2 hours ago, Chelsbear said:

Doesn't help having Cahill and Ivan as the last line of defence before a striker bares down on you....

He's not been great but there isn't too many of the goals that I think he could have saved tbh. 

If I'm being super critical, I do think he could have done better on the Fer goal after Cahill's brainfart. He did still manage to get a touch onto it but he never really looked in control, hesitated instead of just trusting his instincts. 

7 minutes ago, Remodez said:

If I'm being super critical, I do think he could have done better on the Fer goal after Cahill's brainfart. He did still manage to get a touch onto it but he never really looked in control, hesitated instead of just trusting his instincts. 

Whats your thoughts on why he might be hesitating? Think it's always been there or a new problem? Not challenging, just like to see with other people's perspectives. 

Needs to buck his ideas up that's for sure. Like many, I was desperate that we didn't lose him when he was on loan at Athletico as he looked the absolute dogs and I saw him being our keeper for years. But he has been a major disappointment. Can't be arsed to find the link but apparently, so far this season, he has the worst record in the PL in terms of shots faced, saves made and goals concede. Worst in the PL. As I say, time to step up.

4 hours ago, MissouriBlue said:

Whats your thoughts on why he might be hesitating? Think it's always been there or a new problem? Not challenging, just like to see with other people's perspectives. 

It's mystery, hard to narrow down. He's always been one to command his box so his recent hesitation is quite out of character.

When Mignolet has a better save to shots on goal ratio then you know you have problems

Big Nose Out!!  

That pisses me off. It does seem that a lot of lesser opponents are scoring goals from their first chance/half chance. Stats back that up.

28 minutes ago, Rusty-Man said:

That pisses me off. It does seem that a lot of lesser opponents are scoring goals from their first chance/half chance. Stats back that up.

It also suggests he has concentration problems. Keepers like Tom Heaton are kept on their toes as their team is usually on the back foot.

3 hours ago, charierre said:

It also suggests he has concentration problems. Keepers like Tom Heaton are kept on their toes as their team is usually on the back foot.

The best goalkeepers don't lose concentration. Lack of concentration for a keeper is like a striker not making any runs. 

Gets a lot of stick on here, some warranted, some not, however he put in a good perfomance today, made a big save early in the game, and dominated his area better than he has in recemt weeks. 

Hopefully it will be a springboard for himself and the rest of the team, to get the season back on track. 

At this moment in time, who would you have in goal instead of Tibo for the next few years?

On 10/1/2016 at 17:09, Rusty-Man said:

The best goalkeepers don't lose concentration. Lack of concentration for a keeper is like a striker not making any runs. 

The ironic thing is, that's De Gea's biggest problem in general, as shown on Sunday vs Stoke and against Croatia in the Euro's, yet no one seems to pick up on that because it doesn't fit the notion that he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Look at the players at the top of the saves-per-shot ratio list: Heaton, Foster, Jakupovic, Schmeichel and Pickford.

These are basically the five keepers who play for the five most reactive sides in the division. Their defences are almost constantly going to be sat deep, and the impetus to control possession will almost always be on their opponents. This means that they will be facing a large quantity of low-percentage (i.e. shots which are not likely to go in, shots from distance, etc.) and so their shot-saving percentages are padded.

These stats reflect almost nothing on the shot-saving ability of the keeper, but almost entirely reflect the playing styles of their team.

On 9/30/2016 at 22:02, Remodez said:

It's mystery, hard to narrow down. He's always been one to command his box so his recent hesitation is quite out of character.

Perhaps he's apprehensive about putting himself into situations that caused Cech's head injury.

Edited October 3, 20169 yr by the special one

The ironic thing is, that's De Gea's biggest problem in general, as shown on Sunday vs Stoke and against Croatia in the Euro's, yet no one seems to pick up on that because it doesn't fit the notion that he's the best thing since sliced bread.

I don't care what De gea's biggest problem is. His performance proves he is the best in England and possibly the world. He is world class and quality, so don't compare him with Coutois.

