How on earth does a dodgy knee knock his confidence? Come off it. What a load of crap. His heart just isnt with us. He is only here because we pay him a butt load of money.

As can be said for a number of players at this club like Hazard.

Torres is not shot because of confidence, he is shot because the one thing that served him well is gone forever now (the yard of pace he once had).

He's done, he tried hard and does bust a gut unless you are only picking on specific games when we could name about 10 of our players who have at times shown to be lazy and not up for it.

I hope he moves very soon.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/11/22/3547227/revealed-how-terry-torres-proved-key-to-di-matteos-chelsea

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2236606/Roberto-Di-Matteo-sacked-Chelsea-Roman-Abramovich-Inside-story-Neil-Ashton.html

Where's there smoke there's fire

Same can be said for Sheva, he always worked hard and it seemed like he wanted the best for Chelsea. Torres has admitted that he didnt care if we won or lost.

when has he admitted that?

I disagree with Davey about a lot of things, but I've never gotten the impression that he wants us to lose. I've been on this forum for three and a half years and I've never had a single reason to doubt Davey's support for this club. You, on the other hand, I'm not comfortable with. How can you be happy that we've brought in Rafa? We cast aside a Chelsea legend, a man who's always conducted himself with unflappable class and composure, the first manager to deliver us the Champions League trophy and his replacement is an incompetent, disgusting, fat waste of oxygen who had the temerity to insult Chelsea supporters to get a few laughs from the scouse trash. I don't want a man like that representing my club and I can't fathom how anybody else who's a true Chelsea supporter would feel differently. Unless, of course...

I'm only going on what he wrote on one of the threads. I wasn't just making an assumption that he wanted us to lose. I will find the quote for you if you want but I'm sure your not that bothered.

http://www.goal.com/...matteos-chelsea

http://www.dailymail...eil-Ashton.html

Where's there smoke there's fire

I will be very disappointed in Terry if there's any truth to that.

It's newspapers....

Why anyone would take any of that as fact is beyond me.

Especially the bloody mail and goal.com lol!

I will be very disappointed in Terry if there's any truth to that.

According to Maka, a row with Terry lead to Jose's departure - no offense to our captain but I trust Maka more than him after all the crap that has happened since. So I would not be surprised all that much by anything at this point

Edited November 22, 201213 yr by Las7

You think the avatar is clever?

I have had a long think about what I am about to say, and I don't like to make things personal Bluehatter, but in your case I am going to make an exception.

I have been on these forums since they started and before that it's predeccesor the old Chelsea Supporters Registry run by Paul Rushton. In that time I have agreed with some people and disagreed with other people. I have had genuine heated exchanges with people I really respect on here over their views on a particular issue player/manager/performance I have had reason to disagree with. In the end, whatever had been said, (and I have posted some things I later regretted), it was all forgotten because I felt those poeple, like me, supported Chelsea first and foremost.

I have never had that feeling with you. Harsh as this may be I don't believe you are a genuine Chelsea supporter. You are a Torres supporter and that is all that matters to you. How a manager is dealt with by Roman, how other players are used is of little interest to you. Ultimately what is said about Torres, how people view Torres, is all that you are really interested in. Everything else is secondary.

Which for me personally is just another reason to see Torres leave ASAP, because you will, I suspect, disappear with him.

Good for you! I won't lose any sleep over someone on a message board questioning my support for the club I love!

I think you just base this assumption on the fact most of the debates we have had have been over torres! I can't remember debating another issue with you on this forum. I honestly don't know where you have found the assumption that I don't care about any other players or I only base my thoughts on the manager on how he treats torres. I made it clear yesterday that I was disgusted with the decision to sack Rdm but also that I have no problem with benitez and look forward to the near future with him in charge. I understand others frustration with the decision and I think this is what is causing you to attack other supporters.

By the way if torres was to be sold in january I won't be going anywhere. Can't get rid of me that easily!

Wouldn't touch Suarez with a barge pole.

Rather sign Kezman for £50 than see Suarez in a Chelsea Kit.

Lot of people were saying similar about Ashley Cole, Not now though, if things do not change, there stop as they are!

It's newspapers....

