2 hours ago, tmarmsi said:

What serious minutes has he been playing in the PL recently??, Sarri must of been on holiday when that happened 

Brought on with 30 minutes to go against wolves. Brought on against Everton with 15 minutes to go. 

Both games in balance and both times willian/Pedro could have been brought on instead. 

Add to the fact he's played Europa League, it's more than he was getting 3-4 months ago. Just saying it's going in the right direction. 

I genuinely think under conte and Jose we wouldn't have even seen him to have such these opinions!

 

13 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Brought on with 30 minutes to go against wolves. Brought on against Everton with 15 minutes to go. 

Both games in balance and both times willian/Pedro could have been brought on instead. 

Add to the fact he's played Europa League, it's more than he was getting 3-4 months ago. Just saying it's going in the right direction. 

I genuinely think under conte and Jose we wouldn't have even seen him to have such these opinions!

 

Both games in the balance? In both games when CHO was brought on we were losing. Against Wolves it was only 1-0 and he did help us to earn a point but came on against Everton 0-2 and got 15 minutes. Not what I would call "in the balance".

Give the lad a PL start FFS!!

 

? hilarious. This is something I can imagine Sarri saying too lol.

 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

Both games in the balance? In both games when CHO was brought on we were losing. Against Wolves it was only 1-0 and he did help us to earn a point but came on against Everton 0-2 and got 15 minutes. Not what I would call "in the balance".

 Give the lad a PL start FFS!!

 

Well 1-0 down to Wolves with 30 left the game is 100% in the balance. I didn't think he played that well against Wolves to be fair. 

Against Everton I was pretty drunk at the time, dont really remember what happened!

I think he should get a start, definitely. If only because Willian/Pedro havent done enough to keep him out all the time. My point was that his minutes are going in the right direction and I would be shocked if he doesnt start 2-3 of the remaining league games this year. 

Let’s not forget he supposedly handed in a transfer request! At some clubs he would have been frozen out! Look at Rabiot. Can’t even train with the first team now. 

We don’t know what he’s like behind the scenes but I ask you this. If any of you had an apprentice who was good at his job but still needed to learn the ropes properly came to you and said he wanted to move to another company because they’re better but you still needed him to do odd jobs and keep things ticking over? What would you do? You’d say son, stick it out, keep learning your trade and if you really want to go you can in the the summer when we can find a replacement.

You might think that’s a sh*t analogy but at the end of the day he’s still an apprentice and Sarri is an old school Italian manager dealing with it in the way he feels best.

8 minutes ago, rtwelch said:

Let’s not forget he supposedly handed in a transfer request! At some clubs he would have been frozen out! Look at Rabiot. Can’t even train with the first team now. 

We don’t know what he’s like behind the scenes but I ask you this. If any of you had an apprentice who was good at his job but still needed to learn the ropes properly came to you and said he wanted to move to another company because they’re better but you still needed him to do odd jobs and keep things ticking over? What would you do? You’d say son, stick it out, keep learning your trade and if you really want to go you can in the the summer when we can find a replacement.

You might think that’s a sh*t analogy but at the end of the day he’s still an apprentice and Sarri is an old school Italian manager dealing with it in the way he feels best.

Yep.

Only jesting BUT football is a completely different animal - you can't compare it to your run of the mill apprentice working in other industries. CHO may only be 18 but he is highly sort after and that will just to continue to grow and grow now he's become a Full International. We cannot afford for Sarri to remain stubborn or for the club to be too bullish, 'cos we will end up losing a player who will undoubtedly become a prize asset. I know folk might not like the fact an 18 year old can have so much power and be calling the shots but who can blame him. Make hay whilst the sun shines as they say. He's clearly a confident lad and he's going places - hopefully with CFC.

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

Both games in the balance? In both games when CHO was brought on we were losing. Against Wolves it was only 1-0 and he did help us to earn a point but came on against Everton 0-2 and got 15 minutes. Not what I would call "in the balance".

Give the lad a PL start FFS!!

 

He cant even start all Europa league games which I find unbelievable.

49 minutes ago, rtwelch said:

Let’s not forget he supposedly handed in a transfer request! At some clubs he would have been frozen out! Look at Rabiot. Can’t even train with the first team now. 

We don’t know what he’s like behind the scenes but I ask you this. If any of you had an apprentice who was good at his job but still needed to learn the ropes properly came to you and said he wanted to move to another company because they’re better but you still needed him to do odd jobs and keep things ticking over? What would you do? You’d say son, stick it out, keep learning your trade and if you really want to go you can in the the summer when we can find a replacement.

You might think that’s a sh*t analogy but at the end of the day he’s still an apprentice and Sarri is an old school Italian manager dealing with it in the way he feels best.

OK, but when your owner has invested heavily in the Academy, has said that he wants the club to be self sustaining, you're not competing financially for the best players from other clubs, and your youth teams win almost everything, then getting your own youth players through to the first team should be a priority.

