Lets see what happens once Hazard is sold. The same people who say he belongs in one category with Neymar Suarez Bale and so on will be the ones saying how sh*t he is and that he wont be missed. You can bet your house on that.

 

Just delusional.

Edited October 3, 20169 yr by reparto corse

Everyone who disagrees with me is delusional!

And no, every player we ever sell gets rated twice as highly once they leave.

So he's taken his ball and he's gone home? 

Presumably to count the panels, add the info to his spreadsheet and then pester the bookies with a photocopy of his mortgage? 

I like Eden Hazard, I think he's good at football. 

I've always felt Hazard was underrated, but I thought it was opposition fans who didn't appreciate him rather than Chelsea fans. I know he was awful last season till the last couple of games, but he was phenomenal when we won the league, and as he showed at the end of last season, he's still an exceptional talent when he's on his game. Some people have short memories.

He is capable of more than he's showing at the moment, and his goal-scoring is way below what it should be, but I'm amazed some people don't recognise how good a player he is.

My reaction to the last three pages of this thread can only be summed up by this. 

 

On 03/10/2016 at 07:11, dkw said:

Thats not a fact at all, its your opinion. And my opinion is you are completely wrong, and you are one of those weird fans who seem to take great delight in pointing out how overrated/sh*t our players are, then spend ages hunting out stats to prove how overrated/sh*t one of our players are. 

I'm not trying to make him out to be sh*t. I'm just accepting the reality of the situation. Hazard isn't the player people want him to be and likely never will be. He is 25 now, entering his prime, and he isn't much better nor consinstant then he was when he first came to Chelsea at the age of 21/22. He isn't a guy you can rely on in my opinion and that's why I don't rate him in the tier below Messi and Ronaldo. 

Speaking of Which, there is no there below Messi and Ronaldo any more. Suarez is better then Ronaldo and Messi is clearly ahead. Then guys like Neymar, Aguero, De Bruyne, Lewandowski and maybe Bale are below them. All of these guys have outperformed Hazard for a few years now (Some not for 2014/15 but most have).

On 03/10/2016 at 07:34, reparto corse said:

Sure but he is also the "go-to" guy for our team while other players play a smaller role for their team and still produce more goals and assists than Hazard. You can´t claim Hazard is a top-class player and then complain that the opponents focus on shutting him down. Every good forward has to deal with other teams throwing 2 sometimes 3 players at you. All teams playing Barcelona and Real Madrid do is parking the bus in La Liga. And yet the likes of Neymar Bale Suarez have ridiculous numbers of goals/assists. If defensive focus is the reason why Hazard´s output is mediocre then that´s another reason for him not being a top-class player for both club and country. That´s something people forget: Hazard is not delivering for Belgium either. His stats for Belgium are 14 goals 18 assists in 73 games. What about this strikes you as "top-class"?

 

 

You've just summed up my point.

Hazard doesn't have the likes of Neymar, Bale, Messi, Ronaldo or Suarez around him therefore all the onus is on him.

Lets be honest, no one plays well for Belgium. KDB isn't great for them either.

4 hours ago, Rusty-Man said:

I'm not trying to make him out to be sh*t. I'm just accepting the reality of the situation. Hazard isn't the player people want him to be and likely never will be. He is 25 now, entering his prime, and he isn't much better nor consinstant then he was when he first came to Chelsea at the age of 21/22. He isn't a guy you can rely on in my opinion and that's why I don't rate him in the tier below Messi and Ronaldo. 

Speaking of Which, there is no there below Messi and Ronaldo any more. Suarez is better then Ronaldo and Messi is clearly ahead. Then guys like Neymar, Aguero, De Bruyne, Lewandowski and maybe Bale are below them. All of these guys have outperformed Hazard for a few years now (Some not for 2014/15 but most have).

Neymar.. One of the most inconsistent players in the last year or so..

32 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Neymar.. One of the most inconsistent players in the last year or so..

