We have a strategy, most of these young lads don't make it here but we make a profit on them. 

 

Our loaning system is a way to make us a profit, signing players with potential that can be loaned out if they are unable to make it into the first team. They gain experience, increase their price and finally get sold off. Especially in certain positions like attacking midfielders and wide players there is a lot of competition here and Jose likes a particular type of player. Young players sometimes are simply trying too hard to impress while at CFC and when they get loaned out the pressure is easier to deal with since their starting spot is not as threatened. 

 

Looking at Salah the reason he is doing well is that he is good in a counter attacking system. Personally I didn't see enough of Salah while he was in CFC and now he gets a chance to play constantly in Fiorentina and is grabbing his chances there. This is great for us because he will undoubtedly raise his price, still I don't think he would be as effective with a club who constantly faces opponents who sit deep and don't allow much space for us. 

The goal against Juve was impressive 

Do Fiorentina have an option to buy?

 

Rumour is they have the option for a full season loan next season which would occur a loan fee of €1m but if they take up that option it triggers a clause where they have to buy him at the end of the loan for a fee which I believe is €15m.  

Rumour is they have the option for a full season loan next season which would occur a loan fee of €1m but if they take up that option it triggers a clause where they have to buy him at the end of the loan for a fee which I believe is €15m.

Bargain if he keeps his current form up.

Buying a player that is scoring more goals than the player they sold to us for double the price.

Haha I think 'godly' might be overstating it, he hasn't been a starter for anyone since he left Chelsea, other than one season at Sevilla which was blighted by injuries. He's currently starting at Anderlecht, but hasn't completed 90 minutes yet.

I think i'm getting that confused with his pre-season performances, which certainly were godly.

I dont get the argument that he was never given time at Chelsea, he has only played a couple of games for Fiorentina and scored goals so time and game minutes isnt really relevant.

I think i'm getting that confused with his pre-season performances, which certainly were godly.

 

I do love pre-season, the squad players really get a chance to shine. My favourite example:

 

I do love pre-season, the squad players really get a chance to shine. My favourite example:

 

Can you find one of the king of pre-season, Marko Marin?

He would come in very handy for games against Barca, or RM where you have 9 defenders, and then up front Salah in the centre circle, like a Greyhound in the trap.

Edited March 6, 201511 yr by coco

I do love pre-season, the squad players really get a chance to shine. My favourite example:

 

Now that is just taking the piss.

Could you not argue though, FCF, that Lukaku, Debruyne and Courtois all came through in countries where the setup is vastly superior to what Salah would have experienced.

On top of that, they had something like 80-90 games over a number of seasons prior to making their moves and been involved in youth academy level from younger.

Salah had 40 odd games for an Egyptian side, an another 40 odd for Basel.

Then he's at Chelsea playing in the Premier League.

He's had 13 appearances for Chelsea altogether, a good number, if not the majority of which were subs. He scored 2 goals.

Comments like Marin mark 2 and one of the worst ever signings...?

Just seems a little over the top.

Salah had 40 odd games for an Egyptian side, an another 40 odd for Basel.

Then he's at Chelsea playing in the Premier League.

He's had 13 appearances for Chelsea altogether, a good number, if not the majority of which were subs. He scored 2 goals.

Comments like Marin mark 2 and one of the worst ever signings...?

Just seems a little over the top.

 

According to Wiki Salah had 78 appearances for Basle and quite a few of those were in Europe before his move to Chelsea and he's also had more than 30 caps for his country so it's not like he was exactly green behind the ears was he. 

 

Why shouldn't he be regarded as a bad signing, he was the replacement for Mata and De Bruryne being sold and we paid £11m for him.

 

With the exception of one decent goal against Arsenal when we'd already soundly beaten them he's been rubbish and that includes games against lower league opposition. If that doesn't rank him as being a bad signing I don't know what does. 

 

Even in pre-season when he was starting consecutive games due to all the other wingers being absent through World Cup duty he was bad, some of us wondered if it was due to him fasting, turns out it was because he wasn't good enough. 

 

Like I said earlier, he's getting games in Italy and scoring a couple of goal, which is good and hopefully he does improve... Will he ever improve enough to be involved at Chelsea, personally I doubt it. 

 

As Ploks has pointed out, when he's playing for Fiorentina he's often the player that conceding possession the most in their side, often almost double figures. That kind of slackness in possession isn't tolerated by Mourinho and I doubt that's something he can eradicate from his game. 

FCF, I'm guessing your quite a few years my senior and have followed Chelsea for longer than I have. probably know more and about the game than I do as well.

But I have to say I find it strange you don't think a 22 year old can cut out slackness in his play, making more sensible choices in possession as he gets older?

He's not done well for Chelsea, that's a fact.

But the boy has hardly played for people to have labeled him a rubbish signing or a good signing. Of course, he isn't Chelsea quality yet (my opinion only), quite possibly he never will be... But it is quite funny how quick we are to judge a player.

Also, 11 million for a young talented player these days isn't a huge amount, I don't think.

You are right about the number of games he played for Basel, though. He had 43 league games but 78 in total.

(Doesn't show unless you click the detailed career stats breakdown. Same with Debruyne and Lukaku.)

Edited March 6, 201511 yr by GhostOfDembaPast

FCF, I'm guessing your quite a few years my senior and have followed Chelsea for longer than I have. probably know more and about the game than I do as well.

