Gem's right as people can use words like 'depressed' or 'stressed' when they mean 'a bit sad' or 'slightly over-worked'. People who are genuinely ill but who want attention because of it are also very wearing.

I've been ill in the past and, as Droogers said earlier, it makes you anti social and you want to hide away and not want to tell others how you are.

Having been ill in the past (sometimes badly) I've little time for those who repeatedly 'attempt' suicide; either do it or don't but stop making such a song and dance about it. That's very harsh but honestly what I think.

Another honest one.

How did Dublin get that TV gig anyway?! Good luck to the lad but an interesting choice of presenter.

Will Dion Dublin be a success in his new role as a presenter on Homes Under The Hammer? 

 

I think he talked somewhere (I can't find anything to prove it) about branching out and becoming more than a footballer.

 

He's already invented a new musical instrument: http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/49469

That's obviously your opinion but unfortunately you aren't the arbiter of the mentally ill mind. It's not like there's a health and safety checklist for committing suicide.

And neither are you.

In what way? Disliking when people say they're 'depressed' when they've had a bad day or me being a very unsympathetic person in general?

The latter.

I get not liking how people trivialise certain illnesses by self diagnosing though. Doesn't help the wider discourse an mental illness.

No reason not to be a sympathetic person on the whole though. Not really an outlook I can identity with but to each their own.

And neither are you.

Absolutely which is why I try to avoid making judgements on people who are in a position I couldn't possibly understand.

Nothing wrong with saying 'I don't know'in this world.

Absolutely which is why I try to avoid making judgements on people who are in a position I couldn't possibly understand.

Nothing wrong with saying 'I don't know'in this world.

 

Really like this comment.

 

I'm with Gem, I struggle to be sympathetic unless its something tangible that I understand. I think too many people in recent times have had this illness which to me suggests some people are using it as an excuse.

I'm with Gem, I struggle to be sympathetic unless its something tangible that I understand. I think too many people in recent times have had this illness which to me suggests some people are using it as an excuse.

They are, but there's also a whole heap of folk who really do suffer and are hospitalised or imprisoned. You've hit the nail on the head with 'tangible', we can't see inside someone's mind.

Depression is a terrible illness, of that their is no doubt.

I do think that too many people claim to have the illness, just because they're having a tough time there and then.

The problem for doctors is there is no surefire way to diagnose it.

Depression is a terrible illness, of that their is no doubt.

I do think that too many people claim to have the illness, just because they're having a tough time there and then.

The problem for doctors is there is no surefire way to diagnose it.

Yep, they're looking into chemical tests and there is more focus on the root cause of depression. In some ways reactive depression is easier to identify and treat, but open to 'faking' and interpretation. Clinical depression is debilitating and can result in other behaviours, but again there is a focus on root cause. Steven Fry is eloquent regarding this.

I've been on anti-depressants for years, from my experience with it, I feel like the majority of people actually properly suffering are unlikely to admit it or talk about it much; it is embarrassing and makes you feel weak and even like a fraud, because you think to yourself, "why can't I just cheer the f**k up, there's nothing wrong with me" even if there is. 

I've been on anti-depressants for years, from my experience with it, I feel like the majority of people actually properly suffering are unlikely to admit it or talk about it much; it is embarrassing and makes you feel weak and even like a fraud, because you think to yourself, "why can't I just cheer the f**k up, there's nothing wrong with me" even if there is.

Exactly.

I've said in here before my dad had depression and fell apart, wouldn't leave the bedroom, didn't want anything to do with anyone. He was a very outgoing bloke, loads of mates and pretty much everyone liked him. Then his work overloaded him and almost destroyed him. The last thing he wanted was for people to know, or for us to tell anyone. Completely the opposite of Carlisle, and collymore. Now I know each persons hell can be different, but with the way both Carlisle and collymore seem to milk their "situation" and use it as a defense for past misdemeanours I can't help but wonder if it's a cynical exploitation.

Semi-related to this discussion, there was a very good new Louis Theroux documentary on BBC2 the other day where he goes into an American mental institution to meet patients who were sent there after committing violent crimes. One of them was a man who tried to commit suicide by attacking a cop with an iron rod with the hope that the cop would shoot him dead. I found it impossible not to sympathise with him, there is something deeply wrong with him and it is not his fault. 

 

This IS still the greatest moment on TV

 

Jeremy Clarkson is 20/1 to replace Zayn Malik in One Direction, How do I know these odds? because it's the international break.

Well in all fairness, as horrific as that scenario would be, bereaved loved ones aren't really expected to be rational or forgiving; they would likely want the punishment to be cruel and unusual, which is why families of murder/manslaughter (etc.) victims have no legal rights in these situations.

 

To some extent I feel like this debate is going around in a circle with both sides making valid points. Here is a very interesting academic journal about the effect depression can have on somebody's free will, I hope it will elucidate the point I am trying to make better than I can:

 

http://www.academia.edu/458305/Depression_and_the_Phenomenology_of_Free_Will

What a fantastic article. Thanks for posting Plokoon.

Jacob Steinberg names his Chelsea-heavy team of the season (so far):

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/mar/25/premier-league-team-season

 

De Gea

 

Clyne

Alderweireld

Terry

Azpilicueta

 

Matic

Fabregas

Sanchez

Hazard

 

Costa

Kane

 

Honourable mentions/subs:

Courtois, Bertrand, Koscielny, Cazorla, Coutinho, Eriksen, Aguero

 

Can't really argue with this, maybe Courtois over De Gea though.

fraser forster season ends

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32059636

fraser forster season ends

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32059636

Massive blow for them, I don't think they'd have got top four either way but I think with him in the team they'd have gotten closer

Can't believe that Skirtel didn't get an extra game for a frivolous appeal. I mean it's not like it was subtle.

As someone who has vast experience with people who suffer clinical depression, there's a world of difference between being depressed and suffering from depression.

Too many people belittle this serious condition by claiming it whenever something happens in life that upsets them

Imagine having an amazing week that went perfect for you and still feeling depressed or just empty, that's an indication you're actually suffering from depression. If you think you might be you should find someone to talk to...and please never be ashamed, there is nothing to be ashamed of. Nothing at all.

Apologies if already posted. I got 9 out of 15.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/quiz/2015/mar/24/football-quiz-name-the-career

Apologies if already posted. I got 9 out of 15.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/quiz/2015/mar/24/football-quiz-name-the-career

 

holy sh*t 14 out of 15, ive actually amazed myself