To be fair that's contingent upon

a) Real performing poorly under Zidane this season

and

b) Calderon not chatting sh*t in the first place

Some papers say he has rejected the chance to return. Who knows? Maybe its Calderon talking sh*t as you suggested.

Have you seen Frank Lampard in his prime?

 

Sorry, but Hazard is better. I know you don't want to hear it, but it's the truth.

Sorry, but Hazard is better. I know you don't want to hear it, but it's the truth.

 

I would say that Hazard is more talented, but he's definitely not better than Lamps was in his prime.

I don't know how you can even say that when Lamps has had so many years of consistantly performing at the highest level.

 

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

I'd take a consistent 20 goals a season player with limited dribbling abilities, over a prima donna dribbler who sometimes scores when he feels up to it.

Edited January 5, 201610 yr by Zola

I would say that Hazard is more talented, but he's definitely not better than Lamps was in his prime.

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

I completely agree, Hazard has a long way to go and would need a lot of improvement particularly in his drive and passion if he is to ever get on Lampard's level.

Edited January 5, 201610 yr by PedroMendez

http://www.espnfc.com/chelsea/story/2780246/hazard-injury-not-as-bad-as-chelsea-first-feared-sources

 

 

As noted by the report, Hazard is expected to be out for no longer than two weeks, which would rule him out of this weekend’s FA Cup clash with Sc**thorpe and next week’s Premier League encounter with West Bromwich Albion.

Maybe we "deduce" it, because you can see that his heart isn't in it and no goals for 3000 minutes on top of that. I also heard somewhere he was first off the pitch for lunch; first to the showers, and first to go home everyday. I think he was having an affair with cougar Eva!!!! and his heart is broken .. .. poor lad !

 

Oh well if you heard "somewhere" it must be true!  Especially in this day of social media where absolutely everything anybody hears "somewhere" is true.  That explains everything.

Oh well if you heard "somewhere" it must be true! Especially in this day of social media where absolutely everything anybody hears "somewhere" is true. That explains everything.

Now I'm no expert but if I'm not mistaken I believe there may be a very slight pinch of sarcasm in here...

Now I'm no expert but if I'm not mistaken I believe there may be a very slight pinch of sarcasm in here...

I would say that Hazard is more talented, but he's definitely not better than Lamps was in his prime.

I don't know how you can even say that when Lamps has had so many years of consistantly performing at the highest level.

 

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

 

Well the question was related to talent. Hazard is not just more talented, but a lot more talented than Lampard. He also won many more individual trophies at 24 with many years to go, kept the club afloat and even won us the league.

 

I agree that Lampard works harder though. That must have to do with the fact that he identifies himself more with Chelsea. Hazard wants to be in a team that plays his beautiful style and generally play for the highest honours. This won't be possible at Chelsea so he seems to have lost his motivation. I think he should leave because he belongs at Barca or Madrid

Well the question was related to talent. Hazard is not just more talented, but a lot more talented than Lampard. He also won many more individual trophies at 24 with many years to go, kept the club afloat and even won us the league.

 

I agree that Lampard works harder though. That must have to do with the fact that he identifies himself more with Chelsea. Hazard wants to be in a team that plays his beautiful style and generally play for the highest honours. This won't be possible at Chelsea so he seems to have lost his motivation. I think he should leave because he belongs at Barca or Madrid

 

Well you said Hazard is better than Lampard, not more talented. But if that's what you meant then alright.

I'm not going to judge a player on individual trophies, pretty pointless in my opinion.

 

I'm curious to know your sources by the way, how do you know Hazard doesn't want to play for us/lost his motivation? Also, why isn't it possible to play for the highest honours here? Last time I checked Chelsea is a big club that plays for the big prizes. If Hazard feels too big to try his best when his team is struggling he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near a big club. 

Well you said Hazard is better than Lampard, not more talented. But if that's what you meant then alright.

I'm not going to judge a player on individual trophies, pretty pointless in my opinion.

