I agree that there is a bias with Guardiola in the media. 

But like I said, put it into perspective, CHO hasn't had that much more minutes than Foden, and City are challenging for the league. If they were in the Europa League I think it's fair to say Foden would have had more games, especially if they weren't in a title contention also. 

- Sarri isn't playing CHO enough

- The media are biased on the Foden/CHO situation when it comes to Pep vs Sarri

Both can be true at once. 

Edited March 26, 20197 yr by Slojo

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I don't see any reason why he shouldn't start ahead of Willian or Pedro at this point.

Even if he doesn't have a good game, that's fine put in Pedro at min 60' or something or Willian, they are older but would be more fresh to impact the game (not that it's a guarantee though).

Exactly... What do we have to lose anyway?

For the people comparing Foden's and Callum's club minutes..... have you guys seen the BPL table since fall of 2018? Have we already picked up one domestic trophy and within arms reach of winning the other? Because that'll likely explain the stark differences of our situations and thus the futility of comparing them as equal. 

As one of the loudest people banging on about CHO needing more minutes let me just assure you I wouldn't be banging on at all if CHO was getting his current minutes and the club was chasing a quadruple trophy count for the season.  I doubt many others would be either.  In fact we'd likely be delirious with joy....but behold, my heart is not filled with quadruple mirth the way City fans are (and likely Foden too).

 

Also, Foden is signed until 2024... so if City want to screw him for minutes this season they have a few more to make it up to him before he can leave on a free or even force a move......not the situation with CHO.  

Lastly are these people really sure they want to look at the minutes City gives there youth and copy that for our own? Because Sancho was their player a year ago....  That's also a mistake City are much more able to afford than we currently are. Beyond the fact they are much more competitive than us at the moment, they already have a squad full of young top class attacking players while most of ours are over 30..... don't even get me started about the transfer market differences.....

While some people on here will be looking at Foden's minutes as the comparison this season, CHO and his advisers will be looking at Sancho's...... at the minutes he got with City, and then with the minutes he got after he made a move...... and ya, maybe CHO looks at Foden's minutes too, but what do you think he concludes from that?

The logical assumption would be "Yup, gotta move if I want to be a first team regular next season" and that does not bode well for our position in getting CHO to sign an extension unless things change.

 

 

 

 

57 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I agree that there is a bias with Guardiola in the media. 

But like I said, put it into perspective, CHO hasn't had that much more minutes than Foden, and City are challenging for the league. If they were in the Europa League I think it's fair to say Foden would have had more games, especially if they weren't in a title contention also. 

- Sarri isn't playing CHO enough

- The media are biased on the Foden/CHO situation when it comes to Pep vs Sarri

Both can be true at once. 

 

No offense, but this is actually getting ludicrous.  Are we really comparing benching Sane/Sterling/Silva (both) for Foden with benching Pedro/Willian for CHO?   

I mean are we really trying so hard to justify Sarri's decisions that we are really having to compare benching Sane (23 years old) & Sterling (24 years old) who have a combined 41 goals & assists to Willian (30) and Pedro (31) who have a combined 17 goals& assists? 

To take it to taking the piss levels, Sane alone has the same output in 1529 minutes that Willian and Pedro have combined in 3,258 minutes.

That alone explains it, but we haven't even mentioned either of the Silva's (yup, both in double digit goals and assists) or Mahrez (more output than Willian, equal to Pedro, far less minutes than either)...and I'm just going to stop there before I get depressed.

Pep has given Foden only 20 minutes less in the league than CHO has gotten despite that Chelsea only has 1 attacking player currently putting up numbers like half a dozen City players are.....add in that many of those City players are quite young themselves, while our squad desperately needs some younger players added to it.

That is why the bias exists, and it is clearly deserved.  Who really wants to kid themselves otherwise?

Edited March 26, 20197 yr by Barry Bridges

20 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Europa league classes higher than the Premier league, are you having a laugh? CHO should have started every single game, the teams we have played so far would be lucky to be playing in the championship.

