Lol. It is not like he is the reigning PL champion.

I feel like im living in an alternate reality reading some of these comments on here. Did I imagine Mourinho winning 3 league titles with this club? Did I imagine him winning a treble with Inter?

I was under the impression that Mourinho had achieved incredible things in his career, and at this club in particular. But reading comments by Kablamo and Uxanga, among others, makes me wonder if i dreamt the whole thing?

He deserves far more respect from some fans on here than he gets. Yes he had a bad half a season, and yes he was at least partially responsible. But our form is still not exceptional under a new manager for the last 3 months. Yes we're performing better, but we're still dropping a lot of points through draws, if not defeats. Clearly the players shoulder a chunk of the blame, especially hazard.

But if people want to turn a blind eye to the fact that most of the players underperformed, and want to hurl abuse and criticism towards our ex-manager (triple premier league winning ex-manager) then so be it. But he deserves better

 

Mourinho is simply the scapegoat and an easy way to explain this season's disaster but if we delve a little further then blind Freddy can see that this was a collective failing by the whole club and that Mourinho was only a part of the problem.

The board, players and coaching staff all need to take responsibility and be held to account for this. Good luck to the next manager who will be working in a toxic environment like this where you just know that the board and players will go against you when things begin to go pear-shaped or we're constantly struggling.

This season has taught me a lot about how we function and conduct ourselves as a club and I don't like what I see.

We are all just guessing. No one knows what went on behind the scenes.

Mourinho is simply the scapegoat and an easy way to explain this season's disaster but if we delve a little further then blind Freddy can see that this was a collective failing by the whole club and that Mourinho was only a part of the problem.

The board, players and coaching staff all need to take responsibility and be held to account for this. Good luck to the next manager who will be working in a toxic environment like this where you just know that the board and players will go against you when things begin to go pear-shaped or we're constantly struggling.

This season has taught me a lot about how we function and conduct ourselves as a club and I don't like what I see.

 

I agree. Mourinho made many f**k up's this season, but so did many others. People will say we have improved since Mourinho was sacked, but it's not that much of an improvement. We are a mid table side, we can't keep a clean sheet to save our lives and now we are out of the Champions League. The only thing Hiddink has that Mourinho didn't have was Fabregas and Costa playing better, everything else is the same. 

 

Things need to change at this club, we keep landing ourselves in a mess and i'm tired of it. All of the success we have had in the last decade has masked the fact that we are terribly run club, it's finally caught up with us this season though.

I agree. Mourinho made many f**k up's this season, but so did many others. People will say we have improved since Mourinho was sacked, but it's not that much of an improvement. We are a mid table side, we can't keep a clean sheet to save our lives and now we are out of the Champions League. The only thing Hiddink has that Mourinho didn't have was Fabregas and Costa playing better, everything else is the same. 

 

Things need to change at this club, we keep landing ourselves in a mess and i'm tired of it. All of the success we have had in the last decade has masked the fact that we are terribly run club, it's finally caught up with us this season though.

 

Jose did make mistakes. He pushed players to their limits and when he did it in 2004, it forged a golden generation because we had people like Lamps, JT and Drogba who were leaders, men, whatever you want to call it. They coped with the pressure.

 

There are players in this squad who clearly couldn't deal with it. They don't have the same mettle, they don't have the bottle and they crumbled.

 

Jose is a high pressure coach and it worked for a couple of seasons but they burnt out. It's easier to sack him then replace the players.

 

Funny thing is, we'll probably need to replace the players anyway because Conte is just as high intensity as him. 

 

Don't forget the last time we had these strong personalities, they bullied poor little AVB and I don't think Roman has ever forgotten that, hence the lack of these types of people being in the squad anymore.

I feel like im living in an alternate reality reading some of these comments on here. Did I imagine Mourinho winning 3 league titles with this club? Did I imagine him winning a treble with Inter?

I was under the impression that Mourinho had achieved incredible things in his career, and at this club in particular. But reading comments by Kablamo and Uxanga, among others, makes me wonder if i dreamt the whole thing?

He deserves far more respect from some fans on here than he gets. Yes he had a bad half a season, and yes he was at least partially responsible. But our form is still not exceptional under a new manager for the last 3 months. Yes we're performing better, but we're still dropping a lot of points through draws, if not defeats. Clearly the players shoulder a chunk of the blame, especially hazard.

But if people want to turn a blind eye to the fact that most of the players underperformed, and want to hurl abuse and criticism towards our ex-manager (triple premier league winning ex-manager) then so be it. But he deserves better

Great post, it really feels like when Mourinho was manager of Chelsea and winning all these trophies some fans couldn't even celebrate.