 

I'm curious to know your sources by the way, how do you know Hazard doesn't want to play for us/lost his motivation? Also, why isn't it possible to play for the highest honours here? Last time I checked Chelsea is a big club that plays for the big prizes. If Hazard feels too big to try his best when his team is struggling he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near a big club. 

 

There were quotes in the past when he mentioned he was meant 'to do it all by himself' or that 'Chelsea is not made to play football'. There was no explicit criticism but I think you and I can see the frustration and where it must be coming from. He is not the type of player who wants to play it boring/dirty, which is what we do, particularly in big games.

 

The bottom line is I am inferring it. It's not hard to see though, is it?

 

Chelsea is a big club yes, but there are bigger clubs out there. And Hazard - with his talent - is free to pick one of them. I do understand him and if he were to leave it would be the right decision for him.

 

If I am honest, I've always wondered why he picked us in the first place. Must have been an impulse because of the Champions League win. It made Chelsea look better than it was.

first of all  i aint jesus christ ;P , i love hazard too but is he really irreplaceable like some people think? i dont think so but thats just me... and if hes the most talented  chelsea player that u ever seen well we cant really argue because hes not even in my top 5...

 

i would like him to stay but i would like a change of attitude, i want the smiley hazard the one who jokes with everyone but i havent seen that in a long time...

 

and gaitan actually goes into the box and scores goals

 

 

Have you seen Frank Lampard in his prime?

 

I said Hazard is the most talented player i have seen play for Chelsea i didn't say he was the best player I've seen play for Chelsea there is a difference between the two. Hazard has to achieve a lot more to be the best player i have seen play for Chelsea. But in terms of pure natural talent Lampard doesn't come close to Hazard, Zola is the closest.

Well the question was related to talent. Hazard is not just more talented, but a lot more talented than Lampard. He also won many more individual trophies at 24 with many years to go, kept the club afloat and even won us the league.

 

I agree that Lampard works harder though. That must have to do with the fact that he identifies himself more with Chelsea. Hazard wants to be in a team that plays his beautiful style and generally play for the highest honours. This won't be possible at Chelsea so he seems to have lost his motivation. I think he should leave because he belongs at Barca or Madrid

Im intrigued. how did he keep the club afloat?

I'd take a consistent 20 goals a season player with limited dribbling abilities, over a prima donna dribbler who sometimes scores when he feels up to it.

 

Well actually he was our top scorer a few times (2 or 3?), and I would describe him as one of the most humble players in the squad. Ever watched him react to being fouled 20 times per game? Do you even realize he has better stats than you Mr. Zola?

 

If I was him I'd be out at the first given opportunity rather than play for supporters like you. 

Edited January 5, 201610 yr by PythonLu

Im intrigued. how did he keep the club afloat?

 

 

He was the only good player for long stretches. Particularly in the RDM/Benitez period and the second part of Mourinho's first season. Most goals, by far most chances created in the league etc.

 

PSG offered how much? 80m? The highest offer for Lampard was 5m from Inter Milan in 2010 I believe.

 

It's ridiculous really. Barring Robben, he is by far the most talented player Chelsea have ever had and all he gets is spite because he's not British and wants the club to play good football instead of the primitive crap that brought the Premier League down to where it is.

 

Honestly I hope he gets out asap.

You hope our most talented player (in your opinion) leaves the club you support? And I hope you leave and support someone else as soon as possible, your disparaging of possible the best player we have had in our history is disgusting and pathetic. 

There were quotes in the past when he mentioned he was meant 'to do it all by himself' or that 'Chelsea is not made to play football'. There was no explicit criticism but I think you and I can see the frustration and where it must be coming from. He is not the type of player who wants to play it boring/dirty, which is what we do, particularly in big games.

 

The bottom line is I am inferring it. It's not hard to see though, is it?

 

Chelsea is a big club yes, but there are bigger clubs out there. And Hazard - with his talent - is free to pick one of them. I do understand him and if he were to leave it would be the right decision for him.

 

If I am honest, I've always wondered why he picked us in the first place. Must have been an impulse because of the Champions League win. It made Chelsea look better than it was.