Why anyone would take any of that as fact is beyond me.

Especially the bloody mail and goal.com lol!

You do realize that this comes from the same person who knew our first 11 two days before the CL match against Juve

You do realize that this comes from the same person who knew our first 11 two days before the CL match against Juve

A broken clock is correct twice a day......................

Nobody can deny that torres is a main factor behind this decision. Which is why it makes it even more of a disgrace

Nobody can deny that torres is a main factor behind this decision. Which is why it makes it even more of a disgrace

Torres has so much power, he can sack Abramovic if he tries to sell him in January.

Nobody can deny that torres is a main factor behind this decision. Which is why it makes it even more of a disgrace

Of cousre they can deny that as you are basing that statement on nothing other than newspaper gossip and your own opinion.

robbie, the manager, backing his own player? damn, you must be right

also, can you explain what he meant when he said "the team gave 110%".. isn't 100% the highest ? im so confused

Wow, you get confused easily. no infinity is the highest, Mathematics the limit that a function is said to approach at x = a when (x) is larger than any preassigned number for all x sufficiently near a.

100 x 100% = 10,000

100 x 110% = 11,000

Is that any clearer?

Good article.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4658104/Fernando-Torres-has-finished-off-more-bosses-than-chances.html

ROMAN ABRAMOVICH’S love affair with a big-name striker has cost yet another Chelsea manager his job.

By the time Roberto Di Matteo was sacked at 4am yesterday on his return from Chelsea’s 3-0 drubbing by Juventus, Fernando Torres had played a huge role in the demise of the last three managers — Di Matteo, Andre Villas-Boas and Carlo Ancelotti.

You would have thought Abramovich might have learned something from the Andriy Shevchenko fiasco.

Jose Mourinho, preparing for the 2006-2007 season after winning his second title, was landed with a player he never wanted.

But the Russian owner was adamant: He’s my man, he cost £30million and he’s in the team.

Mourinho’s nose was put out of joint and his relationship with Abramovich never recovered.

By the time Mourinho was sacked six games into the 2007-2008 campaign, Shevchenko had scored just four Premier League goals in 31 games — and would eventually leave Stamford Bridge, his tail between his legs, with a record of just nine in 48.

Abramovich, though, is never wrong.

And so history has repeated itself with Torres.

Blinded by the Spaniard’s scoring feats at Liverpool despite evidence in his final year that the striker was going off the boil, Abramovich stumped up £50million in January 2011 in the hope Torres would regalvanise Carlo Ancelotti’s stuttering Double winners.

It has been an unmitigated disaster.

Torres would manage just one goal in 14 league games and none in four Champions League appearances that would see Chelsea knocked out by Manchester United in the quarter-final. Exit Ancelotti.

Enter AVB to blow away the cobwebs and initiate a revolution, an experiment that lasted just 27 league games with Torres scoring once in 22 games. Exit AVB.

And now he’s seen off Di Matteo. When the chips were down in the last seven games, Torres did his customary disappearing act. No-one is surprised.

Despite the best efforts of a manager who stuck with him long after his own team-mates had given up the ghost, Torres is a busted flush.

To such an extent that Di Matteo dared not risk him in Turin on Tuesday night even though he was warned that to start without the Spaniard would cost him his job. Thank God someone at the club had principles.

But Di Matteo has always been a source of unease for Abramovich.

He never wanted to appoint him and when the Italian won the Champions League it reflected poorly on the billionaire’s persistence and infatuation with big-name managers.

Then he felt he HAD to reward Di Matteo with a two-year contract. But, all the while, he was awaiting the first opportunity to offload him.

Meanwhile, Torres ambled through games, off the pace and seemingly both uncommitted and unconcerned.

PALMED OFF ... Torres' poor form spelled the end for Carlo Ancelotti

Increasingly, there has been no greater example of a player whose life revolves totally around himself.

Me, me and me.

You got a fair indication of his true character shortly after the Champions League final in Munich.

Instead of glorying in the greatest night in Chelsea’s history, Torres moaned about not being allowed to take a penalty and being left on the bench for all but six minutes of normal time.