9 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

OK, but when your owner has invested heavily in the Academy, has said that he wants the club to be self sustaining, you're not competing financially for the best players from other clubs, and your youth teams win almost everything, then getting your own youth players through to the first team should be a priority.

True. I would absolutely love it if we had RLC, CHO, Tammy, James & Mount fighting for places next season. It would make the years of disappointment on that front more worth it I think.

34 minutes ago, rtwelch said:

True. I would absolutely love it if we had RLC, CHO, Tammy, James & Mount fighting for places next season. It would make the years of disappointment on that front more worth it I think.

Two other advantages:

1) They have an emotional attachment to Chelsea, and will have a passion for the club that has built up over years of wearing the badge.

2) Young players coming through have likely played or trained together, so they have already developed (at least) a slight understanding of what it is like to play together.  

Sarri got absolutely hounded during his pre-match press conference with questions about CHO to the point where he basically had to tell the media to talk about something else. 

That wasn't unexpected.  I always felt that if Sarri started him against Cardiff, it would appear as if he was caving to supporter pressure.  And his stubbornness was not going to make it look like that.  

 

15 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

I always felt that if Sarri started him against Cardiff, it would appear as if he was caving to supporter pressure.  And his stubbornness was not going to make it look like that.  

This is just pure fan fiction. I doubt he gives a toss and if he doesn't start CHO its not because he wants to look like he is caving, its because he doesn't think its the right thing to do. Why didn't he care about looking like caving every other time he started him? It should take like 2 minutes of consideration before disregarding this idea as nonsense.

Like just think about it. Sarri doesn't want to make himself look amazing by playing this amazing player that the fans obviously love purely because that's what they want??? Even if doing it would make the fans love him too????? Is peoples opinion of Sarri this bloody low?

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55 minutes ago, Stim said:

This is just pure fan fiction. I doubt he gives a toss and if he doesn't start CHO its not because he wants to look like he is caving, its because he doesn't think its the right thing to do. Why didn't he care about looking like caving every other time he started him? It should take like 2 minutes of consideration before disregarding this idea as nonsense.

Like just think about it. Sarri doesn't want to make himself look amazing by playing this amazing player that the fans obviously love purely because that's what they want??? Even if doing it would make the fans love him too????? Is peoples opinion of Sarri this bloody low?.  He doesn't give a 

I would argue that a major criticism of Sarri this season is him starting players whose form doesn't deserve it.  So what is that down to?  It's his stubbornness.  The clamour to start him has never been higher than it has been this week following his appearance and start for England.  Fueled in large part by the constant media reports of him starting for his country but not for his club in the league.  

The opinion of Sarri IS fairly low...…...not just because the supporters want CHO to play more than he is.  Because the results have been inconsistent, because his starting lineups are not indicative of who is in form, because his substitutions have been predictable and not changed anything, and because people are not excited to watch his style of football.  

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Personally I would have played CHO more. Give him a proper chance to change a game and to make his mark. BUT and this is a huge but it is not Sarri's job to force CHO into our starting 11. Pedro, Willian and Hazard are wingers as well. Why wouldn't they start? Much more experienced players with a great track record. 

People just want to see an 18 year old english born player to start for a big club. That is what media, england and football fans want. Sarri wants Chelsea to learn his style of play and to win games. In that last sentence there is nothing about CHO. Jaden Sancho doesn't really help this massive urge. 

I would love us to win and do well. If we achieve that we can go on and give more chances to a young boy.

Do well first, let neural fans cream their pants second. Playing CHO more could make us play better but I think we have bigger problems than a choice of winger.

My gut feeling is he wont sign the new deal. Will be more gutted to see him go than hazard, least we saw him at his best.

1 hour ago, Boston Blue said:

I would argue that a major criticism of Sarri this season is him starting players whose form doesn't deserve it.  So what is that down to?  It's his stubbornness.  The clamour to start him has never been higher than it has been this week following his appearance and start for England.  Fueled in large part by the constant media reports of him starting for his country but not for his club in the league.  

The opinion of Sarri IS fairly low...…...not just because the supporters want CHO to play more than he is.  Because the results have been inconsistent, because his starting lineups are not indicative of who is in form, because his substitutions have been predictable and not changed anything, and because people are not excited to watch his style of football.  

I don't know on the form... people were still criticizing him starting Alonso last game, and he was brilliant the game before in the Europa match.  I think people know some guys aren't great, and they just hope another guy is better, even if he isn't.  Would we be worried if Emerson went to any team ahead of us?  

If Sarri wants players to learn his style why wouldn't he play younger hungrier players looking to win more often?

Or to put it another way, at their stages of their careers having won many trophies are Willian and Pedro still hungry for the fight? Say a battling team away.

