Don't know what it is about him, but why can't he beat players anymore? At the start of this season I'd have said he was the second best dribbler in the world behind Messi :(

It all depends on him, he can be amazing and give 100% other time he can be extreamly lazy.

lets suspend playes review for a while.. judge them again when the dressing room is fixed.. 

Jose didn't get the best out of anything. Hazard is the reason he still has his job. He was practically a one man team when other players tired after Christmas last year. He was the system, it was "give it to Hazard and hope for the best" for months. People say he doesn't perform "when the chips are down" as if the 2nd half of last season didn't happen. His performances improved as the team continually worsened. His performance at WHL for example is one of the best you'll ever see from a player on a losing team.

 

Hazard's still virtually the same player he was at Lille which is why every big club was after him that summer. His goalscoring stats and assist numbers have actually worsened under him. He's an artist, wizard that needs to be set free. Ancelotti, Pep, Wenger etc would get the best out of him.

 

Mourinho hasn't developed a single player in his 2nd spell at Chelsea. They've all actually either worsened under him or he sold/loaned them off at the first hurdle. He failed with Mikel, Joe Cole, Johnson, Robben and it's the same story again. He's a results first oriented manager that works best with experienced veterans, he isn't capable of grooming and nuturing talented players into great ones which is why his youth record is abysmal at every club he's been.

Edited December 15, 201510 yr by Gilvorak

He certainly looked a wizard last night when he disappeared after a nothing challenge.

"Chips are down" lol. When Hazard inevitably leaves this summer big clubs will be lining up in droves. He's probably had enough of the sh*t football we play, he complained about it 2 seasons ago and it's only gotten worse since then.

 

He's an elite player being held back by the club.

 

Spread you negativity on Talkchelsea, there are people who appreciate it and we all can live happily ever after.

I think you already are a member there, what are your intentions despite of provoking?

Don't want to be rude, but i have had enough of all this wind-up and one sided ideas.

 

Sorry @mods, but we can't let this people f**k everything up, i already dropped out of Talkchelsea because it's tiring to argue with this kind of people.

I don't want to say that Mourinho has done everything right, but it's not all on him and these kind of people aren't here for a reasonable discussion,

i don't have a problem with members who are reasoning and wanting Mourinho gone, fair play to them, i can only say.

I know i will regret this, but what about last season?

Hazard was the best player in the league, how could that happen? I thought Mourinho was trying to slow down his development?

That's really illogical

Jose is the devil bring on the exorcist, he can't develop a player, has been found out... did i forget to say something?

 

Now returning to the serious things:

Hazard has been piss poor so far and there are no signs of improvements, imo.

Yes, we can point the fingers to others, but one has to start somewhere.

I hope Abramovich let Mourinho or a new coach be ruthless and Hazard can warm the bench for now.

I'm fed up by this antics, for me he doesn't give a f**k anymore.

Yesterday Mourinho was cleary upset how quick Hazard gave up, no fight whatsoever.

 

Edited December 15, 201510 yr by Essien19

Jose didn't get the best out of anything. Hazard is the reason he still has his job. He was practically a one man team when other players tired after Christmas last year. He was the system, it was "give it to Hazard and hope for the best" for months. People say he doesn't perform "when the chips are down" as if the 2nd half of last season didn't happen. His performances improved as the team continually worsened. His performance at WHL for example is one of the best you'll ever see from a player on a losing team.

 

Hazard's still virtually the same player he was at Lille which is why every big club was after him that summer. His goalscoring stats and assist numbers have actually worsened under him. He's an artist, wizard that needs to be set free. Ancelotti, Pep, Wenger etc would get the best out of him.

 

Mourinho hasn't developed a single player in his 2nd spell at Chelsea. They've all actually either worsened under him or he sold/loaned them off at the first hurdle. He failed with Mikel, Joe Cole, Johnson, Robben and it's the same story again. He's a results first oriented manager that works best with experienced veterans, he isn't capable of grooming and nuturing talented players into great ones which is why his youth record is abysmal at every club he's been.

