4 minutes ago, coco said:

minutes per goal

Juve 173

RM 130

 

So overall it's over one goal every two games, which is pretty good I think

12 minutes ago, RMCM said:

So overall it's over one goal every two games, which is pretty good I think

It's good, but it's against tired defenders.

I prefer to question why he hasn't been a first choice striker wherever he has gone. If we are going to spend so much money, then why spend it on someone who hasn't been able to get regular minutes at Juventus or Real Madrid ?

most madrid fans want morata to start over benzema and its been like that for a month or two , Benzema is to Zidane what ivanovic was to mourinho last year and at juve i think they knew that madrid had cheap buy back clause so they didnt want to showcase too much and when you have Mandzukic and dybala its aslo hard to get 1st team action alot. 

 

i think he needs to muscle up a bit but thats the only complain i have , hes does everything well as a striker 

I do think he is kinda overated. I dont think he is worth more then 30mln. He wasn`t a first choice striker in the Juve and in the Real. I doubt Zidane will keep him at the bench if he is so, so good.

You can make/find excuses for everything, but thats the reality.

So far Benzema is playing, because he has proven to be the better man. He is better at technique and dribble, and also he is a great team player. Can assist a lot and do great 1-2 combination with his teammates. In other words he is overall better team player and that is what Real need with a guys like Ronaldo and Bale next to the striker.

You can make all the excuses for him, but so far in his career he did not score more then 8 league goals, which tell me enough about how overpriced this guy is.

And to be it`s a lot easier to score in Spain then England ... Not to mention how slow Serie A is. The pace there is so slow and a lot lower then English. So i`m not even sure if he can match his level at Juventus in England, and what about perform a lot higher then this.

If we can get him for arround 30-35mln. i will be okay with this transfer, but not for a higher price. After all he is the second choice and he will want a way out in the summer. We should be the one to make the demands, not them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think we want to go into next season with Morata replacing Costa.

He hasn't proved anything to suggest he's in Diegos class yet.

I do think in the summer we will go for Andrea Belotti. If he continue like that i think in the summer we will go for him. That is in the case Costa for real have desire to leave.

 

To be honest, he seems like a talented guy and at 24 quite he is young, so I would give Morata a go. 

They should also add two midfielders. I wouldn't mind if the rumours about Verratti and Bakayoko turned out to have some truth in them.

I, along with a lot of people on this board didn't think much of the signing of Alonso, now granted it's taken a bit for him to settle in but now he's turned out to be a bloody good player for us, much better defensively than when he first arrived as well. 

 

I'll trust Contes judgement on this. I'm a fan of Morata anyway to be fair, easy to throw up his apps:goals ratio when he doesn't start regularly, which is bizarre.

 

He'd reach 20 goals a season if he was playing week in, week out IMO.

 

We can all dream about Griezmann's, Aubameyang's, Lewandowski's, Suarez's but they're all pipe dreams. I'd genuinely be amazed if we got any of them.

 

I think we missed a trick with Gabriel Jesus, but apparently he wanted to play under Pep so alas he went to Citeh.

Would still rather Lukaku

20 minutes ago, bluelion111 said:

Would still rather Lukaku

30 appearances against top six sides with a return of 3 goals, that's a concern IMO. Also not sure how he'd cope playing in a team that has the opposition sitting in against them.

 

Although if he plays like he played today more regularly then yeah I agree, he could be a top top striker. Still only 23 as well which I keep forgetting!

Edited February 4, 20179 yr by EdinburghBlue

I do think in the summer we will go for Andrea Belotti. If he continue like that i think in the summer we will go for him. That is in the case Costa for real have desire to leave.
 

I prefer Icardi

14 hours ago, bluelion111 said:

Would still rather Lukaku

I think we tried this one befire, didn't we? He was ousted because he wasn't able to keep up with Hazard, Willian and others. 

Lukaku is alright for a team that needs a target man who just stands there and taps them in, but we are not such a team. He'll just get benched and then he'll sulk it out like the last time. The last thing I want is a giant cry baby.

Dear Chelsea, please never even consider signing him again :)

Edited February 5, 20179 yr by PythonLu

20 hours ago, PythonLu said:

I think we tried this one befire, didn't we? He was ousted because he wasn't able to keep up with Hazard, Willian and others. 

Lukaku is alright for a team that needs a target man who just stands there and taps them in, but we are not such a team. He'll just get benched and then he'll sulk it out like the last time. The last thing I want is a giant cry baby.

Dear Chelsea, please never even consider signing him again :)

Yeah I largely agree with this.

He has a great record outside of Chelsea and good on him for it.  But they are for teams with different skillsets to ours, different way of playing.  
 

My biggest issue with Lukaku is that he can be very lazy during games, he won't help your team box in defenders like Pedro and Costa can do. I've seen Costa do this alot, he gives a signal to Pedro and Hazard to block off passing options, while he chases the ball. 

11 hours ago, comtrend said:

My biggest issue with Lukaku is that he can be very lazy during games, he won't help your team box in defenders like Pedro and Costa can do. I've seen Costa do this alot, he gives a signal to Pedro and Hazard to block off passing options, while he chases the ball. 

Plus he is terribly inconsistent, his dry run at the end of last season.

 

Lukaku for his size and pace doesn't run the channels well nor in my opinion does he take care of the ball when he has it same issue with Batshuayi

On 31/1/2017 at 21:48, brakeit said:

I do think he is kinda overated. I dont think he is worth more then 30mln. He wasn`t a first choice striker in the Juve and in the Real. I doubt Zidane will keep him at the bench if he is so, so good.

