I agree, it would have been nice to see Nate dawg get more time to develop on the pitch. I wonder just how good he would be if he had played just as much football at the level Bakayoko has been. Chalobah has always shown a lot of love for the club too, I read somewhere that he has only ever had playing in first XI for Chelsea in his mind. 

Chalobah has had A LOT of first team experience though. Over 100 first team appearances iirc. Including his spell at Napoli. Let's not act like he hasn't gotten enough game time to impress.

12 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

Chalobah has had A LOT of first team experience though. Over 100 first team appearances iirc. Including his spell at Napoli. Let's not act like he hasn't gotten enough game time to impress.

True but how many games has he played in the champions league like Bakayoko has had? Surely playing top sides for a pretty significant period of the season can really bring you on as a player I would assume.

We will never know what Chalobah capable of if we won't give him a proper chance to play. He's 22 and he has to be ready to play for us. 

I've nothing against Bakayoko, he had an incredible season with Monaco, but I think that we've got a good defensive midfielder that can do the job for us. 

 

Totally against this signing, even if Conte/Emenalo may disagree.

Chalobah and Loftus-Cheek should be promoted.

Not happy when we have Nat and LC, whats the point of youngsters signing for us when they know no matter how good they are they will never play

Chelsea Youth‏ @chelseayouth  7h7 hours ago

 

Predictable observation: This time last year, Bakayoko (Aug 94) had played less pro matches + mins than Chalobah (Dec 94). Experience...

Edited June 23, 20179 yr by charierre

I'd rather bring Baker into the fold than RLC. I even prefer Baker to Chalobah.

To everyone who is complaining about Chalobah not getting a chance, Bakayoko may be a direct replacement for Matic? With more games next season Chalobah and Baker certainly will see more chances.

3 hours ago, Barrettinator said:

I'd rather bring Baker into the fold than RLC. I even prefer Baker to Chalobah.

Agreed, I want to see Baker get into some games next season.

6 hours ago, IliyaKrostin said:

We will never know what Chalobah capable of if we won't give him a proper chance to play. He's 22 and he has to be ready to play for us. 

I've nothing against Bakayoko, he had an incredible season with Monaco, but I think that we've got a good defensive midfielder that can do the job for us. 

 

By that logic we should have played Papy and Hector because well we won't know if they don't get the chance, right? If the only way Conte and the coaching staff can work out if the player is good enough or not is to give them first team games then they should all be fired on the spot. The likely reality is Conte assesed Nate's quality's and came to the same conclusion Sarri and Dyche did, which is decent depth filler. If Chalobah was as good as Bakayoko he would have walked into Napoli's team.

Imagine if we passed up on Hazard to "develop" Kakuta?

11 hours ago, OverAndOut said:

Totally against this signing, even if Conte/Emenalo may disagree.

Chalobah and Loftus-Cheek should be promoted.

Why neither are good enough, chalobah would be playing out of his skin to play first 11 at a mid level PL club and RLC has flashes but he is championship level at present, we want to challenge for the CL, maybe RLC hasn't had much time to prove him self but chalobah has had plenty of game time through loans, he is a decent player but not Chelsea first 11 quality not a chance, even bakayoko is a bit of a risk but he has just won the French league and been to the semis in the CL as in integral part of the team and at about the same age as chalobah, he could be a very very good player and for me is better than Matic already 

Edited June 24, 20179 yr by DonAntonio

10 hours ago, Brutos said:

Not happy when we have Nat and LC, whats the point of youngsters signing for us when they know no matter how good they are they will never play

That's totally not true if rashford was a Chelsea player he would play, we don't have anyone good enough our youth would play at no top club and that's just a fact we blamed mou yet mou played rashford in big games, nacho would also play for us, it's very rare in today's football youngsters play unless phenomenal, there is too much at risk for the managers, they don't win they get sacked why would they risk their careers to play youth? Modern football isn't set up for top clubs to play youth that's the system not Chelsea. Are managers think that they would not play the best players possible, if a youth player is good why wouldn't he play them, again why would he play an inferior player to develop them at the cost of his job? Get over youth won't be seeing it at top clubs unless some rule changes or a change in structure 

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tiemoue-bakayoko-chelsea-disappointing-nathaniel-chalobah-deserves-chance-ray-wilkins-a3572111.html

Can Nathaniel Chalobah improve what we have currently? That is the question. Wilkins has a point but if we want to improve our starting XI we need heavy hitters.

Bakayoko is a monster and he will improve significantly with Conte, and due to his young age. There was a negative comments about Kante as well. He wasn`t good enough, could not pass and so on in my country media/forum, same goes for Moses and Alonso.
They all was proven wrong by this players and Conte.

So if Conte wants him, then he is the man. I do think he will be next Essien for us. Exactly what we need.

 

2 minutes ago, brakeit said:

Bakayoko is a monster and he will improve significantly with Conte, and due to his young age. There was a negative comments about Kante as well. He wasn`t good enough, could not pass and so on in my country media/forum, same goes for Moses and Alonso.
They all was proven wrong by this players and Conte.

