we're in a situation where for some

 

1) if the players continue their poor form this will prove the board was wrong to sack jose and the players really are rubbish. jose should have been allowed to replace them all.

 

2) if the players improve then this will prove that they betrayed jose and thus deserve to be treated as traitors. jose should have been allowed to replace them all.

 

this sort of circular self deception- a kind of rigged 'logic' I think speaks to the esteem jose is rightly held in. but I don't think it will help even as a coping mechanism in the long term. the more I read on here the more I see it is becoming fait accompli.

Quite a position some of our players have placed themselves in, eh?

 

Got to take a look in the mirror when you provide the groundwork for failing regardless of if you win or lose. In my mind anyways.

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I personally think hazard is the mastermind behind this. He chose us because we won the champions league. He will never be ours . I don't see if he's the same level as ronaldo or messi . He never had won us a game on his own . Not this season not last season. If ure ronaldo and messi mold you will be very special.

I would be happiest when this little rat leaves. Not to RM but to PSG and he retires there .

Pathetic little twerp

I totally agree with you. We should sell this piece of sh*t (hazard) to PSG as soon as possible.

If you didn't know him you would think he's quiet and humble guy but that's just a facade.

He's a mastermind manipulator piece of sh*t!

If I saw him somewhere I would whoop his ass!

after his disgraceful gesture to the manager on Monday after getting subbed off for a dead leg or whatever it was

 

I no longer have any appreciation for Eddie

 

he's been trousers all season long and last seasons accolades obviously went to his over inflated head

 

cash in come January 

Edited December 18, 201510 yr by General

It's interesting just how many of us don't feel any great affinity or connection with Hazard. Especially when he's been presented to us as the next great thing in football. Even Jose made the effort to boost Hazards reputation.

I would be relieved to see him go. I just don't feel he has the club's interests at heart, it seems to be all about him.

Jose decided to sell KDB Mata and Lukaku. 3 players better than Oscar, Salad, Cuadrado, Pedro and Costa. What a idiot of a mistake.

It's interesting just how many of us don't feel any great affinity or connection with Hazard. Especially when he's been presented to us as the next great thing in football. Even Jose made the effort to boost Hazards reputation.

I would be relieved to see him go. I just don't feel he has the club's interests at heart, it seems to be all about him.

 

But he's far from the only player where "it's all about him".

 

The ideology of players putting club first has long gone.  Long-term commitment has flown out of the window.  Players are financial units that sit on balance sheets.

 

Do we really think our club & players feel like us supporters languishing at the bottom of the table?  No way do they. Me?  I'm ****img embarrassed about where we lie in the table and hate the *iss taking of friends and associates who support Spuds, Gooners, Vermin or either of the Manc's.  I really hate it.

 

As far as the club itself is concerned they are probably more worried about the possibility of waning support and not filling our 60000-er.  Or failing to attract another sponser who will stump up millions to emblazon their brand on our third kit shin pads or whatever.

 

As for the players - my guess is that they are more concerned with their personal stock falling than our club.  Thoughts of jumping ship to get a CL berth next season will be in some heads along with their long term prospects of getting their coaching badges or whatever.  These are rich young men (or at least well on their way to becoming rich) and their world is full of Ferraris and shag-a-wag.  What they do on the pitch is no more than a job to them just like the rest of us.  They come, they go.  Very few are emotionally attached to the club.  Even Frank let us down in the end.  How the *uck he could play against us is beyond me.  And 'that' goal still chills my heart - I just can't forgive him for that.

 

Ultimately the whole lot of them play for themselves.  Some behave despicably to the fans.  At St.James's earlier this season only 5 players made any attempt to thank the fans - the rest just trooped off down the tunnel with no acknowledgement of us whatsoever.

 

Hazard is no different to the rest of them.  He is a bland character which probably doesn't help his cause and at times he is a lazy *astard and thus he is not overly endearing.

 

As for his talent.  What utter claptrap it was comparing him to Messi/Ronaldo.  He is an order or two down from them and quite frankly unless he can find a way of translating cross-pitch pretty dribbles into goals he will ever remain thus.

 

I don't see him as 'one of ours' but then I don't see many of that ilk in Blue.  Current squad JT/Azpi/Brana and that's about it

Edited December 19, 201510 yr by Bloo

Strange world, BelgradeCFC.

If we lose hazard in the summer we will struggle next season. You don't let go of your best players. I know he's out of form but we have to do everything to keep him, and i would hope he stays and helps us next season rather than just abandoning the ship because it's got a little rocky.

