RLC has exactly zero defensive contribution. Nat is yet to see if he can become something or not.

 

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

Bit harsh on Baker in particular who hasn't had a chance yet and has done everything right on loan. Nat and RLC could do a job for us now and will develop further. 

Not every member of the team can be a foreign star. Our youth are the best collectively in Europe and need to be given a chance to do a job. Vivesh makes that point well here in my view: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10912227/chelseas-talent-factory-inside-the-clubs-academy-success-story

Who's saying all have to be foreign stars? There's a middle ground between that and playing players not good enough just because there HG and young.

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

Bit harsh on Baker in particular who hasn't had a chance yet and has done everything right on loan. Nat and RLC could do a job for us now and will develop further. 

Not every member of the team can be a foreign star. Our youth are the best collectively in Europe and need to be given a chance to do a job. Vivesh makes that point well here in my view: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10912227/chelseas-talent-factory-inside-the-clubs-academy-success-story

Those youngsters won't develop further, if they keep spending most of the season on a Chelsea bench. I have to be honest, I'm yet to see anything from those players you've mentioned to suggest that they have a future at the club, but the only way for them to prove their worth is to play regularly. It's not going to happen at CFC so they'll have to go on loan, because we're not doing them any favours by limiting them to ten-fifteen minutes of substittute appearances here and there once every few weeks. It's important to assess what club would be the best option for them and demand that they'd get plenty of playing time. If they are good enough to play for Chelsea, they'll be back like Christensen is now, and Abraham most likely will be in the near future.

4 hours ago, Argo said:

Chalobah and Baker are squad players at best and Ruben is league 1 level. 

I'd say Ruben and Chalo have shown the most potential for us. Baker has only proven himself in Holland and thats a big leap to make. This sesson will make or break all three as far as Chelsea are concerned. I think we'll only keep one of Ruben and Chalo around.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

Who's saying all have to be foreign stars? There's a middle ground between that and playing players not good enough just because there HG and young.

I think this is Adi's point in the article. What is good enough? We have the best youth system in Europe if you go by winning trophies. Our guys are as well trained as anyone coming out of Bayern or Madrid or Barca. So what is the challenge?

The leap is actually being given a chance and that comes through not being 4th down the depth chart so that when we have an injury you're given a chance to show you can play. Ake, Chalobah, Baker and RLC are all elite for their age. They just don't play. 

2 hours ago, abramovich said:

Those youngsters won't develop further, if they keep spending most of the season on a Chelsea bench. I have to be honest, I'm yet to see anything from those players you've mentioned to suggest that they have a future at the club, but the only way for them to prove their worth is to play regularly. It's not going to happen at CFC so they'll have to go on loan, because we're not doing them any favours by limiting them to ten-fifteen minutes of substittute appearances here and there once every few weeks. It's important to assess what club would be the best option for them and demand that they'd get plenty of playing time. If they are good enough to play for Chelsea, they'll be back like Christensen is now, and Abraham most likely will be in the near future.

Christensen should get quite a few games this season. Ake is another who could easily play a role. My view is that we need to give these blokes a chance rather than automatically buying players. Moses is a perfect example of what can happen when a player is given an opportunity.

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

I think this is Adi's point in the article. What is good enough? We have the best youth system in Europe if you go by winning trophies. Our guys are as well trained as anyone coming out of Bayern or Madrid or Barca. So what is the challenge?

The leap is actually being given a chance and that comes through not being 4th down the depth chart so that when we have an injury you're given a chance to show you can play. Ake, Chalobah, Baker and RLC are all elite for their age. They just don't play. 

Christensen should get quite a few games this season. Ake is another who could easily play a role. My view is that we need to give these blokes a chance rather than automatically buying players. Moses is a perfect example of what can happen when a player is given an opportunity.