31 minutes ago, wallosh said:

I don't care what De gea's biggest problem is. His performance proves he is the best in England and possibly the world. He is world class and quality, so don't compare him with Coutois.

Lol, so you say the best keepers don't lose concentration, I say De Gea has a problem with that and you still say he's world class, how to contradict yourself in two posts.

Got give him some credit for Saturday, made a couple of good saves before we even got into the game. The only chance Hull had was to score early and keep us out, and Courtois did his job.

Lol, so you say the best keepers don't lose concentration, I say De Gea has a problem with that and you still say he's world class, how to contradict yourself in two posts.

No keeper is perfect! I don't know where I talked about De gea losing concentration or not. All I know is even if De gea is used to losing concentration, I will still be more confident seeing him in goal for us than a focused Courtois who can easily let in 3 or 4 goals out of just 5 shots on goal.

Nah according to those stats De Gea is clearly in the bottom half of keepers in the league and Fraser Forster is sh*t. We should be signing someone top-level like Jakupovic. The stats prove he is one of the best keepers in the league, and even playing for a sh*theap like Hull.

From GB:

 

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Diego Alves has stopped 22 penalties in 45 that have been taken against him since he arrived in Spain.  He is fast in the way he jumps, agile, some of it is intuition, but some of it is the work of Jose Manuel Ochotorena, who is the goalkeeping coach of both the national side and Valencia - a legend .

He was the goalkeeping coach at Liverpool and Jerzy Dudek thanked him for the penalties he saved in the Champions League in Istanbul. It's a mixture of work, intuition, ability and agility - certainly a case study for goalkeepers how he does that

is that normal?

On 10/1/2016 at 08:25, romansoldier1981 said:

When Mignolet has a better save to shots on goal ratio then you know you have problems

 

WOW.  From hero to zero real quick. I even thought once that he can get into Neuer's level.

21 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Got give him some credit for Saturday, made a couple of good saves before we even got into the game. The only chance Hull had was to score early and keep us out, and Courtois did his job.

Now he has to do that consistently. Football fans are naturally impatient. They judge everyone based on just one play.

On 04/10/2016 at 09:08, wallosh said:

No keeper is perfect! I don't know where I talked about De gea losing concentration or not. All I know is even if De gea is used to losing concentration, I will still be more confident seeing him in goal for us than a focused Courtois who can easily let in 3 or 4 goals out of just 5 shots on goal.

Sorry that was someone else I apologise I should have checked instead of lazily assuming you were the same person.

I think the current stats (which admittedly don't look good) for Tibo are clouding people's judgement, I mean even last season when he made a few mistakes in a short period he made top saves to keep us in games.

City at home he made three world class saves before they scored, Stoke at home despite a screw up for the equalize kept us in it, United at home and PSG away he made two world class saves that don't get saved by many keepers and certainly not De Gea, and if it weren't for him and Hazard carrying the team in the second half of 14/15 we wouldn't have won the title.

I scrutinise De Gea a bit more than most because of how the media make out his arse smells of flowers and he has cocked up as many times as Courtois this season and last, if not more, when Tibo conceded from his near post vs Andy Carroll the BBC endorsed all these tweets bashing him, I bet they didn't do the same to De Gea when he conceded from a corner, handed Norwich victory at Old Trafford and i havent heard one person critise him for pissing two points up the wall on Sunday. I mean the media licked his arse forhis performance vs Italy in the Euro's, conviently forgetting it was his fault they had to play Italy in the first place.

I think he is a quality keeper don't get me wrong but the fact even Chelsea fans think Courtois isn't fit to lace the Spaniards boots is mind blowing.

Edited October 6, 20169 yr by Argo

Just seen a welcome clip, I think after our fourth goal yesterday, of courtois celebrating madly and running into the fans at his end to join in their celebrations...good to see a rare bit of chelsea emotion, like he was happy to be winning a game with us

https://twitter.com/carefreeash_/status/790540996681539585/video/1