 

Exactly. The only time I see Neymar is when someone posts a clip of him doing something amazing - bit like Hazards goals against Spurs and Liverpool end of last season.

We don't get to see all the instances where he has been completely pants - which he has been.

 

I like hazard a lot and he is top drawer but I think his start and stop would work with teams like barca who have the players around him to play off him for us it just causes us to walk round the box, we need to be more direct and for that reason if there was another world class replacement who is just a pacey powerful winger with a good end product like bale I would make that swap, I just think it would work better for us, elite Chelsea was built on solid defence and fast transition, not stop start  beat a man turn away from goal repeat, he would look phenomenal in a team like barca we will see flashes at Chelsea but never get consistency too much reliance on him and therefore too well marked and not got the players around him with the technical ability to make the most of his style. 

Edited October 4, 20169 yr by DonAntonio

Never did i think i would see a comment about we should sell a player because the rest of our team isn't good enough for him. Surely the argument would be to upgrade the other positions and become a world class team.

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Neymar.. One of the most inconsistent players in the last year or so..

Neymar who, in 2014/15, scored 39 goals and got 11 assists from a wide position and last year was Barcelona's best player when Messi was out at the beginning of the season. He is clearly a better and more effective player and his best season was better then Hazards best. Sure he is inconsistent but he is still more consistent then Hazard, who hasn't shown any consistency throughout his career (Bar maybe 2014/15 where Neymar was even more consistent). 

Hazard is a world class player, just wait for it. I will start from the most important thing, Hazard has played under 5 different coaches, every coach expected from him to do different things, but none of them gave him a freedom like Messi and Ronaldo have. Mourinho was using him more on tracking back than attack and still Hazard was our best player, scored goals and won us the title. There is a big plus, but also a minus, when I look at Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Bale, how many of them are tracking back?

Hazard is playing in the best league in the world, strongest league in the world, what Neymar is doing in La Liga he won't do in PL. At the moment, Hazard doesn't show his world-class form, but it's matter of time. I agree that he won't reach Messi's and Ronaldo's level, but he will get close.

I don't think it's the best league in the world tbh. The most marketable and interesting yes.

Just now, Chelsbear said:

I don't think it's the best league in the world tbh. The most marketable and interesting yes.

For me it is. 

La Liga - battle between Barcelona and Real Madrid, Atletico are on their way to the top as well.

Bundesliga - Last time Bayern Munich lost the league?

Seria A - Last time Juventus lost the league?

League 1 - Last time PSG lost the league?

Premier League is the real tournament, every team can beat the opponent, doesn't matter if he's on the top. 

50 minutes ago, Rusty-Man said:

Neymar who, in 2014/15, scored 39 goals and got 11 assists from a wide position and last year was Barcelona's best player when Messi was out at the beginning of the season. He is clearly a better and more effective player and his best season was better then Hazards best. Sure he is inconsistent but he is still more consistent then Hazard, who hasn't shown any consistency throughout his career (Bar maybe 2014/15 where Neymar was even more consistent). 

Hazard was consistent from about 2009 til 2015. 4 POTY and in 3 TOTY's in France and 2 POTY and 3 TOTY awards in England would say consistency isn't a problem for Hazard. One bad season and you seem to think he has always been inconsistent. Have you only started watching him last year? 

4 minutes ago, IliyaKrostin said:

For me it is. 

La Liga - battle between Barcelona and Real Madrid, Atletico are on their way to the top as well.

Bundesliga - Last time Bayern Munich lost the league?

Seria A - Last time Juventus lost the league?

League 1 - Last time PSG lost the league?

Premier League is the real tournament, every team can beat the opponent, doesn't matter if he's on the top. 

That's not really the way to define the best league, is it? otherwise, championship would get the nod..  "The Best" would be about the quality, not about the tight competition within a league itself.. Quality wise, La Liga is better, trophy wise (CL & Europa), still them so that's it...