Like you said he won the Champions League with Inter and with Porto. Won god knows how many more trophies. The man is one of the best managers ever and will only add to his Trophy Cabinet.

I agree. Mourinho made many f**k up's this season, but so did many others. People will say we have improved since Mourinho was sacked, but it's not that much of an improvement. We are a mid table side, we can't keep a clean sheet to save our lives and now we are out of the Champions League. The only thing Hiddink has that Mourinho didn't have was Fabregas and Costa playing better, everything else is the same. 

 

Not much of an improvement??

 

The club went from relegation form to top 4 form. When you lose as many games in the first half of the season midtable is a good achievement.  

Not much of an improvement??

 

The club went from relegation form to top 4 form. When you lose as many games in the first half of the season midtable is a good achievement.

Or relegation home form

It is incredible that Jose could potentially be in no mans land job wise.

Still think he'll be at United next season but if he's not, I can't see where he'll end up.

 

If Blanc does not win the Champions League or go dep in it I will not be surprised if PSG would think of Jose. Winning their domestic league is cute but given the money invested by PSG, the squad they have and how their league hardly has any credible opponents they can pretty much be without a  manager and still win the league. 

People need to remember and remember it clear.

JOSE left us in an irrecoverable position fighting relegation with NO signs of improvement!! Any manager that came in had too much of an ask to get us into the top 4.

Yes he's our greatest manager but he also left us in a massive massive pile of @$^:/.

All he did was come into a side missing 1-2 players, sold 2-3 bright and potentially world class young players, signed 2 Spanish stars (or do we give Emanalo credit for this?), won the title whilst at the same time sucking all the energy out of this club.

He came into the club talking about a 10 year plan but his actions were that of a man who wanted to win the league by any means to fuel his own ego. He did this and killed the clubs season at the same time

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All he did was come into a side missing 1-2 players, sold 2-3 bright and potentially world class young players, signed 2 Spanish stars (or do we give Emanalo credit for this?), won the title whilst at the same time sucking all the energy out of this club.

He came into the club talking about a 10 year plan but his actions were that of a man who wanted to win the league by any means to fuel his own ego. He did this and killed the clubs season at the same time

 

All he did was come into a side that hadn't challenged for the title in years, immediately challenged for it, signed the key components we needed, then won the title. Then the club stagnates in the market, and this 'sucking all the energy' is merely 'we lost a lot and got sad'.

 

His actions were what every manager we gets actions is. Win something now or get fired. Or win something and get fired anyway. Pushed ourselves for a title win and the club thought 'guess that means this side can do it, no need for reinforcements'.

 

Its so easy to twist stuff negatively, it's actually impressive how people make a title win look like it killed this club.

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All he did was come into a side that hadn't challenged for the title in years, immediately challenged for it, signed the key components we needed, then won the title. Then the club stagnates in the market, and this 'sucking all the energy' is merely 'we lost a lot and got sad'.

His actions were what every manager we gets actions is. Win something now or get fired. Or win something and get fired anyway. Pushed ourselves for a title win and the club thought 'guess that means this side can do it, no need for reinforcements'.

Its so easy to twists stuff negatively, it's actually impressive how people make a title win look like it killed this club.

Jose came at the right time. It's what he's good at. The year before we could've challenged if RDM wasnt undermined.

We didn't stagnate in the market. Its sparse as it is. City signed a player who Jose decided to sell. Jose made the choice not to mix it up with youth like Pochetino is doing.

Jose always has an agenda, and it's always about himself and own personal glory. That is why we are where we are.

This season it wasn't even about win something or get fired.

It was more shut up, manage this title winning squad or get fired.

It's so bad that people can't see Cesc and Costa with futures at Chelsea. This is what I mean. Jose signed 2 players to win him the league but there was no longevity with those signings as we are seeing now.

This season it wasn't even about win something or get fired.

It was more shut up, manage this title winning squad or get fired.

It's so bad that people can't see Cesc and Costa with futures at Chelsea. This is what I mean. Jose signed 2 players to win him the league but there was no longevity with those signings as we are seeing now.

You mean the Costa and Fabregas who were near ever-presents under Jose, including this season? Am I reading this right? Many many fans were calling for those 2 to be dropped, and Jose stood firm and kept them in the side. He got a lot of criticism for that, but now you are criticising him for not seeing them as long-term players???

Are you serious?