Explain to me how did Mourinho fail with Robben, Johnson, Joe Cole and Mikel again? they all enjoyed a successful period with Mourinho, Joe Cole turned in to a world beater thanks to Mou, he worked his ass off for the team, Robben was injured a lot and even played some great football with Mourinho when healthy, he was allowed to express himself, Johnson wanted more playing time so he left the club, i never really rated him that high, see his record in Liverpool, Mikel is a top professional and a class player, never complains and is always there when the team needs him, one of the players i respect most, he was turned into a defensive midfielder by Mou, when many people complained he had the qualities to be a offensive midfielder, so what? is Mikel ruined because of that? i don´t think so, he contibuted a lot to the team during the years and is an important member of the squad. Hazard is a lazy punk and needs to man up, a lot to learn and grow some huge balls first to even be mentioned in the same breath and class as Robben, Duff, Joe Cole, Zola, Flo, etc who all have played their hearts out for the club, no matter what. Mou clearly got the best out of his players, it´s not his fault that this current lot lack balls, respect, mentality, passion, desire, fight and hunger.

Edited December 15, 201510 yr by Johnnyeye

i see more hunger and desire in kenedy and traore, but neither ever get a chance. pisses me off. 

Spread you negativity on Talkchelsea, there are people who appreciate it and we all can live happily ever after.

I think you already are a member there, what are your intentions despite of provoking?

Don't want to be rude, but i have had enough of all this wind-up and one sided ideas.

Sorry @mods, but we can't let this people f**k everything up, i already dropped out of Talkchelsea because it's tiring to argue with this kind of people.

I don't want to say that Mourinho has done everything right, but it's not all on him and these kind of people aren't here for a reasonable discussion,

i don't have a problem with members who are reasoning and wanting Mourinho gone, fair play to them, i can only say.

I know i will regret this, but what about last season?

Hazard was the best player in the league, how could that happen? I thought Mourinho was trying to slow down his development?

That's really illogical

Jose is the devil bring on the exorcist, he can't develop a player, has been found out... did i forget to say something?

Now returning to the serious things:

Hazard has been piss poor so far and there are no signs of improvements, imo.

Yes, we can point the fingers to others, but one has to start somewhere.

I hope Abramovich let Mourinho or a new coach be ruthless and Hazard can warm the bench for now.

I'm fed up by this antics, for me he doesn't give a f**k anymore.

Yesterday Mourinho was cleary upset how quick Hazard gave up, no fight whatsoever.

Calling for the mods to flag a member who has been here since '09 because his post triggered you (funny you are only a week on here) . Whatever happened to simply ignore if it is too offensive?.

Edited December 15, 201510 yr by lesblues

Calling for the mods to flag a member who has been here since '09 because his post triggered you (funny you are only a week on here) . Whatever happened to simply ignore if it is too offensive?.

 

I was out of line, sorry.

Gilvorak explained his thoughts and now it's reasonable.

It's all good.

 

I was out of line, sorry.

Gilvorak explained his thoughts and now it's reasonable.

It's all good.

Its Gilvorak who deserves the apology. Good its settled, I'm not an exception, I get triggered too but i learnt its best to ignore. Though its been quite chaotic on here since yst.

Krc truth of the matter is, at his best, hazard is far and away better than anyone else at our club.

Am not buying this is just a bad spell for him. We saw him look special again against porto, cl football after all. In the league, average at best. Why is that?

What is clear to me is he will go, maybe to psg, maybe real. Will be a big fee, and he will be flying again.

He strikes me as someone that no longer wishes to be here. Maybe I am wrong, but I think he wants out.

He is not the only one, I think there are more that would jump at a chance to leave.

Edited December 15, 201510 yr by axman2526

Any player that doesn't want to be here..

I'd really hate us losing Hazard. Say what you like, he was the reason we won the title. Whatever Jose has done last season,  he didn't score those goals or put on the assists for the team. I hope it doesn't come to it's either Hazard or Jose situation, surely the relationship is not that broken. When Hazard does make it back, I hope Jose let him play the No 10 , maybe that's what he need to feel happy again and play his best. What's there to lose anyway? 

I Still feel he holds onto the ball too long , abit like Ross Barkley, on his day he can be electric just feel he needs to do things at a faster pace 

I agree, he's good when everything goes well, but when thing are sh*t he's out. He obviously doesn't give sh*t about this club anymore. He will never be legend like Lampard or Zola, he doesn't have it in him.

And I hate his stupid talk: " I'm still young, I'm still young" fu*k off little wan*er!!

 

 

When the chips are down and we are up against it this kid hides.

Will never be one of the elite players because he doesn't have it in him.

Pretty sure, last season, the chips were down and we were up against it and everything wasn't going well.

Hazard stepped up in the second part of last season and carried our attack for the remainder of the season.

 

Sorry but i don't get how anyone can say Hazard can't carry (lead) a team or that he isn't capable of taking responsibility when the team is up against it when he did exactly that last season.