You can make/find excuses for everything, but thats the reality.

So far Benzema is playing, because he has proven to be the better man. He is better at technique and dribble, and also he is a great team player. Can assist a lot and do great 1-2 combination with his teammates. In other words he is overall better team player and that is what Real need with a guys like Ronaldo and Bale next to the striker.

You can make all the excuses for him, but so far in his career he did not score more then 8 league goals, which tell me enough about how overpriced this guy is.

And to be it`s a lot easier to score in Spain then England ... Not to mention how slow Serie A is. The pace there is so slow and a lot lower then English. So i`m not even sure if he can match his level at Juventus in England, and what about perform a lot higher then this.

If we can get him for arround 30-35mln. i will be okay with this transfer, but not for a higher price. After all he is the second choice and he will want a way out in the summer. We should be the one to make the demands, not them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Agreed except for the last part.. why spend another 30mils if we can just use batshuayi? Morate could very well be flop here, I'd rather not take the risk..

Not sure where this "Benzema is so much better than Morata and that is why he plays instead of Morata" comes from. The numbers this season don't seem to back up that opinion. I've taken them from http://www.goal.com/es/news/27/laliga-santander/2017/01/30/32113202/álvaro-morata-mejor-rendimiento-que-karim-benzema-en-el-real

But if you follow a bit La Liga (and I have family who are supporters of Real Madrid), you'll see how frustrating Benzema is. He can score when you don't expect it, but he misses so, so many chances... I am not arguing that Morata is better than Benzema, but they are probably at the same level. I think Benzema would get a lot of stick around here for his inconsistency.

 Agreed except for the last part.. why spend another 30mils if we can just use batshuayi? Morate could very well be flop here, I'd rather not take the risk..

You know Bats is usually our last choice when Costa or Hazard can't strike!

This is Benzema worst season so far. And Morata still could not get regular first team action, thats speak a lot. Never in his life he score more then 8 league goals .... That`s all we need to know.

And 24 years in modern football are not so little. I mean top prospect start playing big football at age ot 17-20, and in 21-22 they already can be in big club. Like Hazard, Lewandowski and so many more. Benzema playis in Real Madrid from 21-22 years old ....

Morata just can`t win the battle to be the first choice.

So all this crap statistis mean nothing. Minutes per goal, and blq, blq, blq, sorry but the thing is so far he can`t score more then 8 league goals and he f***** have 2 years in Italy, where he should score like crazy. If he wasn`t their top striker choice, same goes for Real, he isn`t good enough yet.

Immobile have scored 22 league goals in Italy, then we see what happened with him ...

If i had to choice, Morata would be 1 of my last choices.

 

 

 

Reading this thread I mostly feel we need to keep hold of Costa. Morata wasn't the leathal striker for Juve and isn't one for Real. Costa pretty much is the definition of that expression. At least this term.

38 minutes ago, brakeit said:

blah blah blah in Italy, where he should score like crazy

And yet another made up story, this thing that in Italy strikers should score a lot more because is sooooo much worse than the English Premier. Some more statistics for you, mate:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/european-big-four-leagues-goals-3513388

On average, from 2011 through to 2014 the average number of goals per game in England is 2.79 and in Italy is 2.60 (in Spain is 2.77). In 2015/16 the goal per game in the Premiership is 2.70 in Italy 2.58, and in 2016/17 so far is 2.84 in the Premier and 2.76 in serie A (these statistics from http://www.worldfootball.net/stats).

That you don't rate Morata and it would be your last choice, fair enough. i don't rate Benzema and if it was my choice I wouldn't want him at Chelsea. But those are opinions, and I already said that I don't rate Morata that much either. But statistics and numbers are facts, and you are talking about opinions.

 

6 minutes ago, evissy said:

Reading this thread I mostly feel we need to keep hold of Costa. Morata wasn't the leathal striker for Juve and isn't one for Real. Costa pretty much is the definition of that expression. At least this term.

This is definitely what we should aim at, keeping Costa but keep him if he is happy and willing to work as much as he is this season. Otherwise I don't see many strikers out there that will play at the same level and contribute to the team as much as Costa.

RMH, mate i would not take Benzema either. I never speak of him. But Morata could not get the first place with worst Benzema in years. And this is the worst Benzema we see for a while.

And for Italy i dont talk only about statistics. Let`s face it, Serie A it`s a lot less competive then PL, also it`s a lot slower and of course the quality it`s less, especially low-mid table team.

There is 1 good team and that is Juventus, the rest is just filling. We will always remember old times with grands like Milan, Inter and Juventus, when they was really on top of it, but now it`s simply not.

In Italy they play in a lot slower pace, it`s not so physical, the program it`s a lot easier then in PL, there isn`t so many matches at one time. And it`s not like in England everyone to jump on you trying to take points away.

Dzeko for example turn 30, he looks finish in his last season in Egland, and in just 32 games, he scores 24 goals ... And it`s not only him look at Salah, who was not even average at England, in Italy he looks like a top player. Same goes for Pogba, Immobile and so on.

We also see what happen with Andriy Shevchenko. Top player in Italy, can`t happen in England. Of course in this one there was other factors too.

But Alonso for example was looking quite good in speed in Italy, in England he is slow, even average player is faster then him. And i like Alonso and he improve a lot since he came, but the pace he was use to, has so far from the English one ...

That`s my point. Let`s forget the statistis, so far i was never convinced by Morata in his quality. He is too inconsisten. And to be world class player you need to be consisten every game.