Winning trophies at the youth level doesn't mean much. Name me one player from our youth setup in all these years of winning things in youth competitions who proceeded to become a world class star, whether at Chelsea or somewhere else. I don't know what 'well-trained' means either, nobody's saying they're not training enough. Point is, you'll have to be an absolutely outstanding technical talent with great mentality and fitness levels to become a starter at a top club like Chelsea when you're a young player, because the competition for places is very strong and stakes are very high. That's what the loan system is for. You know what the best sign is for how good our 'elite' youngsters are? Show me how many, if any, clubs are lining up to sign them and I'll tell you how 'elite' those lads are. Scores of PL clubs are knocking on our doors, trying to get Tammy Abraham. That's how you know a  player's real worth.

It's a noble notion that we should trust the youth more, but I don't see the point of playing youngsters as a matter of principle. Very few footballers at young age have what it takes to start for a top European club. Going on loan where pressure isn't as big and opportunities to shine are plenty is the way to go. Grab your chance like Abraham and Ake did, and I'm sure you'll be rewarded. Fail or do relatively okay, well, then you have found your level. Remember Josh McEachran? Good example of how a youngster with so much promise failed to live up to the hype.

Edited June 19, 20179 yr by abramovich

Chelsea might as well play their games at Wimbledon cause it's gonna be a tennis match of first touches between Lukaku & Bakayoko next year

2 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

I think this is Adi's point in the article. What is good enough?

Not Nate and Ruben. Nate has the chance to be a long term O Shea like squad player, but he simply doesn't have enough in his locker to become a regular starter. Ruben just isn't a PL level player, he has odd bursts but in general is out of his depth.

13 hours ago, Argo said:

Chalobah and Baker are squad players at best and Ruben is league 1 level. 

nope.

21 hours ago, abramovich said:

Winning trophies at the youth level doesn't mean much. Very few footballers at young age have what it takes to start for a top European club. 

True, Oscar and Neymar are proof of this

On 6/18/2017 at 21:29, Deino said:

I wouldn't call him a magician just yet. Conte, from what I saw with his previous and current teams, if anything specializes in putting round pegs in round holes a trait you'd think managers who're paid millions per year would be good at. He'd make any mediocre player look good eg. Eder, Giacherini as well as tailoring the team to suit its best players eg. Pirlo, Hazard

 

Did you not see what he did with Luiz, Moses and Alonso this season? 

4 minutes ago, JJP said:

 

Did you not see what he did with Luiz, Moses and Alonso this season? 

Like I said, putting round pegs in round holes. It's a trait in which Conte excels at

Luiz isn't great next to Cahill but put him behind Cahill and Azpi and concentrate on cleaning up and occasionally contributing to the play maximizes his potential.

Moses is a sh*t winger but in a wingback with someone in front and behind him then he'll be a threat.

Alonso was always a natural wingback even in his Fiorentina days. What Conte did was just putting Hazard in front of him, when Hazard is in front of him, he is less troubled by the opposition thus allowing him to play crosses which are arguably one of his best assets.

24 minutes ago, JJP said:

 

Did you not see what he did with Luiz, Moses and Alonso this season? 

Alonso has improved his defending but Moses and Luiz are no different players to what they were at Chelsea the first time they are just being used correctly.

22 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

Chelsea might as well play their games at Wimbledon cause it's gonna be a tennis match of first touches between Lukaku & Bakayoko next year

1 minute ago, Batshuayi said:

 

Not my quote just something i saw on Twitter which i thought was quite funny.

Apparently it's a done deal ! Around  40 million euros 

Does anybody look familiar with France's RMC Sport? 

bouhafsi is the french di marzio 

Ah, thanks

looks like this is virtually a done deal.

 

 

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Edited June 22, 20179 yr by DidierDrogbalala

bouhafsi is the french di marzio 

He's way more accurate than Di Marzio. Never seen him get anything wrong.

Di Marzio is overrated.

From what I've heard Bouhafsi is generally considered one of the most reliable journos around

From what I've heard Bouhafsi is generally considered one of the most reliable journos around

THE most reliable in my opinion. Never says anything unless it's credible.