them last season and something they are lacking is goals. Hojlund and Antony are nothing like them 2 players that nobody knew about.

Whether it will work I don’t know Man Utd are a football graveyard at the moment so even the best of players could fail, and Amorin isn’t showing himself to be a top coach. However I think there’s a better chance of success this way than buying the next young maybe. Especially as they are at the bottom of the priority list when it comes to teams to play for at the moment. They’re essentially buying from the 2nd - 3rd tier wonder kids.

Maybe all the big clubs looking for the next generation of talent has left the door open for Man Utd to steal in on the Premier Leagues best talent? I’m guessing Cunha is seen as more of a certainty than say Gittens?

Their defence and midfield are still very poor to play Amorim’s football.

No chatter around Chalobah since he's been absolutely brilliant!

Would piss me off no end of we sell him since we have so many "bomb squad" players to move on first.

2 hours ago, DarkMata said:

Think they’re both good signings. Signing the best performing players in your league is a dying art that many clubs have had major success with over the years. Man United being one of them. 35 league goals between them last season and something they are lacking is goals. Hojlund and Antony are nothing like them 2 players that nobody knew about.

Whether it will work I don’t know Man Utd are a football graveyard at the moment so even the best of players could fail, and Amorin isn’t showing himself to be a top coach. However I think there’s a better chance of success this way than buying the next young maybe. Especially as they are at the bottom of the priority list when it comes to teams to play for at the moment. They’re essentially buying from the 2nd - 3rd tier wonder kids.

Maybe all the big clubs looking for the next generation of talent has left the door open for Man Utd to steal in on the Premier Leagues best talent? I’m guessing Cunha is seen as more of a certainty than say Gittens?

Scoring more goals is all very well. MU's fundamental problem is they don't have the talent required to play Amorim's very specific style - the major reason they tanked last season - and don't seem to be taking steps to rectify that. Something, eventually, will have to give. I suspect Amorim will probably opt out.

4 hours ago, terraloon said:

So as things sat and ( no doubt I will miss some)

Gilchrist off to either Saudi or a Championship club anywhere between £5& £15 million

Disasi to either Villa but more likely Newcastle £35m

Veiga several clubs interested £35m

Felix Benfica interested as are a couple of European clubs and a couple Saudi.Benfica say they can’t /won’t go above £25 million . Lots more on offer from Saudi

KDH. Said to be a few clubs interested seems that club will listen to offers close to £30 m

Broja. No clubs named but claimed several are in discussions.

Nunkuku. Likely to go to a German Club. Offers around £30-£40 million being sought.

Chillwell . Move to Leeds, dirty Leeds, being talked about £15-20 m

Sterling. No real interest it seems save a Saudi Club. Will his contract be cancelled ?

Gusto. Similar to Nunkuku quite possibly a combined fee of £80 -£90 million.

Jackson. This is an interesting one as it claimed that the reference to £100 million isn’t what the club currently values the player but more to do with where they see his fee being at some point in the future. Seems that around £60 million is mor3 the here and now price.

What’s interesting absolutely no chatter around Challobah .

Not heard the one about Leeds and Chilwell. I don't believe he is sellable. He, and Sterling are to us what Sancho is to United.

Best case we get a late loan and stoll pay most of their wages, but likely they stay until their deals expire as one will pay them close to what we are.the Saudis don't even want them.

I don't believe Sterling is even bothered about play time.he started as a professional at 15. He has played so many games already. Can rest for a couple of years, make big money then find move on a free to have some fun playing a

Maybe same for Ben.