 

On 3/10/2016 at 00:49, reparto corse said:

It is not about what Pogba has achieved but about what he is going to achieve. He has the potential to be one of the best central midfielders to ever play the game. He has a unique combination of passing, length and quickness. I once heard someone saying that he is like the love-child of Yaya Toure and Zidane and I agree with that. 

And come on now... Do I really need to explain why Pogba is more valuable then Hazard?

- First of all, Pogba would walk into the starting XI of every team there is in world football without any doubt

- Hazard on the other hand wouldn´t. 

- Pogba is coming of his best season yet. Hazard is coming of a terrible season.

- Pogba outproduced Hazard in terms of goals and assists by a large margin last year while playing much further away from goal and contributing to his teams defense. 

- Hazard has never had a really top-class season in terms of goals and assists in all of his career despite having a very offensive/free role as a forward. Compare his numbers to truly top-class forwards if you don´t believe it.

- Hazard is nowhere near his best and it is unclear if he ever returns to 2014-2015 form. 

 

Yes Pogba is a ManU-player and Hazard plays for us but totally ignoring reality can´t be good now, can it?

 

 

Your so called explanation is purely opinion but never mind, I'm not interested in opinion argument..

I just wanna add that if you want to compare between the 2 players then stay focus.. it's about hazard & pogba and nobody else.. Since you like to do stats comparison then do it fairly, that's the least you can do as a chelsea fan.. pogba is 23 right? and hazard is 25? Do the stat comparison respective to their age.. meaning by 23, what has hazard achieved?  I can tell you on collective effort, hazard won the french league with unfancy lille..  as for individual accolades, I'll leave it to you to find out because I can tell you know little about hazard so need to do your homework...

27 minutes ago, IliyaKrostin said:

For me it is. 

La Liga - battle between Barcelona and Real Madrid, Atletico are on their way to the top as well.

Bundesliga - Last time Bayern Munich lost the league?

Seria A - Last time Juventus lost the league?

League 1 - Last time PSG lost the league?

Premier League is the real tournament, every team can beat the opponent, doesn't matter if he's on the top. 

Most competitive/unpredictable, that doesn't equal the best.

Everyone has their view on it of course, I just don't rate it in terms as quality as the best.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Hazard was consistent from about 2009 til 2015. 4 POTY and in 3 TOTY's in France and 2 POTY and 3 TOTY awards in England would say consistency isn't a problem for Hazard. One bad season and you seem to think he has always been inconsistent. Have you only started watching him last year? 

Yeah, but other than winning all those awards that reward consistency and great play, what proof do you have that he consistent and plays great? And I want that proof in random stats that prove absolutely nothing, or I`m going to completely ignore it....

 

 

 

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Never did i think i would see a comment about we should sell a player because the rest of our team isn't good enough for him. Surely the argument would be to upgrade the other positions and become a world class team.

Being good and playing intricate football in a tight space aren't one in the same he is head and shoulders above anyone else technically so that's why I said it would be easier to bring in a winger like bale who relies on pace and end product because in reality that's more of a task we can do that get in 5 iniestas and David Silvia

Looking at Hazard - particularly this season and last - he looks like he is more suited to La Liga than the Premiership. I would love to see him prove me wrong but I don't think he will, therefore sell for good money and strengthen the squad with the proceeds.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Hazard was consistent from about 2009 til 2015. 4 POTY and in 3 TOTY's in France and 2 POTY and 3 TOTY awards in England would say consistency isn't a problem for Hazard. One bad season and you seem to think he has always been inconsistent. Have you only started watching him last year? 

The French league is absolute garbage and shows no bearing on a players ability. When Ben Arya is consistently great in a league, you know that the league doesn't have top players in it.

First season he started great, lost form in the middle and then found it again in March/April.

Second season he started picking up form in November and then droppedoff again towards the end (Injuries may have played a part in that). 

Third season was his best and most consistent. 

Last season was sh*t.

This season is like his first two. Two great games, three bad ones.

French Ligue is where a player's talent get sucked up. Di Maria, Jese. Zlatan is the only different case.