I can't see Willian or Pedro improving much beyond their current level in the next year or 2, Yet still Sarri keeps on about them all the time as if their undropable, as if they are going to magically play blinders all the time.

Sarri if you saying CHO is on the same level then ffs play him! Christensen should be playing more, Ampadu showed last season he is more than capable.

 

Also, it seems CHO's face is plastered everywhere on the Chelsea website.  

Really has me thinking that Hazard is going to Real, and CHO has been promised his spot for next season.

23 minutes ago, evissy said:

Personally I would have played CHO more. Give him a proper chance to change a game and to make his mark. BUT and this is a huge but it is not Sarri's job to force CHO into our starting 11. Pedro, Willian and Hazard are wingers as well. Why wouldn't they start? Much more experienced players with a great track record. 

 

Except Sarri has come out and said these are players who he can't motivate and who are not playing his football......... and yet he still picks them .....

When you look at the competition CHO has gotten a decent amount of time in recently, he's the second leading scorer in the team ahead of those more experienced players and their previous track records despite playing significantly less minutes than some.

If CHO is "forced" into the first team it will be because what he has done with the very limited minutes he has gotten, and not because Sarri if forcing some untalented player into the first team at the expense of players who are playing much better.

It might not be Sarri's job to force CHO into the squad, but it's also not his job to freeze CHO out just because CHO is 18 when his form, his potential, and that of those around him mean CHO should clearly be getting far more minutes.

13 minutes ago, Wearyourblue said:

I don't know on the form... people were still criticizing him starting Alonso last game, and he was brilliant the game before in the Europa match.  I think people know some guys aren't great, and they just hope another guy is better, even if he isn't.  Would we be worried if Emerson went to any team ahead of us?  

If he dropped the players who are out of form, and their replacements didn't do any better, people probably wouldn't complain so much.  It's the fact that out of form players keep their place.  It's a dis-incentive for players outside the starting 11 to push for a place if they believe that no matter how well they do, and how poorly the player in front of him does, that they still won't be given a chance.

8 minutes ago, Barry Bridges said:

Except Sarri has come out and said these are players who he can't motivate and who are not playing his football......... and yet he still picks them .....

When you look at the competition CHO has gotten a decent amount of time in recently, he's the second leading scorer in the team ahead of those more experienced players and their previous track records despite playing significantly less minutes than some.

If CHO is "forced" into the first team it will be because what he has done with the very limited minutes he has gotten, and not because Sarri if forcing some untalented player into the first team at the expense of players who are playing much better.

It might not be Sarri's job to force CHO into the squad, but it's also not his job to freeze CHO out just because CHO is 18 when his form, his potential, and that of those around him mean CHO should clearly be getting far more minutes.

I have nothing against your points. Fair points. My concern around CHO is he is in the spotlight. This not fair amount of focus to a young talent. I hope everyone in Chelsea are focused on making Chelsea win games and not focus on CHO. And I believe so. 

Non-Chelsea fans and neutrals put this pressure as they want to see young england player play and they want negativity towards Chelsea. 

I think Sarri wants to focus on more basic issues and not personnel. Not saying Sarri is right or he has got this right but it seems even sane people go crazy with CHO. 

Sarri said he barely watched any of the England games.  I find this odd.  If your job entails making players better and coaching a team, and you have players playing in a major competition, aren't you curious to see how they do?

To be fair he was probably busy smoking, probably caught some footy in between ciggies.

6 hours ago, Boston Blue said:

OK, but when your owner has invested heavily in the Academy, has said that he wants the club to be self sustaining, you're not competing financially for the best players from other clubs, and your youth teams win almost everything, then getting your own youth players through to the first team should be a priority.

There is a theory that football is a "weak link" game, in that your worst player costs you more often than your best player benefits you (as opposed to basketball which is a "strong link" game, your best player is more important than whether his team-mates are bobbins or not, because he will score sh*t tons regardless). It came from the book "The Numbers Game", which had good stuff and bad stuff, but this was a good theory I think. 

In this context, I think the amount that Roman has invested in the youth team doesn't actually benefit our youth prospects. If you have a team full of players who are fixing to be good solid championship pros (but are never likely to make it at our level), they will beat most teams who have one or two potential top talents who will go on to be Prem (or equivalent) stars, but also a handful of players who will never make it as pros at all.

The amount they have won is meaningless, as it's not because they're truly the elite at that level. It's because our worst player at that level is leagues better than everyone else's worst player, because we likely spent a (relative) ton of money on buying him from the a Danish youth team or whatever. 

Because of that, I've been pretty cold on youth players breaking through in general. Your record in youth football here is pretty meaningless, because of the way we do it. 

I will say that CHO and Christensen look a different level to pretty much every other player we've had coming through the youth system in the last decade and a half though; based on their appearances in the first team. But, I still get why managers aren't as trusting of youth here, as it's really hard to tell who's a CHO and who's a Musonda/Kakuta/So on without actually putting them in the first team.