19 hours ago, Argo said:

But on the flip side there was a couple of instances yesterday Michy lost the ball after recieving it from Pulisic where had that been Oli he would have got a 1-2 and most likely a chance to score.

Anyway if we are serious about progressing as a team Giroud will be gone and Michy will be 3rd choice at most by the next time we get a transfer window.

We don’t need a 3rd striker, isn’t that why Giroud is getting no mins? Just get rid if he isn’t good enough as 2nd choice.

Yeah I was just referring to the replacement for Tammy in that particular game. Giroud for me would have allowed us to keep the ball better and brought Mount & Pulisic into the game more. 

I am of the parish that your striker needs to score many goals and we’re not blessed like France so in the long term Giroud isn’t the answer.

Lamps remembers the days of Didier & Anelka & even JFH & Eidur so hopefully we spend the big $$$ and bring a good one in. 

1 hour ago, rtwelch said:

Yeah I was just referring to the replacement for Tammy in that particular game. Giroud for me would have allowed us to keep the ball better and brought Mount & Pulisic into the game more. 

I am of the parish that your striker needs to score many goals and we’re not blessed like France so in the long term Giroud isn’t the answer.

Lamps remembers the days of Didier & Anelka & even JFH & Eidur so hopefully we spend the big $$$ and bring a good one in. 

I'm happy with michy as second striker. Wouldn't say no to an upgrade but would rather we spend selectively and big elsewhere.

Name a second striker in the PL that is as strong as michy...Jesus? Lacazette? 

16 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Wouldn't mind Werner, has a few years under his belt. 

Haaland i'd stay away from, just screams expensive waste in my eyes. I.e Belotti, Piatek, Jovic etc.

I think its important to remember haaland is only 18, the 3 you mentioned all took a 3 or 4 seasons of mens football, before putting up a fantastic season, maybe they will never replicate it. Haaland has scored for fun all through youth level, and he's just continued that into his professional career. Its still early days, but he is strong, fast, great technically, and he can finish, so i think he has enough in his locker to back him to go very far. Obviously it is all price depending, because of his sge, and the league he is coming from. 

Werner would 100% be my first choice though, he is having a great season, it really looks like has matured, he is also quite versatile, so he could get games out wide, or even with tammy, and his buy out clause is about £30m, so its as risk free as it comes in this day and age. 

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

I'm happy with michy as second striker. Wouldn't say no to an upgrade but would rather we spend selectively and big elsewhere.

Name a second striker in the PL that is as strong as michy...Jesus? Lacazette? 

If there was a guarantee Tammy would always be fit and on form I'd agree but problem is one injury to Tammy or Tammy himself taking a Costa 15/16 or Drogba under Scolari plummet we will all of a sudden be relying on Michy heavily to deliver the goods and I just don't think he has it in him, he'd score but his general play will always cost us as we will struggle to build up consistent attacks.

We need a striker who has quality to supplement/compete with Tammy, not just for strength in depth but an option to go two up front, a move I personally believe we'd have done a few times by now had we had the quality behind Tammy to do so.

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

I'm happy with michy as second striker. Wouldn't say no to an upgrade but would rather we spend selectively and big elsewhere.

Name a second striker in the PL that is as strong as michy...Jesus? Lacazette? 

Id say he is the weakest 2nd choice option out of the traditional big 6. 

If aguero is out, there is jesus.

If firmino is out, mane or salah can play centrally. 

if martial is out, there is rashford.

if kane is out, there is son.

Arsenal have lacazette and aubameyang.

Other teams have better alternative options should there number 1 striker be out injured, even if means a little chopping and changing. 

Batshuayi is a nice guy, and he knows where the goal is, but for me he is the weakest deputy weve had in a long time. Id take remy or ba over him all day. 

Be nice if Batshayui learned the offside rule at some point this season.