He should of took the penalty.

If we lose hazard in the summer we will struggle next season. You don't let go of your best players. I know he's out of form but we have to do everything to keep him, and i would hope he stays and helps us next season rather than just abandoning the ship because it's got a little rocky.

 

If we're struggling with him we'll be absolutely nothing without him. He is the only great player we have left. It is not a coincidence Guardiola talked about 10 new players - and not 11.

He should of took the penalty.

Was at the game and saw as he got up from the foul he was struggling. The bench asked him twice about coming off, I think if he had started he would have come off. After Leicester he must have thought twice about it. He couldn't run properly after the pen and was limping when not involved.

If we're struggling with him we'll be absolutely nothing without him. He is the only great player we have left. It is not a coincidence Guardiola talked about 10 new players - and not 11.

I was assuming he meant Curtois as the exception.

Obviously he didnt mean replace our entire first team barring one but Thibo was the first that came to my mind

Edited December 27, 201510 yr by TheChelseaBlues

If we're struggling with him we'll be absolutely nothing without him. He is the only great player we have left. It is not a coincidence Guardiola talked about 10 new players - and not 11.

I think this talk about 10 new players is him saying "No thank you I don't want to be Chelsea manager".

Also 10 new players is total BS if you ask me. If we kept Hazard that would also mean we would have to get rid off one of the best goalkeepers in the world and one of the best defenders (Azpi).

Edited December 27, 201510 yr by Michael440

I think he's a fantastic, fantastic footballer whose stats don't tell half the story about how good he is. protects the ball so well, carries it, fearlessly puts his body in the way of the ball. no-one around in britain attracts or takes half the kicking he does. I think he's better than bale. bale's great obviously and scores more but he's a much less multi-faceted footballer IMO. I don't think we'd have won the league with him instead of eden last season- and I'm confident he wouldn't have been on the pitch for even 70% of the time hazard was given the kicking he took.

 

he isn't messi or ronaldo, but so what? he's also not pele or maradona. those two have put themselves in the list of all timers during their careers- they're freaks. if we let go of hazard we won't replace him with someone better. I can't convince anyone that he doesn't think we're a stepping stone, but I'm fairly relaxed about that. if we sell him he should go for a world record. hopefully we reach the level of madrid, barca and bayern and then it might be a moot point. I think we should enjoy him while he's here in any case.

 

no-one in football really has a bad word to say about him, he is never found falling out of nightclubs and I think he deserves a bit of the benefit of the doubt from some on here. I don't think he's even been as bad as his stats now suggest this season- in every game we play I still feel he's the most likely to create something. he's been a little unlucky IMO- in some games he's been the best player on the field but people don't get on the end of what he creates, or he misses a pen or hits the bar etc

 

p.s. why are people taking this guardiola "quote"* so seriously? why is it assumed he means the first 11 rather than squad? no manager worth his salt would need to make 10 changes to the first 11.

 

 

 

* it isn't actually a quote.

Edited December 27, 201510 yr by g3.7

I think he's a fantastic, fantastic footballer whose stats don't tell half the story about how good he is. protects the ball so well, carries it, fearlessly puts his body in the way of the ball. no-one around in britain attracts or takes half the kicking he does. I think he's better than bale. bale's great obviously and scores more but he's a much less multi-faceted footballer IMO. I don't think we'd have won the league with him instead of eden last season- and I'm confident he wouldn't have been on the pitch for even 70% of the time hazard was given the kicking he took.

 

he isn't messi or ronaldo, but so what? he's also not pele or maradona. those two have put themselves in the list of all timers during their careers- they're freaks. if we let go of hazard we won't replace him with someone better. I can't convince anyone that he doesn't think we're a stepping stone, but I'm fairly relaxed about that. if we sell him he should go for a world record. hopefully we reach the level of madrid, barca and bayern and then it might be a moot point. I think we should enjoy him while he's here in any case.

 

no-one in football really has a bad word to say about him, he is never found falling out of nightclubs and I think he deserves a bit of the benefit of the doubt from some on here. I don't think he's even been as bad as his stats now suggest this season- in every game we play I still feel he's the most likely to create something. he's been a little unlucky IMO- in some games he's been the best player on the field but people don't get on the end of what he creates, or he misses a pen or hits the bar etc

 

p.s. why are people taking this guardiola "quote"* so seriously? why is it assumed he means the first 11 rather than squad? no manager worth his salt would need to make 10 changes to the first 11.

