51 minutes ago, ducavis said:

So we are giving Madrid back their money back for a RB they were desperate to get rid of, and Bayern managed to loan James for 2 years. 

All the deals we are making this summer window are just weird. You would think after winning the league we would be buying players to take us the next level, instead it seems we are expecting Conte to continue turning water into wine. 

But with true wc players going for 100MIL a go what would you expect?

I think we're trying to be shrewd and not have our pants pulled down on every deal.

Lots of defenders and midfielders but no attackers for us.

I'd have liked to have James, he's better than Pedro and Willian by some distance in my view. Anyhow, still early enough in the season and the club management have some money and they aren't blind.

Sanchez even better, although not as central striker.

ManU only have one more good season in them under Mourinho anyway.

Last season they bought all these players and where did it get them?

So Danilo schmilo we shall see.

2 hours ago, ducavis said:

So we are giving Madrid back their money back for a RB they were desperate to get rid of, and Bayern managed to loan James for 2 years. 

All the deals we are making this summer window are just weird. You would think after winning the league we would be buying players to take us the next level, instead it seems we are expecting Conte to continue turning water into wine. 

RM got Danilo 2 years ago. The market is just weird right now.

As for James, where exactly would he fit and also, IF we got James, can you give me a decent scenario where we have just 17 non HG players because currently we have 13 (Tibo, Willy, Eduardo, Luiz, Azpi, Rudiger, Alonso, Matic, Kante, Hazard, willian, Pedro, Michy) and still need to get a CM (Bakayoko), an LWB (Sandro/Baba), an RWB (danilo) and most importantly a ST (Morata/Belotti/someone). For none of these 4 positions are we linked with a HG player as there is barely an great available HG players for these positions (Lukaku was one, and hence very vital).

As for just Danilo, I think he is a very good player. He is to RM what i would say salah/cuadrado were to us, good players who are a level below the rest of the team and hence found it difficult to adjust, but would slot in perfectly in teams a tier/level below (in context of RM, it would be us). He had a rocky start to his RM career and with carvajal in the roster he barely got playtime. Playing once a month is always difficult. 

As a Wingback, most of his shortcomings can be taken care of. And in the current market 30mil euros for a 26 year old wing back with atleast 5 good years ahead of him is a very good buy.

32 minutes ago, didierforever said:

RM got Danilo 2 years ago. The market is just weird right now.

As for James, where exactly would he fit and also, IF we got James, can you give me a decent scenario where we have just 17 non HG players because currently we have 13 (Tibo, Willy, Eduardo, Luiz, Azpi, Rudiger, Alonso, Matic, Kante, Hazard, willian, Pedro, Michy) and still need to get a CM (Bakayoko), an LWB (Sandro/Baba), an RWB (danilo) and most importantly a ST (Morata/Belotti/someone). For none of these 4 positions are we linked with a HG player as there is barely an great available HG players for these positions (Lukaku was one, and hence very vital).

As for just Danilo, I think he is a very good player. He is to RM what i would say salah/cuadrado were to us, good players who are a level below the rest of the team and hence found it difficult to adjust, but would slot in perfectly in teams a tier/level below (in context of RM, it would be us). He had a rocky start to his RM career and with carvajal in the roster he barely got playtime. Playing once a month is always difficult. 

As a Wingback, most of his shortcomings can be taken care of. And in the current market 30mil euros for a 26 year old wing back with atleast 5 good years ahead of him is a very good buy.

Agree with this... if we can somehow pick up Bakayoko, Sandro and Morata it will be (imo) a very, very good window.

 

Maybe picking up Danilo will entice Sandro to sign even more with us seeing as they were besties back at Porto... 

30 minutes ago, Raven8er said:

Agree with this... if we can somehow pick up Bakayoko, Sandro and Morata it will be (imo) a very, very good window.

 

Maybe picking up Danilo will entice Sandro to sign even more with us seeing as they were besties back at Porto... 

Totally Agree. 

We would have got Conte's 1st Choice RWB, 1st choice LWB (though I honestly dont see this transfer happening), 1st choice CM, 1st choice CB (he wanted rudiger last year itself) and his 2nd choice ST (after Lukaku). 

Which would be a great window.

Only qualm is selling Ake. Still think that was a stupid decision and will come back to bite us in the ass.

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

Totally Agree. 

We would have got Conte's 1st Choice RWB, 1st choice LWB (though I honestly dont see this transfer happening), 1st choice CM, 1st choice CB (he wanted rudiger last year itself) and his 2nd choice ST (after Lukaku). 

Which would be a great window.

Only qualm is selling Ake. Still think that was a stupid decision and will come back to bite us in the ass.

Agree with you there, would be a great window. Even after signing all of these players I suspect we won't be done yet.

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Danilo was superb at Porto, lost his way at Real.

Massive upgrade on Moses, get it done Chels.

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

Totally Agree. 

We would have got Conte's 1st Choice RWB, 1st choice LWB (though I honestly dont see this transfer happening), 1st choice CM, 1st choice CB (he wanted rudiger last year itself) and his 2nd choice ST (after Lukaku). 

Which would be a great window.

Only qualm is selling Ake. Still think that was a stupid decision and will come back to bite us in the ass.

I would still be worried about the lack of creativity in forward positions. Having Hazard who is out for a while, Pedro and Willian is not enough depth and quality for the amount of games Chelsea will be playing.

7 hours ago, AndyBlue82 said:

But with true wc players going for 100MIL a go what would you expect?

