1 hour ago, Scott said:

Mikel looks like Messi in training

 

 

or does messi look like mikel in training? hmm...

In that clip at the end it seemed like he was playing at centre back which is interesting.

According to the Watford manager, Kenedy has returned to Chelsea (which we already know due to injury) but doesn't look like he will be going back again, loan cut short.

Potentially useful as a back up to Alonso, but it's hardly encouraging how few minutes he got at Watford.

10 minutes ago, SW6 Chelsea said:

Potentially useful as a back up to Alonso, but it's hardly encouraging how few minutes he got at Watford.

Apparently didn't get on with the manager at Watford. We've seen first hand how useful he was when given opportunities last year. Fingers crossed he can get a few games. 

per espn. Kenedy made just one substitute appearance in five months under Mazzarri, who said that he had been unable to properly evaluate the Brazilian due to persistent injuries. He will continue his rehabilitation at Cobham, and Conte says he is yet to decide whether to send the youngster back out on loan.

"There was this situation because Kenedy wasn't playing with Watford so, for this reason, the best decision was for him to come back and stay with us, working with us, and evaluate him this month and then take the best decision for him," Conte said, before adding: "To stay with us, or go on loan another time."

hopefully he put in the work at the training ground and impresses conte

I'd love to see the lad get a run at Alonso's spot, I think he's better personally.

Not good enough, sell asap. We are just about to get rid of Oscar after years of him dividing the fanbase (half clearly seeing he's not good enough, the other half going "hes young give him time") i can't be arsed to go through it all again with this guy.

Edited December 14, 20169 yr by Argo

10 hours ago, Argo said:

Not good enough, sell asap. We are just about to get rid of Oscar after years of him dividing the fanbase (half clearly seeing he's not good enough, the other half going "hes young give him time") i can't be arsed to go through it all again with this guy.

Thats harsh to say the least, on Kenedy, not Oscar.

I feel, it depends largely on the expectations and the roles in the team.

Oscar was supposed to be our fulcrum, our lynchpin. We sold KDB and mata to make him succeed. He was supposed to be our no.1 no.10. A position where you need a lot of talent. You need to have the vision, the goal scoring ability, the movement and even then, you should be able "to do a job defensively". Unfortunately, Oscar's primary attribute was "can do a job defensively" rather than all the other attributes which we normally associate with a no.10.

On the other hand we have kenedy, who will be playing as a LWB. currently our 2 players in that position are moses and marcos alonso. If i had told you at the end of last season that next season we will have moses and alonso as the first team starters in chelsea, you would have said, i am an idiot. If i had said, that these 2 would be first team starters and we would be on a 10 game win streak, you would have asked for my address and asked an asylum to pick me up.

But thats what the wing-back position entails. You need players with massive energy, decent skills and those who can "do a job defensively" in that position. I am not having double standards in judging oscar and kenedy but its simply the need of the position they play. A no.10 can not be a passenger in the team, he infact needs to carry the team. A wing-back needs to do his job, and thats that. Kenedy can be a more than decent backup who was also cheap and someone for the long term. I personally feel, he can do a Moses.

He made a total of 20 appearances, 13 as a substitute and scored two goals. How is that enough to say that he is not good enough? Has he been given a proper chance if he is being compared to Oscar? 

He was hugely exciting last year, when he got the ball and started running at defenders he had me on the edge of my seat. Still questions of course as to whether he has the defensive strengths to be a wingback, but given that Moses seems to be bossing it, I'd certainly give him a shot. I know Jose put him there last year, but the new system should give him the room to actually play the role properly (if he's capable). Given that we're not exactly packed with options at the back, I think there's definitely room to give the lad a chance.

either argo actually has a mystical ability to see the future or he mistaken him for miazga because that post doesn't make sense at all

Edited December 15, 20169 yr by havelschayes

16 hours ago, Argo said:

Not good enough, sell asap. We are just about to get rid of Oscar after years of him dividing the fanbase (half clearly seeing he's not good enough, the other half going "hes young give him time") i can't be arsed to go through it all again with this guy.

Whether you rate Oscar or not, he played some good games and scored some important goals and was an important cog in the squad as a whole for 3 separate trophies over 4 years.  If you don't rate him, he's done well.  If you do rate him, he's probably not lived up to the hype.. but many don't, and we've still achieved success. 

6 hours ago, didierforever said:

Thats harsh to say the least, on Kenedy, not Oscar.

I feel, it depends largely on the expectations and the roles in the team.

Oscar was supposed to be our fulcrum, our lynchpin. We sold KDB and mata to make him succeed. He was supposed to be our no.1 no.10. A position where you need a lot of talent. You need to have the vision, the goal scoring ability, the movement and even then, you should be able "to do a job defensively". Unfortunately, Oscar's primary attribute was "can do a job defensively" rather than all the other attributes which we normally associate with a no.10.

On the other hand we have kenedy, who will be playing as a LWB. currently our 2 players in that position are moses and marcos alonso. If i had told you at the end of last season that next season we will have moses and alonso as the first team starters in chelsea, you would have said, i am an idiot. If i had said, that these 2 would be first team starters and we would be on a 10 game win streak, you would have asked for my address and asked an asylum to pick me up.

