One positive about Jose's sacking is that Hazard won't have to waste tie and energy tracking back anymore. Should make him more dangerous in attack.

There are of course two sides to every argument Barry and both have merits.

 

But you are crediting Jose with Hazard getting POTY when it could well be down to his natural progression and him starting to reach his peak. So Jose gets credit for Hazards form last year should he get the criticism for his form this season? Not sure if Neymar would have carried us over the line last season like Hazard did.

 

And Neymar - let's see if his record would be anywhere near as good in a tougher league like the PL where there aren't easy games most weeks and he didn't have Messi and Suarez alongside him. Totally unfair comparison. Hazard IS by far our most naturally gifted player and IMO on that basis should be given the proper No.10 role. IF and when he moves, I'm sure his new club would look to do exactly that.

 

If you are assuming I am saying Mourinho gets all credit for Eden's POTY, you're wrong.  Does Mourinho get some?  Funny, every other manager seems to get credit when under their watch an under performer turns into BPL POTY.  

 

I give Mourinho credit because for me it was clear to see the difference in Hazard's overall game  since Mourinho.  Mourinho made him into a much better player, perhaps not attacker, but he helped mold that guy who was able to drag this team over the finish line as champions.  

 

That player inst here this season and its in my firm belief that a large part of this lack of form is due to the mentality of the player.  I don't see a player desperate to give their all and do better, I see a player frustrated and giving off the impression that they deserve better so they'll perform as and when they like.  Just my reading, I could be wrong but I think anyone who starts analyzing last season Hazard with this season Hazard might just notice a few differences.

 

it's such an empty, superficial comparison anyway.

 

oh neymar plays on the left for barca and hazard on the left for chelsea... so they are comparable? in different teams, with different teammates and different instructions. neymar is a forward. hazard is not. I'm so bored of this idea that you can credit the manager with his form when he plays well, but once he plays badly he's an overrated mercenary. no credit given to a player who has never once complained. I don't think I can recall a player get kicked as much as eden last season on his way to dragging us to the title. even when the team ran out of energy this guy kept going, never missed a game and never once hid. and now because his form is bad (actually, merely inconsistent is probably closer to the truth) its time to turn on him?

 

also do you really need to score 20+ goals to justify playing behind a striker? if you can run the game and create for others that should be enough IMO. imagine people looking at a genius like rui costa and saying "not bad but he really should be playing out wide".

I agree its a bad comparison but I didn't initiate the comparison, just pointed out that as an attacking player the stats suggest Hazard is grossly inferior to other players who get the free role in top tier teams.

 

Kind of my point G7.  Where is that Hazard this season?  Or is going from BPL POTY to not even the star man in a relegation battling team part of that natural progression?  His body language makes for an easy read this season.

 

25 games for CFC I believe, and his contribution to goals is a mere 2 assists.  Are you suggesting that merits a free role?  Well, guess it fits the league position to have those stats as your most creative player. 

 

Are some of us turning on him?  I don't know, can you if he's the one who has already turned?  4 goals in 4 games for Belgium this season and only two assists in 25 games for his club.  You tell me if he'e putting in the same shift for CFC this season as he has been for Belgium...a goal every game.

 

 Plus why should Hazard be #10?  He won POTY as winger, not a in a free role or as a #10.  If anything, Hazard has had more chances this season in those positions..... what a revelation!

 

 

 

 

 

Then perhaps I should make it clear again.  I have no doubt in my mind Hazard will be gone as soon as their is a starting position with his name on it at either Real Madrid, Barcelona or perhaps even Bayern Munich.  I've always been the mind that this was a stepping stone for him and I've seen little to suggest he wants to be here for the long haul.  I'm rather upset because I felt we had a manager, flawed as he might be, who is still the best in the game and had a genuine love for the club.  Now he is gone because of an atrocious season but really, it was the performances of players.  

 

Mourinho should of changed things up, in fact most of what we can blame him for is that he set out the team exactly the same as he did last season......yet we won the double and now we face relegation?  Such a drastic difference?  What changed?  Well apparently not the manager or his tactics, so whats left to explain the difference between the football of Champions and Championship football?

 

I dont hold Eden soley responsible but he is one of those big negative changes and I dont think it's because he had a Space Jam moment.

Can't say I've felt any great attachment to Eden Hazard, he's a player who leaves me pretty cold. I tend to appreciate players who show up in times of adversity; people who really are prepared to put in a shift or do a particular job for the team. Over the last decade we've been blessed to have a number of such players but Hazard isn't it. 

i'm not saying he should be central necessarily. it depends on the context of the team obviously. I'm only saying the comparison with neymar is a nonsense.

 

oh and also- I don't believe "free roles" exist. and I I think the idea someone plays in one position to earn the right to play in another is stupid. 

i'm not saying he should be central necessarily. it depends on the context of the team obviously. I'm only saying the comparison with neymar is a nonsense.

 

oh and also- I don't believe "free roles" exist. and I I think the idea someone plays in one position to earn the right to play in another is stupid. 

 I would agree with that.  I think the only role a player should focus on is the role that gives the greatest benefit to the team.  For some players that could be just waiting for the ball to make some magic which results in a goal.  I don't see that with Hazard here, at least not in the current situation.

He may think the shackles are off, guaranteed next manager won't have him Chasing right back to his six yard box, i have been saying for ages his emphasis should be on getting the ball ala Messi, and just do the stuff he was born to do, i would ask the next man in charge to instil more directness in his play though...