I think we're trying to be shrewd and not have our pants pulled down on every deal.

Spurs want €50m for Walker, Semedo, Sidibe, Aurier and Conti went to Milan for €24m. If Conte can’t get him back to his Porto form we will be stuck with him. You look around Europe and Costa went on loan initially from Bayern to Juve, & Rodriguez from Madrid to Bayern. Most of the players we have got rid of have been on initial loan deals with an option to buy. Paying upfront for a deadwood especially the cost to the parent club is a bad idea.

3 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

I would still be worried about the lack of creativity in forward positions. Having Hazard who is out for a while, Pedro and Willian is not enough depth and quality for the amount of games Chelsea will be playing.

Yup. But dont think we have much option.

1 minute ago, didierforever said:

Yup. But dont think we have much option.

Sorry I forgot to say I agree with you regarding Ake. A player who can play 3 positions, Homegrown and hasn't really put a foot wrong while out on loan or in a Chelsea shirt last season I can see as a mistake. It would of also freed up money and another position to look for an attacking midfielder. Just throw the money at Sanchez and give Arsenal the decision to make.

7 hours ago, ozboy said:

Lots of defenders and midfielders but no attackers for us.

I'd have liked to have James, he's better than Pedro and Willian by some distance in my view. Anyhow, still early enough in the season and the club management have some money and they aren't blind.

Sanchez even better, although not as central striker.

ManU only have one more good season in them under Mourinho anyway.

Last season they bought all these players and where did it get them?

So Danilo schmilo we shall see.

Disagree with exactly every point in that post   well maybe except the sanchez one. James I wouldn't have minded when I first heard just because I wanted reinforcements,  but he fits no where in the system except if he tries to play where fab did last season in the front 3 but he can't pick a pass like fab, so what's the point, then he isn't as fast as willin or pedro so again what's the point, he works in a team that play a number 10. 

Man U will be  force in the league and Europe under Mou, he will stay there for his longest stint if he doesn't lose teh dressing room which at Man U he wont, too much support from ex players, fergie, the club is behind him. 

Danilo "schmilo" was probably better than sandro at porto, has had trouble at Real, could turn out to be Wc under the right conditions at worst an upgrade on Victor who is way sub par despite playing out of his skin last season so at 30 mil Euro he opens the door for business with Real for morata and gives sandro another reason to come here. 

 

4 hours ago, JMaher94 said:

Danilo was superb at Porto, lost his way at Real.

Massive upgrade on Moses, get it done Chels.

MASSIVE UPGRADE!!!! you are having a laugh

More like a quality sub for moses just as he was for carvaral

Supposed to be a done deal, but there's no news on a medical yet.

2 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

Supposed to be a done deal, but there's no news on a medical yet.

Source?

Mirror reckoned he could sign before our tour 

lol

 

On 7/12/2017 at 17:00, Don Conte said:

MASSIVE UPGRADE!!!! you are having a laugh

More like a quality sub for moses just as he was for carvaral

Carvajal is at least top 3 in world RB, no real shame in being his backup.

Moses really tailed off second half of last season.

3 minutes ago, startedwithglenn said:

Carvajal is at least top 3 in world RB, no real shame in being his backup.

Moses really tailed off second half of last season.

Just out of curiosity, who are the other 2 in your top 3?

5 minutes ago, mwblue10 said:

Just out of curiosity, who are the other 2 in your top 3?

Azpi and Lahm probably. Think Carvajal is the best actually now you made me think about it.

41 minutes ago, startedwithglenn said:

Carvajal is at least top 3 in world RB, no real shame in being his backup.

Moses really tailed off second half of last season.

I dont doubt carvaral's quality. But to say he is better than moses who was a stud for us last season is just not right. okay Moses faded at the tail end of the season but what do u expect when u have no one to sub for you due to fatigue. The same thing happened to Alonso and thats why we are trying to get a back up to compete and relieve the workload. Danilo has been riding the bench for 2 season so i dont know what form you are using to judge Danilo unless you are using his porto form of 2 seasons ago, which is just unacceptable

1 hour ago, buzzcfc said:

Source?

Just basing it on multiple papers running with the story, that a fee has been agreed, remains to be seen though. 

5 hours ago, Don Conte said:

I dont doubt carvaral's quality. But to say he is better than moses who was a stud for us last season is just not right. okay Moses faded at the tail end of the season but what do u expect when u have no one to sub for you due to fatigue. The same thing happened to Alonso and thats why we are trying to get a back up to compete and relieve the workload. Danilo has been riding the bench for 2 season so i dont know what form you are using to judge Danilo unless you are using his porto form of 2 seasons ago, which is just unacceptable

I mean I agree with you that hopefully it was an overload issue with Moses, he was fantastic for about 60% of the season.

Of course i'm using Danilo's Porto performances as a guide. I've never said Danilo will be superior to Moses although I do suspect he will be.

All I said was that being stuck behind arguably the worlds best RB isn't a slant on Danilo and that Moses faded later in the season (which you agree with)

6 minutes ago, startedwithglenn said:

I mean I agree with you that hopefully it was an overload issue with Moses, he was fantastic for about 60% of the season.

Of course i'm using Danilo's Porto performances as a guide. I've never said Danilo will be superior to Moses although I do suspect he will be.

All I said was that being stuck behind arguably the worlds best RB isn't a slant on Danilo and that Moses faded later in the season (which you agree with)

Danilo would be worth the purchase for depth alone in my opinion, regardless of who gets played more.