 

I'm not sure if I should be offended by this... I'm no spring chicken Ghost but I'm a fair way off collecting my pension just yet. 

 

But I have to say I find it strange you don't think a 22 year old can cut out slackness in his play, making more sensible choices in possession as he gets older?

 

My opinion with players is, generally by the around the age of 23 you can get an idea for how they'll develop. They can get better for sure and often do but certain traits don't really go away. Things like your first touch, either you've got it or you don't. Vision and spacial awareness, the same. The ability to make a well time tackle... etc. 

 

With little Mo, I think his decision making as a rule is terrible and he'll waste attacking opportunities more then he'll do something well. Just my opinion of course. 

 

But the boy has hardly played for people to have labeled him a rubbish signing or a good signing. Of course, he isn't Chelsea quality yet (my opinion only), quite possibly he never will be... But it is quite funny how quick we are to judge a player.

 

He was a January signing and he was chosen over all the wingers in the world to be the man that came in to provide us back up after allowing Juan Mata and Kevin De Bruyne to leave the club, two very gifted players one in particular was maybe the closest thing we had to Gianfranco Zola since he left the club. 

 

With that, comes a certain weight of expectation but Jose told us, much like he is with Cuadrado, he isn't a signing for now, he needs 6 months to adjust to a new league, a new country and a new team... That bought him a bit of a grace period and we Chelsea fans for the most part were willing to give the lad time. 

 

He has a full pre-season with us, playing game after game in the absence of Schurrle, Willian, Hazard and Oscar... He's got an opptunity to show Mourinho and the Chelsea fans what he's been building up to doe six months.... And he was pony. 

 

Season starts and in matches against the likes of Bolton and Bradford he's doing nothing, in fact he looks terrible and that's been the case every time he's stepped out on the pitch... At this level you only get so many chances and he failed to impress with any of them sadly. 

 

Also, 11 million for a young talented player these days isn't a huge amount, I don't think.

 

It's not excessive in today's market but we'll be fortunate to get back what we paid for him. In an age of FFP you can't be seen wasting £10m+ on players when they money could and maybe should be invested in players who are going to contribute effectively, we shouldn't be gambling with our signings which is what I feel like we did with Salah. 

Hehe, you 've certainly made your points.

Can't say I agree with them, but we all have our own way of looking at things I guess.

I suppose I can understand some of the feeling is due to this Mata and Debruyne situation. I had forgotten about that, even though I do recall people on here warning not b to expect too much.

My feelings at the time was he was another good young talent who might / might not do well, but I didn't have such high expectations. Didn't seem all that different from the club spending quite big on youngsters like Piazon, Atsu etc.

"He's been bought to fill the role Mata has been fulfilling, not to replace Mata..." (Mata wasn't having that much of an impact, and was pretty much a spare part. He had already been replaced by... Oscar!)

I had pretty much subscribed to this line of thinking with him, especially as it was more of an emergency signing with Mata choosing to leave so close to the window closing.

I really don't think it was a case of assessing what great options were out there and then deciding on Salah over them. To be honest, it was more a case of "window's closing, we need someone rather than no one, we know this boy is talented, plus he's relatively cheap."

But thanks for clarifying everything. It does make it a lot easier to understand where you're coming from.

Edited March 6, 201511 yr by GhostOfDembaPast

Can you find one of the king of pre-season, Marko Marin?

might be a stupid question, do we still own marin or did we manage to sell?

Some times a part doesn't fit in one machine but it becomes a vital cog in another. It doesn't mean the part is good or bad nor does it tell us anything about the respective machines other than the part fit one better than the other. I liked Salah at first but our squad needs a part that fits better, let's get the quick profit and let a youth or returning loanee try for those spare minutes

might be a stupid question, do we still own marin or did we manage to sell?

God only knows.

haven't fiorentina got him for another 16 months?

He's scored six goals in seven matches for Fiorentina. I must say he's been very impressive so far even though I was a scathing critic of his abilities when he was playing with us.

 

He's definitely doing himself no harm by performing well whether that means he wants to return to the club and fight for a first-team spot or if he wants to leave for Fiorentina his market value will increase which will be hugely beneficial for our club.

 

haven't fiorentina got him for another 16 months?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/mohamed-salah-chelsea-midfielder-completes-loan-switch-to-fiorentina-paving-way-for-juan-cuadrado-transfer-10018846.html

 

"The Egyptian winger will go to the Serie A club until the end of the season with an option for Fiorentina to buy him in the summer if he performs well for Vincenzo Montella’s team". 

might be a stupid question, do we still own marin or did we manage to sell?

I thought it was a stupid question, surely we had gotten rid of him by now but it turns out he's still on our books out on loan. 

Great to see him doing so well. I think he's found more of a home in Fiorentina and it doesn't hurt to be introduced as a starter right away and get support. At Chelsea he was 3rd, 4th choice and didn't find strenght to fight for his place. I don't see him coming back.

 

Apparently this was found carved on a door in Florence - brilliant that he's reached the hearts and minds of Fiorentina's fans already.

Glad he's at a club where he can really shine and is important. However well he might have played at Chelsea, he could never have become an indispensable member of the first team. The likes of Hazard, Matic and Costa will always overshadow him.

Assisted the first goal today against Rome 6 goals and 2 assists in 9 matches impressive so far

https://youtu.be/pXFaMcuAsXY