21 minutes ago, big blue said:

I think its important to remember haaland is only 18, the 3 you mentioned all took a 3 or 4 seasons of mens football, before putting up a fantastic season, maybe they will never replicate it. Haaland has scored for fun all through youth level, and he's just continued that into his professional career. Its still early days, but he is strong, fast, great technically, and he can finish, so i think he has enough in his locker to back him to go very far. Obviously it is all price depending, because of his sge, and the league he is coming from. 

Werner would 100% be my first choice though, he is having a great season, it really looks like has matured, he is also quite versatile, so he could get games out wide, or even with tammy, and his buy out clause is about £30m, so its as risk free as it comes in this day and age. 

The fact he's so young is what worries me, don't want a Rashford on our hands who was good when he first came through and was new but never really kicks on from there.

12 minutes ago, big blue said:

Id say he is the weakest 2nd choice option out of the traditional big 6. 

If aguero is out, there is jesus.

If firmino is out, mane or salah can play centrally. 

if martial is out, there is rashford.

if kane is out, there is son.

Arsenal have lacazette and aubameyang.

Other teams have better alternative options should there number 1 striker be out injured, even if means a little chopping and changing. 

Batshuayi is a nice guy, and he knows where the goal is, but for me he is the weakest deputy weve had in a long time. Id take remy or ba over him all day. 

Could argue we could stick CHO up top like he played in the youth ranks occasionally if we're including wingers.

Realistically Liverpool have Origi (Behind Bats for Belgium.)

Rashford averages about 6 league goals a season, Bats managed more than that in 1/3 of a season in Germany.

Bats is on par with Jesus, nothing more than penalty box players.

Son and Laca are the only comparable ones.

4 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Be nice if Batshayui learned the offside rule at some point this season.

Trap and lay the ball off as well would help, absolute shocker of a  player.  If Tammys out tomorrow has to be Giroud to start, he will link play and bring others into game, Bats will lose ball everytime it's played up to him.

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I'm happy with michy as second striker. Wouldn't say no to an upgrade but would rather we spend selectively and big elsewhere.

Name a second striker in the PL that is as strong as michy...Jesus? Lacazette? 

Jesus, Rashford, Origi, Lacaz, Son are all better 

39 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Be nice if Batshayui learned the offside rule at some point this season.

He seems to have learnt the Morata interpretation. 

28 minutes ago, Jangz said:

Jesus, Rashford, Origi, Lacaz, Son are all better 

Origi better but Bats starts over him for Belgium?

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The fact he's so young is what worries me, don't want a Rashford on our hands who was good when he first came through and was new but never really kicks on from there.

Could argue we could stick CHO up top like he played in the youth ranks occasionally if we're including wingers.

Realistically Liverpool have Origi (Behind Bats for Belgium.)

Rashford averages about 6 league goals a season, Bats managed more than that in 1/3 of a season in Germany.

Bats is on par with Jesus, nothing more than penalty box players.

Son and Laca are the only comparable ones.

Exactly. Could argue that we should spunk the money on a world class right winger who can score goals rather than an out and out striker. 

Son, mane, martial, salah aren't strikers. Jesus and lacazette are the only ones comparable to michy and I'd say they are on the same level as him.

Edited November 29, 20196 yr by bisright1

44 minutes ago, Jangz said:

Jesus, Rashford, Origi, Lacaz, Son are all better 

Jesus and lacazette same level. 

Rashford is man United's first choice striker and that's not even his best position. 

Son isn't a striker

Origi isn't better than bats. 

5 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Exactly. Could argue that we should spunk the money on a world class right winger who can score goals rather than an out and out striker. 

Son, mane, martial, salah aren't strikers. Jesus and lacazette are the only ones comparable to michy and I'd say they are on the same level as him.

Insigne, Richarlison, Guedes, Werner, Depay etc.

1 hour ago, big blue said:

Werner would 100% be my first choice though, he is having a great season, it really looks like has matured, he is also quite versatile, so he could get games out wide, or even with tammy, and his buy out clause is about £30m, so its as risk free as it comes in this day and age. 