We were struggling, PL title on the line and he stepped up.

 

He doesn't have it in him ? Odd he had it in him last season...

 

I get that people are frustrated about Hazard's current poor form but that's still no excuse for completely ignoring or belittling what he did less then a year ago.

 

3 great years vs 3 poor months and people want him out. smh

I'd really hate us losing Hazard. Say what you like, he was the reason we won the title. Whatever Jose has done last season,  he didn't score those goals or put on the assists for the team. I hope it doesn't come to it's either Hazard or Jose situation, surely the relationship is not that broken. When Hazard does make it back, I hope Jose let him play the No 10 , maybe that's what he need to feel happy again and play his best. What's there to lose anyway? 

Hazard, under the management of Mourinho, was the one of the reasons we won the title.

 

Or more simply put, Mourinho has won multiple BPL titles without Hazard, has Hazard ever won the BPL without Mourinho?

Jose didn't get the best out of anything. Hazard is the reason he still has his job. He was practically a one man team when other players tired after Christmas last year. He was the system, it was "give it to Hazard and hope for the best" for months. People say he doesn't perform "when the chips are down" as if the 2nd half of last season didn't happen. His performances improved as the team continually worsened. His performance at WHL for example is one of the best you'll ever see from a player on a losing team.

 

Hazard's still virtually the same player he was at Lille which is why every big club was after him that summer. His goalscoring stats and assist numbers have actually worsened under him. He's an artist, wizard that needs to be set free. Ancelotti, Pep, Wenger etc would get the best out of him.

 

Mourinho hasn't developed a single player in his 2nd spell at Chelsea. They've all actually either worsened under him or he sold/loaned them off at the first hurdle. He failed with Mikel, Joe Cole, Johnson, Robben and it's the same story again. He's a results first oriented manager that works best with experienced veterans, he isn't capable of grooming and nuturing talented players into great ones which is why his youth record is abysmal at every club he's been.

spot on

Shows we haven't been getting any penalties this season, Hazard hasn't scored yet.

Hazard, under the management of Mourinho, was the one of the reasons we won the title.

 

Or more simply put, Mourinho has won multiple BPL titles without Hazard, has Hazard ever won the BPL without Mourinho?

 

Not yet, but I'm quite sure he could.

 

I have always been in the camp that some players should be given a "free role". They are that good and can cause the opposition so many problems that we shopuld use them to do just that. You don't need EVERY player to be an all-rounder. Sure, you can get them to join in on the pressing game & closing down but who honestly wants to see a talent like Hazard using all his energy tracking back throughout a game? 

 

I liken it to Joe Cole. Many will argue that Jose made Joey a better player. Perhaps a better all-round player yes, but as many will also argue that under Jose, Joey was stifled and wasn't allowed to go out there and express himself. Would you stifle players like Messi, Neymar, Zola etc? And it's the same with Hazard - he needs to be our No.10 (which is the number he has on his back after all) and be allowed to play accordingly.

Wasn't it Rafa that told Hazard to start his game further up the field where he can influence things better?

Maybe Rafa was right all along..

Wasn't it Rafa that told Hazard to start his game further up the field where he can influence things better?

Maybe Rafa was right all along..

 

I would never go that far!!

Careful what you wish for. We sell Hazard and with no champions league football and no great pedigree at developing players, we could be stuck in mediocrity for for years. 

 

Keeping a player like Hazard after a season like this will be vital if we want to attract any big names. 

Thank you, Axman2526.

 

 

Football behind doors, you know?

Nothing new under the sun.

I'm probably going to be in the minority here but I find Hazard frustrating as hell to watch sometimes, he tries to over play it a lot of the time. He can be brilliant when he gets going & is direct. (See Arsenal pen)

But he doesn't do it enough for me, too much of his play is done on the sideline before playing it backwards.

For me he's a million miles of Ronaldo & Messi & Neymar.

I don't even think he's on the same level as the people just under that bracket such as Bale etc.

This isn't me just basing it on this season, if you look back when there was talk of Hazard for Bale in the summer I said it would be great business.

He is still one of if not the most talented player that we have, but maybe it's just I prefer direct players.

That's my thoughts anyway, hopefully he can turn his form around and get back to last seasons levels.

One other thing, I've not heard anything about his injury being serious, if it's not then to me it looks like he's bottled it on Monday, which isn't good enough when we're in the state we are.

He is a bottler