He went on: “I’ve been through the worst moments of my career this season and I’m not willing to re-live them. Next season I want someone to tell me what’s going to happen, what role I’ll have in the team, what is expected of me and to evaluate whether it’s worth it.”

That was big of you, Nando.

He added: “But for the fans this season I’d have thrown in the towel.”

Instead, he waited until this season to do it.

Even though he was told precisely what was going to happen and what his role in the team would be.

To this end and to give him all the support necessary, Abramovich went out and added Eden Hazard and Oscar to a list of goalmakers that already included Juan Mata.

Their brief? To provide the chances that would finally pay dividends on the owner’s £50m investment and to make Torres look good.

If this didn’t make the poor boy feel loved, Chelsea also waved goodbye to Didier Drogba, a true, heroic figure alongside whom Torres paled into whingeing, whining insignificance.

Torres had won the battle despite doing nothing to earn it.

Now, though, he had the chance to show what he could do and repay the misplaced faith placed in him by an owner desperate to retrieve a situation that had “Sheva II” written all over it.

And so Abramovich instructed Di Matteo that Torres started even if he was only on one leg. His manager, against his best instincts, went along with the scheme.

DEAD MAN WALKING ... Andre Villas-Boas failed to get the best out of Torres

The results speak for themselves.

No, it’s not all down to Torres. Without leaders like Drogba, the injured John Terry and Frank Lampard, the heart seems to have gone out of the side.

And, behind the scenes, there are too many employees happy enough just to pick up the money and tell the boss what he wants to hear.

Transfer policy? That appears to be down to which agent is whispering what names in Abramovich’s ear.

He wants, of course, to sign Radamel Falcao from Atletico Madrid for £42m in the January window.

But add that to the £57m on Oscar and Hazard that wasn’t included in Chelsea’s last accounts and you are staring at a Financial Fair Play Regulations’ nightmare.

It’s desperate stuff about to become even more desperate with the entry of Rafa Benitez, the man who signed enough dead wood at Anfield to fill a timber yard and then lasted just six months at Inter Milan.

Having got 65 goals out of Torres in 102 league appearances at Liverpool, the hope that his fellow Spaniard can revive the defunct striker is Abramovich’s last throw of the dice on this particular subject. But how do you breathe life into a corpse?

Meanwhile, Pep Guardiola continues his sabbatical in New York.

Having spent his entire senior managerial career at Barcelona — a club that does everything the right way — he must weigh up the pros and cons of joining another that is more often making news for all the wrong reasons.

Few would blame him if he regarded a move to the managerial graveyard of Chelsea, a place where the players are the last to be held to account, as one he could quite easily swerve.

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I blame Torres for the War in Gazza!

I blame Torres for poverty in Africa!

I blame Torres for the lack of protein in my diet!

http://www.goal.com/...matteos-chelsea

http://www.dailymail...eil-Ashton.html

Where's there smoke there's fire

Where there's goal.com and the Daily Fail, there's bollocks.

I blame Torres for the War in Gazza!

I blame Torres for poverty in Africa!

I blame Torres for the lack of protein in my diet!

Erm... What about Mikel?

Erm... What about Mikel?

I'm not that cruel!

I blame Torres for the War in Gazza!

I blame Torres for poverty in Africa!

I blame Torres for the lack of protein in my diet!

Too much Torres in your diet might induce fits of rage and it's side effect have been proven to be sackings - Rafa had immunity cause of all the time spend around Sulking Spaniards and in small part being one

I think as fans we can be pissed at Torres for losing form again, but I certainly don't blame him for Robbie going/Rafa coming. That situation alone rests with the board, and if anything, will put even more pressure on him to find form again quickly.

We look to be building a squad, including managers to accommodate one player at the moment, but that isn't the fault of Torres.

I was led to believe that Rafa and Torres didn't get on at all in the last little while at Liverpool.

A broken clock is correct twice a day......................

What ever way you look a it, it is still standing still, while others move around it, to look beyond for the truth.

when has he admitted that?

Earlier this season in an interview.

Could be crap, but highly believable:

Rupert Bell ‏@Rupertbell

Benitez Spent 20 mins on phone to Roman just before it broke.Says Torres has degenerative knee problem hence loss of pace@sportsbreakfast