But thats what the wing-back position entails. You need players with massive energy, decent skills and those who can "do a job defensively" in that position. I am not having double standards in judging oscar and kenedy but its simply the need of the position they play. A no.10 can not be a passenger in the team, he infact needs to carry the team. A wing-back needs to do his job, and thats that. Kenedy can be a more than decent backup who was also cheap and someone for the long term. I personally feel, he can do a Moses.

Is Kenedy actually made for wing back? the more i think about it the more i think it's just accepted as a middle ground because of the left wing vs left back debate that's gone on this past year. and a bit.

I have always thought he had a chance at left back if he put his defensive output to average level as going forward that position more suits his hustle on the pitch, the key component of wingback is to be a possession player, Kenedy is not a possession player , he is more about explosive impact moments,moving the ball around calm and accurately is not is thing, it is for Alonso and that is why he has worked, although i think he is at best a squad player in the long run. Also with Moses while i'm very vocal about his brain freezes in the final 3rd he has a lot of patience in his all round play at wingback.

In short i feel he has minimal chance of making it here as a left back, next to no at a wingback and none as a winger, i'd love to be proved wrong but i feel focusing too much on the likes of him instead of Musonda could lead to another Oscar/KDB situation.

50 minutes ago, Van Butsen said:

Whether you rate Oscar or not, he played some good games and scored some important goals and was an important cog in the squad as a whole for 3 separate trophies over 4 years.  If you don't rate him, he's done well.  If you do rate him, he's probably not lived up to the hype.. but many don't, and we've still achieved success. 

He had some good games (usually against Arsenal) but in general they were very, very few and far between, and as didierforever alluded too KDB was sacrificed to accommodate him so he had some high standards to live upto and he simply failed as a whole. I really hope we get away from the highly frustrating band of players like Oscar, Ramires, Kalou, Mikel etc who did various good stuff for us, but ultimately frustrated us ten times for every one time they amazed us, which just isn't good enough.

Edited December 15, 20169 yr by Argo

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

He had some good games (usually against Arsenal) but in general they were very, very few and far between, and as didierforever alluded too KDB was sacrificed to accommodate him so he had some high standards to live upto and he simply failed as a whole. I really hope we get away from the highly frustrating band of players like Oscar, Ramires, Kalou, Mikel etc who did various good stuff for us, but ultimately frustrated us ten times for every one time they amazed us, which just isn't good enough.

You're searching for some sort of team from utopia.. where every player is the best in their position in that league.  It's got to be about the squad as a whole.  Keeping Oscar hasn't prevented us from winning additional trophies.  KDB would not have been the difference.

KDB would have added significantly to our squad, more than Oscar has. He's a far superior footballer

2 minutes ago, Van Butsen said:

You're searching for some sort of team from utopia.. where every player is the best in their position in that league.  It's got to be about the squad as a whole.  Keeping Oscar hasn't prevented us from winning additional trophies.  KDB would not have been the difference.

I am absolutely not expecting us to have the best player in the league in every position, saying we could have done better than the likes of Ramires and Oscar down the years is by no means suggesting that in anyway in shape or form. We should be looking for squad players/system fitters, solid players who aren't exactly world class but don't have you wanting to pull youre hair our nine matches out of ten, which the names i mentioned did.

On 12/15/2016 at 12:36, Chelsbear said:

KDB would have added significantly to our squad, more than Oscar has. He's a far superior footballer

My point was that it wouldn't have been the difference in trophy numbers.  He's definitely better than Oscar

So we sold Mata and kdb because of Oscar now? Wow.

On 15.12.2016 at 09:21, TrueBlueBIH said:

He made a total of 20 appearances, 13 as a substitute and scored two goals. How is that enough to say that he is not good enough? Has he been given a proper chance if he is being compared to Oscar? 

Well... he got more of a chance arguably than Cuadrado or Salah.

Listed on the official site with a squad number.

Oddly that number happens to be 12.

Has Mr Jon Obi lost his number? 

5 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Listed on the official site with a squad number.

Oddly that number happens to be 12.

Has Mr Jon Obi lost his number? 

Seems like some mix up. Mikel is also there on the list as no.12

 think it's just a typo if not well that's a massive disrespect and i demand emenalo to be sacked NOW

Kenedy was 16 before he left, that number is still free so I'd say someone on the site f**ked up.

I'd happily keep Kenedy anyway as a back up LWB for the rest of the season but if he can get a loan and play 20 games until the end of the season so be it.

Think he can be devestating on the left as a wing back.

He might not be as good tactically as Alonso yet, but what I really like is that he will offer something different.

He is aggresive at dribbling like Moses and in games that we dominate I think it is important to have the capability to be more direct from both sides and stretch teams by running down the lines dribbling past players.

Second thing I really like is his attitude in games. He is not afraid to get involved and try something and his decision making is not bad at all. A good example of that is the very first minutes on his first appereance with Chelsea ever after only 4 minutes! 

We play Barcelona and he goes in our box and beats Suarez 1vs1 and saves us in a way that only Ashley Cole could produce in the past with his great anticipation and pace.