 

 

 

* it isn't actually a quote.

 

I didn't agree with you on Jose going and you saying we had no other choice.

 

But I totally agree with you on Hazard.

 

A special player who should be producing most of our goals, either via free kicks he earns by protecting the ball so well and drawing the fouls, or by drawing players out of position and creating openings in defences, and occasionally chipping in with a few goals and penalties, more goals will come with confidence and less pressure.

 

Losing Lampard was a massive loss to the team, losing Hazard would be on par with that at least (considering our current position). I would like to think Roman would be very insistent on Eden at least seeing out his current contract, and even better if we can turn things around, get him firing on all cylinders and end up putting in a run of wins to compete for fourth spot. He needs to be happy to stay.

I just brought that quote up because it suited my argument, but they're obviously not related at all. In fact I doubt Guardiola ever said that. That would be very unprofessional.

 

However, I do think that Hazard is our only great player. Letting him go would be insane.

I just brought that quote up because it suited my argument, but they're obviously not related at all. In fact I doubt Guardiola ever said that. That would be very unprofessional.

However, I do think that Hazard is our only great player. Letting him go would be insane.

I dont doubt he said that, besides Dave, Thibo and Zouma I cant think of any of the regulars Id take issue with us selling or not starting.

End of the day it will be Hazard who decides if he stays or goes. Just as Robben before him did.

damn, imagine the headline had hazard was the one who took the penalty and scored after he made it himself.. what a pity..

I think he's a fantastic, fantastic footballer whose stats don't tell half the story about how good he is. protects the ball so well, carries it, fearlessly puts his body in the way of the ball. no-one around in britain attracts or takes half the kicking he does. I think he's better than bale. bale's great obviously and scores more but he's a much less multi-faceted footballer IMO. I don't think we'd have won the league with him instead of eden last season- and I'm confident he wouldn't have been on the pitch for even 70% of the time hazard was given the kicking he took.

he isn't messi or ronaldo, but so what? he's also not pele or maradona. those two have put themselves in the list of all timers during their careers- they're freaks. if we let go of hazard we won't replace him with someone better. I can't convince anyone that he doesn't think we're a stepping stone, but I'm fairly relaxed about that. if we sell him he should go for a world record. hopefully we reach the level of madrid, barca and bayern and then it might be a moot point. I think we should enjoy him while he's here in any case.

no-one in football really has a bad word to say about him, he is never found falling out of nightclubs and I think he deserves a bit of the benefit of the doubt from some on here. I don't think he's even been as bad as his stats now suggest this season- in every game we play I still feel he's the most likely to create something. he's been a little unlucky IMO- in some games he's been the best player on the field but people don't get on the end of what he creates, or he misses a pen or hits the bar etc

p.s. why are people taking this guardiola "quote"* so seriously? why is it assumed he means the first 11 rather than squad? no manager worth his salt would need to make 10 changes to the first 11.

* it isn't actually a quote.

Well said. It's hilarious how such a 'quote' was made the premise to every subsequent discussion. No one mentioned Pep without the 10 player stipulation :).

About Dave, he's World Class in everyone's eyes just because he is hard to beat one on one and always gives his all. Does that make him a world class fullback? He is not particularly pact or skillful or a great passer or crosser. Very solid but we need our fullbacks to contribute more offensively. Dave barely does. It is almost a fad to revere Dave.

Just putting this view out there. I still really rate him!

About Dave, he's World Class in everyone's eyes just because he is hard to beat one on one and always gives his all. Does that make him a world class fullback? He is not particularly pact or skillful or a great passer or crosser. Very solid but we need our fullbacks to contribute more offensively. Dave barely does. It is almost a fad to revere Dave.

Just putting this view out there. I still really rate him!

Agreed, he's well suited to games in which we should perhaps look to contain and nullify the opponents strengths, but offensively his contribution is next to nothing other than recycling possession and forward runs to create space, things you would perhaps consider to be the bread and butter of any full back.

Sorry for OT post in Eden's thread btw.

Edited December 28, 201510 yr by the special one

Agreed, he's well suited to games in which we should perhaps look to contain and nullify the opponents strengths, but offensively his contribution is next to nothing other than recycling possession and forward runs to create space, things you would perhaps consider to be the bread and butter of any full back.

Sorry for OT post in Eden's thread btw.

Agree. I would say he he doesn't make the greatest runs even. But how can he, you need a strong left foot to overlap successfully.

Sorry for the digression! Back on track.