Werner at £30m is worth the gamble but I'd still have Gerard Moreno over him personally. We're competing in a market where most of the top talent are already plying their trade at "top clubs" - the "Premier League factor" also reduces the talent pool available to us so I think we're better off going with age and experience. Between Moreno, Cook, Chilwell, Grealish I reckon we'd tear up the league next season. 😎

Edited November 29, 20196 yr by the special one

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The fact he's so young is what worries me, don't want a Rashford on our hands who was good when he first came through and was new but never really kicks on from there.

Could argue we could stick CHO up top like he played in the youth ranks occasionally if we're including wingers.

Realistically Liverpool have Origi (Behind Bats for Belgium.)

Rashford averages about 6 league goals a season, Bats managed more than that in 1/3 of a season in Germany.

Bats is on par with Jesus, nothing more than penalty box players.

Son and Laca are the only comparable ones.

Personally i would take jesus and rashford over batshuayi all day, every day. Pizarro scored a boatload in germany. Doesnt necessarily correlate, bats had an awful record in spain. 

Im doubting his ability to score goals though, just his ability as an all rounf footballer.

You cant hypothetically compare using CHO as a striker, to using salah amd mane, when he has never played there for us, and rarely did in the youth teams, both mane and salah have played down the middle in the premer league, and occasionally for their countries. 

22 minutes ago, the special one said:

Werner at £30m is worth the gamble but I'd still have Gerard Moreno over him personally. We're competing in a market where most of the top talent are already plying their trade at "top clubs" - the "Premier League factor" also reduces the talent pool available to us so I think we're better off going with age and experience. Between Moreno, Cook, Chilwell, Grealish I reckon we'd tear up the league next season. 😎

Rather keep batshuayi, and barkley.

Cook, Chilwell, Grealish - World Cup winners

Heard it here first

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Origi better but Bats starts over him for Belgium?

For the national team Bats does the job of a poacher coming on in the last 5/10 mins..the same role he has excelled in at chelsea. I dont think national team is a good measure of how good/bad a player is ..

3 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Exactly. Could argue that we should spunk the money on a world class right winger who can score goals rather than an out and out striker. 

Son, mane, martial, salah aren't strikers. Jesus and lacazette are the only ones comparable to michy and I'd say they are on the same level as him.

Salah is not a winger but more like a forward.. close to a striker...martial has been played and promoted as the striker for Utd for the season.. as for Jesus not being better than michy that a joke.. his link up play touch .. intelligence ...vision everything is much better than Bats..

Think Lacazzette is better than you guys rate him. But I thought this thread was about Tammy?  Injury was bad, then not so bad and then maybe bad again. It was a definite penalty that caused  the injury. In rugby union aa yellow card offense, pulling down a guy in the air. Go on report for it in rugby league. Don’t understand why var didn’t call it bthey would in Australia. 

20 hours ago, big blue said:

Personally i would take jesus and rashford over batshuayi all day, every day. Pizarro scored a boatload in germany. Doesnt necessarily correlate, bats had an awful record in spain. 

Im doubting his ability to score goals though, just his ability as an all rounf footballer.

You cant hypothetically compare using CHO as a striker, to using salah amd mane, when he has never played there for us, and rarely did in the youth teams, both mane and salah have played down the middle in the premer league, and occasionally for their countries. 

Salah and Mane were never used as strikers until Klopp gave it a go. CHO often played up top in a two before for the youth, much like Salah and Mane do when Firmino is out. 

Bats is an enigma for me, he looks the part, the expectations are high and then nothing. Sometimes you wouldn’t know he’d come on.

@RIP Mourinho Can't find which thread we talked about this but I take back what I said, you're 100% right, always play Tammy over Giroud no matter the circumstances. 

Well after today Tammy knows as soon as he is fit he is straight back into the starting 11.

If it wasn't already clear, after today it is crystal just how badly we need to strengthen our strike force. I still like Bats as a squad / sub option but we certainly need to offload Giroud and get in a quality forward - Not an old has-been looking for one last pay-day, but a striker who can put pressure or we rotate with Tammy who gives us confidence when we go into a game. If we can spunk £70m on a not world class keeper we can spend double that on a quality striker.