You mean the Costa and Fabregas who were near ever-presents under Jose, including this season? Am I reading this right? Many many fans were calling for those 2 to be dropped, and Jose stood firm and kept them in the side. He got a lot of criticism for that, but now you are criticising him for not seeing them as long-term players???

Are you serious?

You've totally misinterpreted what I said. Not remotely my point. I may have come across wrong in what I was trying to say.

What I am saying is that Jose signed 2 players that 14 months later are not part of the clubs culture where fans boo and want them out. Two signings that produced short term success for Jose

And currently no one wants Fabregas or Costa out, and they are 2 of our best performers lately.

And currently no one wants Fabregas or Costa out, and they are 2 of our best performers lately.

That's down to fickleness. Just read the abuse before and after Jose's sacking

Jose came at the right time. It's what he's good at. The year before we could've challenged if RDM wasnt undermined.

What a complete and utter load of bollocks, so Jose's trophy wins are all because of luck and timing? By all means question him for this season but coming out with sh*t like that just makes you look a disingenuous f**kwit.

Jose came at the right time.

Had Jose been in charge I believe last night would have been a lot closer. 

 

Said it on the match day thread, you can slug it out with a team that has more weapons then you. You have to draw them in to the kind of game they don't want to be in. Guss had no plan B.

 

I think Guss is a pretty good manager, done a great job both times but Iv'e never rated him top top class. 

 

Coming back to the topic.. Jose. I always wonder about this "Lost the dressing room" thing. It strikes me that if some one like Jose, who has one of the most glittering CV's in world football can loose a dressing room, well what does that say about our dressing room? This isn't David Moyes we are talking about. 

 

It seems to me that the only reason he would have lost the dressing room is because he dared to hurt the delicate feelings of a bunch of spoilt brats, maybe ask them to put in a bit of an extra shift. Told them a few home truths... And in the end we all know who it ended, with a disconnect between the individual or something like that.

 

Its long been said that it's easier to sack the manager then replace the players, that's all well and good but the problem with that is you still that bunch of soft, spineless players that fold a the first sign of adversity. That group of players is never going to win a CL, they haven't go the balls to do it, this group of players where never going to beat PSG last night, this is not a group of players that would have been able to overturn a 2-1 deficit in the nou camp with there lead striker suspended.

 

Someone wrote yesterday that you visibly saw Cescs inner arsenal come out.

 

Honestly I’m not sure where we go from here because both Conte and Simeoni will not be massaging any one’s feelings so I don’t see long term success with either of them and any one less just isn’t good enough. 

Jose came at the right time.

No Hes right, we were in a great position when he returned after winning g loads of trophies the season before with a perfectly balanced squad......oh hang on.

 

Had Jose been in charge I believe last night would have been a lot closer. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just wishful thinking Barak.

 

We saw what was happening under Jose this season and the performances were dreadful. He wasn't able to knock PSG out last year and they are even further ahead of us now.

 

No, IMO we were beaten by a better side last night. No shame in that and little difference another coach would have made.

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Just wishful thinking Barak.

 

We saw what was happening under Jose this season and the performances were dreadful. He wasn't able to knock PSG out last year and they are even further ahead of us now.

 

No, IMO we were beaten by a better side last night. No shame in that and little difference another coach would have made.

 

 

Nibs, they where a better side last season as well but they could not beat us on the night, two badly defended corners, that's what put us out, but a much more competative performance then last night. The poitn i'm making is that with a coach like Jose, Simeioni as well if you like, you have that extra chance, they don't always try and go toe to toe 

It is incredible that Jose could potentially be in no mans land job wise.

Still think he'll be at United next season but if he's not, I can't see where he'll end up.

If he's in no man's land, it'll largely be due to his priorities rather than a lack of interested employers.

Jose said he prefers to keep his family in England, so his options are limited, and it puts him in a weaker negotiating position. Nothing wrong at all with putting your family first, quite the contrary. Just stating that it limits the possibilities.

My guess is that he'll hold out for the Man United job, that he won't commit or show serious interest in other places until he hears for sure about Man United.

He might also go into national team management. I expect a load of exits after Euro 2016, and those countries would surely be interested in Jose. Maybe even Italy if/when Conte leaves. Maybe even England! Since national managers can work from afar more often, that could be acceptable for his family.

I can even see Jose waiting until the end of 2016, when Premier League managers are sacked en masse, to accept a new position as it would allow him to stay in England with his family.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Jose that returns to management is quite different from the one that left in December. I think this experience has forced him to rethink many things. It's hard to predict exactly how he'll be different, just that he will be.

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