So if Conte wants him, then he is the man. I do think he will be next Essien for us. Exactly what we need.

 

Thats a big call and you are underrating Essien, finding a player like Essien is near on impossible. If this guy is just half the player Essien is we will be lucky.

1 hour ago, IliyaKrostin said:

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tiemoue-bakayoko-chelsea-disappointing-nathaniel-chalobah-deserves-chance-ray-wilkins-a3572111.html

 I could almost imagine Wilkins at the training ground in 2010 telling Carlo not to sign Luiz and Neymar because we had Bruma and Kakuta.

How that guy got a coaching job here is a mystery.

Just now, Argo said:

 I could almost imagine Wilkins at the training ground in 2010 telling Carlo not to sign Luiz and Neymar because we had Bruma and Kakuta.

How that guy got a coaching job here is a mystery.

You're just picking random youth players now. Obviously you can't just give the chance to everyone and anyone, but to players that stand out and have shown they have both the quality and the potential, then it is very disheartening for everyone involved to see them passed over time and time again.

It won't be long til we have a youth player break through anyway, we are on the verge now with the youth team looking the best out of all other teams on the planet.

Its only a matter of time before it happens. It may not be Chalobah, but there certainly will be someone.

37 minutes ago, Zeta said:

You're just picking random youth players now. Obviously you can't just give the chance to everyone and anyone, but to players that stand out and have shown they have both the quality and the potential, then it is very disheartening for everyone involved to see them passed over time and time again.

Not random youth players, Bruma and Kakuta were getting hyped as world beaters back then and a lot of people didn't want us to sign Luiz and Neymar because we had them two.

How does Chalobah stand out? He's been at 3 top flight clubs now and all came to the conclusion he was squad player standard only. Or has Conte, Sarri and Dyche all got it wrong? I mean imagine if we signed a player of that profile, the same people moaning he doesn't "get a chance" would be the same moaning about lack of ambition and dismiss him as "another Papy".

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

Not random youth players, Bruma and Kakuta were getting hyped as world beaters back then and a lot of people didn't want us to sign Luiz and Neymar because we had them two.

How does Chalobah stand out? He's been at 3 top flight clubs now and all came to the conclusion he was squad player standard only. Or has Conte, Sarri and Dyche all got it wrong? I mean imagine if we signed a player of that profile, the same people moaning he doesn't "get a chance" would be the same moaning about lack of ambition and dismiss him as "another Papy".

I don't remember anyone thinking they were anything special. Kakuta is always billed as one that was hyped massively, but that's only because of the trouble we got in signing him. You can't always necessarily judge a player by a loan spell. Unless the player is head and tails above all their others in that position, managers are always going to favour their own players over ones on loan, as they have no vested interest in helping to develop them. If you look at the amount of games he has played for England at all the various youth levels, you don't get that many caps by being a bang average player. And the rare occasions when he played last season, I thought he looked confident and not out of place. I would just like us to give someone a real chance for a change, but i doubt we will, we'll keep signing foreign players instead for 30m here or 40m there. It seems to be the case here that if you are a young player, you have to already be better than the senior players to get any games, you never get that time to grow into the team and develop. Even when they go out on loan and do really well, like Lukaku did, they come back and get sold, like I'm sure we will end up doing with Ake and Christensen as well.

Just now, Zeta said:

I don't remember anyone thinking they were anything special. Kakuta is always billed as one that was hyped massively, but that's only because of the trouble we got in signing him. You can't always necessarily judge a player by a loan spell. Unless the player is head and tails above all their others in that position, managers are always going to favour their own players over ones on loan, as they have no vested interest in helping to develop them. If you look at the amount of games he has played for England at all the various youth levels, you don't get that many caps by being a bang average player. And the rare occasions when he played last season, I thought he looked confident and not out of place. I would just like us to give someone a real chance for a change, but i doubt we will, we'll keep signing foreign players instead for 30m here or 40m there. It seems to be the case here that if you are a young player, you have to already be better than the senior players to get any games, you never get that time to grow into the team and develop. Even when they go out on loan and do really well, like Lukaku did, they come back and get sold, like I'm sure we will end up doing with Ake and Christensen as well.

Lukaku got offered a role in the squad, he demanded undisputed first choice place, what could we do? And no, if the player is doing well enough he will play and tbh if Chala isn't head and heals above the Burnley midfield, that in itself is a concern.

Lukaku, despite being very good on loan, was told he would be behind Torres, who everyone knew was sh*t, it's not a surprise really that he wanted to leave and actually play games.

Chalobah may well have been better than the other options they had at Burnley, if given time to bed into the team, but as I said, managers will always favour their own players over ones they have on loan, Chalobah is hardly the first loanee to find that out the hard way, and he won't be the last. Besides, that was 2 years ago, he's a better player now than he was then.

 

I think most of us are happy enough to see matic at 29 moved on. We've had his peak years. With kante and cesc, we have two top level cm. Then an exciting mix of Baka baker chalo. Let them three compete for minutes.

What a way for us to witness Matic going too, with that cracker against Spurs in the Cup.