Can't say I've felt any great attachment to Eden Hazard, he's a player who leaves me pretty cold. I tend to appreciate players who show up in times of adversity; people who really are prepared to put in a shift or do a particular job for the team. Over the last decade we've been blessed to have a number of such players but Hazard isn't it.

Great post. Pretty much sums up how I feel about him. A great natural talent? Undoubtedly. An exciting player that can get you up off your seat? Indeed. But a leader? No. A man to carry the fight when backs are to the wall? Not really.

I would add, and please understand this is simply my own personal feeling, that he has no genuine affinity or sense of loyalty to Chelsea. He just sees it as a stepping stone to where he wants to go next.

It's very similar to how I felt about Robben when he was with us.

Edited December 17, 201510 yr by just

Flat track bully is our Mr hazard, still think he missed those pens against tel Aviv and stoke on purpose, his reaction looked as if he couldn't give a fxck

Flat track bully is our Mr hazard, still think he missed those pens against tel Aviv and stoke on purpose, his reaction looked as if he couldn't give a fxck

Ah now you've gone and broke it. There we all were, having a good discussion about Hazard. Exchanging reasoned views and thoughts. And then you post that garbage.

What a shame. Go and stand in the corner till play time.

Hazard is disgrace !!!

He will never be a Cheksea legend like Lampard, Terry, Cech or Zola.

Wouldn't bother me one bit if he was sold tbh.

Wouldn't bother me one bit if he was sold tbh.

Same here.

if you don't like your manager you still should play to your full potential - hazard gets paid massive amount of money. He's not professional and he can turn his back on someone else. I feel if he won't click with the new manager he won't be playing to his full potential and we simply can't have players like that on the squad.

And I'm also wondering if he missed those pens on purpose.

I would be bothered. 

 

He's the only player in our attack that does anything, when he's not playing we might as well park the bus cause we sure aren't going to create anything going forward.

Same here.

if you don't like your manager you still should play to your full potential - hazard gets paid massive amount of money. He's not professional and he can turn his back on someone else. I feel if he won't click with the new manager he won't be playing to his full potential and we simply can't have players like that on the squad.

And I'm also wondering if he missed those pens on purpose.

This is getting ridiculous. 

I would be bothered.

He's the only player in our attack that does anything, when he's not playing we might as well park the bus cause we sure aren't going to create anything going forward.

What's he done this season?

What's he done this season?

Absolutely nothing.

What's he done this season?

Kind of proves my point really. He's been off form and we've looked awful going forward as a result. Normally, even if everyone else was poor, he would be making things happen as he did towards the end of last season. 

Kind of proves my point really. He's been off form and we've looked awful going forward as a result. Normally, even if everyone else was poor, he would be making things happen as he did towards the end of last season.

No it doesn't.

Your point was he is the only player that offers anything in attack. Well clearly if that's the case then why has he done sod all since the season began? How many assists or goals has he provided thus far? I mean if he's the only one who offers these things then surely he must have a good few??

Kennedy has offered more for goodness sake.

The guys quite clearly jacked it in, his heads probably in Madrid or Paris. Time to cash in as he's as good as a man down these days

Edited December 18, 201510 yr by Chelsbear

We should sell this w**ker and buy player who will be proud to play for Chelsea.

No it doesn't.

Your point was he is the only player that offers anything in attack. Well clearly if that's the case then why has he done sod all since the season began? How many assists or goals has he provided thus far? I mean if he's the only one who offers these things then surely he must have a good few??

Kennedy has offered more for goodness sake.

The guys quite clearly jacked it in, his heads probably in Madrid or Paris. Time to cash in as he's as good as a man down these days

I think we can safely say this season is an anomaly. There are many contributing factors to the players underperforming that wouldn't normally have happened, so attempting to use the games so far as a reason to justify his sale is failing to look at the bigger picture. I would at least wait till the end of the season before making a call either way. 

Back among the goals and assists on Saturday? Maybe. If Eva is back on our bench, even better chance.

There's no doubt emotions are running high today. He had 3 good seasons with us, 2 as the best player in the team ( no debate). This season he's been a disaster, so as another 6-8 players in the team. I don't think there's a point to name and shame each one of them. He hasn't scored, ticked. He hasn't had many assists, because no striker was getting at the end of his delivery. The Leister game apart, he's still the most creative player, putting in pass/cross for the final touch ( which no one especially Costa got at the end of them). None of us are doctors here, so no one really know whether he was really injured against Leister. One thing I do know he's been the most faulted player in the league for over a year now. Most of us haven't taken that many kicks in the past decade, so let's not call him weak. He's no flat track bully, who got us the 3 points against United at the Bridge ( just one example)? As for deliberately missing penalties, that's as logical as Ronda Rousey got herself knocked out so she could do a movie and get a 10M rematch. He doesn't have the type of mentality as Frank or Drogba, that's fine, all players are different. He's still only 24, there are plenty of years ahead of him. I remember Robben was worse in his last year with us, I remember that FA cup final, he came on as a sub, got a kick, went off straight away. We sold him a month later, then everyone went crazy over the decision. People say he has no passion, do you expect the next signing from Brazil has real passion about Chelsea? They are football mercenaries, like it or not. Get him playing again, that's the only solution!

He's still only 24, there are plenty of years ahead of him.

Sorry mate but it's painful to read this. I hate hazard saying in his interviews "I'm still young, I'm still young".

He isn't young mate. He will be 25 years old in 3 weeks.

When it comes to Robben, he had that killer instinct that Hazard lacks and will never have.

Kenedy is young but certainly not Hazard.

He isn't young mate. He will be 25 years old in 3 weeks.

 

Don't remind me... we were born in the same week!