Are you sure you are watching/following the same team ?   Boring I can just about forgive you for because at times we have played some rather tepid football but dirty ??  In my opinion we are on the receiving end of fouls far more than we dish them out. The game against Man Utd being a prime example. Hazard in particular was cynically targeted and afforded no protection whatsoever from the referee, little wonder then if he is becoming jaded with the Premier League.

 

Im intrigued. how did he keep the club afloat?

That's puzzling me as well. Ken Bates kept the club afloat, Roman has not only provided the lifeboats but also refunded the entire fleet taking us to new levels.

He was the only good player for long stretches. Particularly in the RDM/Benitez period and the second part of Mourinho's first season. Most goals, by far most chances created in the league etc.

 

PSG offered how much? 80m? The highest offer for Lampard was 5m from Inter Milan in 2010 I believe.

 

It's ridiculous really. Barring Robben, he is by far the most talented player Chelsea have ever had and all he gets is spite because he's not British and wants the club to play good football instead of the primitive crap that brought the Premier League down to where it is.

 

Honestly I hope he gets out asap.

Now you are talking absolute bollocks to be honest. " all he gets is spite because he's not British " ?

 

That really is a pathetic statement, and you need to get that chip off your shoulder.

It's ridiculous really. Barring Robben, he is by far the most talented player Chelsea have ever had

Gianfranco Zola says hello.

Mata was undisputedly the best player during those pre-Jose years mentioned. Forgive me for saying so, but you speak very dismissively of a player who performed feats that no ever midfielder had ever performed or will probably ever perform.

Lampard was supremely consistent, very intelligent, had the mental attributes of a true champion, a leader. He was always involved in goals and chances whenever he played, either through scoring, assisting, making key passes, set peices, etc. If anything, most of the team's good play went through Lampard.

Just because he wasn't a dribbler and wasn't foreign doesn't give anyone any right to speak of him in that way.

He scored an insane amount of goals from MIDFIELD, made an insane amount goals, made the team click, forced the issue when needed and calmed the play when needed. How many times did he come up with match winners and important goals when there was no one else? He scored tap in's, wonder goals, freekicks, pens under pressure, all on the biggest stages and season after season, over and over and over.

You can talk about Hazard and what he has achieved thus far, but will he be burnt out in a few years? What will he be doing when he is in his 30s?

All that and we haven't even mentioned the professionalism and example he would have setv for others and the youth and his influence behind the scenes at the club.

I think the very person he is being compared to would probably echo those feelings himself, if we are to go by his words and interviews.

And as for today's grotesquely bloated transfer fees where unproven youngsters are being bought for 35m and 40m, a prime Lampard would imho easily cost 80m+ if fees were measured on footballing value alone.

Maybe some of the feeling towards Hazard is a little unwarranted, but I hope we can keep Frank Lampard out of that.

RE Hazard vs Lampard.

I've not seen Hazard score goals of the technical brilliance of those that Frank scored like the lobbed goals against Barca and Hull. The chest, turn and volley against Munich. Any of the numerous 30 yard thunderbolts.

Frank's passing range was much better too, he could play a. 30/40 yard defence splitting through ball (one in particular for Drogba I'm thinking of I think against Man City)

With the exception of dribbling I don't think Hazard can do anything than Frank did personally.

I said Hazard is the most talented player i have seen play for Chelsea i didn't say he was the best player I've seen play for Chelsea there is a difference between the two. Hazard has to achieve a lot more to be the best player i have seen play for Chelsea. But in terms of pure natural talent Lampard doesn't come close to Hazard, Zola is the closest.

I disagree. In my opinion Lampard was more talented in his prime than Hazard.

maybe the most potential because he isn't a great defender , finisher or even being consistent ...being talented is not just dribbling around players

Edited January 5, 201610 yr by DidierDrogbalala

PSG offered how much? 80m? The highest offer for Lampard was 5m from Inter Milan in 2010 I believe.

LoL PSG always overpay because they can. They paid 50m for Luiz.

Edited January 5, 201610 yr by Michael440