Teams not part of the big 6 that reach the Europa League have an awful record. This suggests the quality is better than most of the teams in the PL no?

Burnley 2018/2019 out in qualifying playoffs.

Everton 2017/2018 out in group stage.

Southampton 2016/2017 out in group stage.

West Ham 2016/2017 out in qualifying playoffs.

It carries on like that. I agree CHO needs more minutes but playing in the Europa is nothing to be sniffed at.

Edited March 26, 20197 yr by rtwelch

2 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

Did you watch him last night before he moved to the Left side?

He played on the left for most of the games i saw him play in the youth, he's got a good left footed cross from what i remember.

6 minutes ago, rtwelch said:

Teams not part of the big 6 that reach the Europa League have an awful record. This suggests the quality is better than most of the teams in the PL no?

Burnley 2018/2019 out in qualifying playoffs.

Everton 2017/2018 out in group stage.

Southampton 2016/2017 out in group stage.

West Ham 2016/2017 out in qualifying playoffs.

It carries on like that. I agree CHO needs more minutes but playing in the Europa is nothing to be sniffed at.

Well in all honesty, the clubs we had to play against in the Europa league so far this season are at the level of mid table Championship teams most likely if we see their budgets or value or whatever.

We'll see if Sarri puts CHO to play now when we are at the late stage of the competition, if he doesn't get to play at all, you just know he's not the right person for the club.

14 minutes ago, Barry Bridges said:

 

No offense, but this is actually getting ludicrous.  Are we really comparing benching Sane/Sterling/Silva (both) for Foden with benching Pedro/Willian for CHO?   

I mean are we really trying so hard to justify Sarri's decisions that we are really having to compare benching Sane (23 years old) & Sterling (24 years old) who have a combined 41 goals & assists to Willian (30) and Pedro (31) who have a combined 17 goals& assists? 

To take it to taking the piss levels, Sane alone has the same output in 1529 minutes that Willian and Pedro have combined in 3,258 minutes.

That alone explains it, but we haven't even mentioned either of the Silva's (yup, both in double digit goals and assists) or Mahrez (more output than Willian, equal to Pedro, far less minutes than either)...and I'm just going to stop there before I get depressed.

Pep has given Foden only 20 minutes less in the league than CHO has gotten despite that Chelsea only has 1 attacking player currently putting up numbers like half a dozen City players are.....add in that many of those City players are quite young themselves, while our squad desperately needs some younger players added to it.

That is why the bias exists, and it is clearly deserved.  Who really wants to kid themselves otherwise?

No, I agree with you absolutely. 

People keep pointing out the bias with Guardiola and although that does exist you need to put things into perspective and the comparison is bogus anyway, because Foden actually has similar game time to Cho despite playing in a much more competitive team. I don't see how people bringing that up in defence of Sarri are thinking that it's a good point. 

19 minutes ago, rtwelch said:

Teams not part of the big 6 that reach the Europa League have an awful record. This suggests the quality is better than most of the teams in the PL no?

Burnley 2018/2019 out in qualifying playoffs.

Everton 2017/2018 out in group stage.

Southampton 2016/2017 out in group stage.

West Ham 2016/2017 out in qualifying playoffs.

It carries on like that. I agree CHO needs more minutes but playing in the Europa is nothing to be sniffed at.

Every team we have played in the Europa would be lucky to play in the championship, so no it doesn't have a better quality than the PL. 

My own opinion is why didn't CHO start every single league cup and Europa league game and CHO was probably thinking the same. He was in the squad from the start of the season and probably knew he was backup, these two competitions are for the backup players and if CHO wasnt starting consistently in these two competitions then his just not getting games. He started playing more once the rumoured bids came in and then was back out again after January. 

10 hours ago, Droopy said:

Being direct all the time is just as dumb as not being at all. Hazard knows very well when to slow down and when to go at them. CHO must look at him as great example. If he looks at the ball in his legs all the time, trying to open space for shoot/cross he will: A) get exhausted in 25 minutes; B) get predictable. 

it was not a slight on hazard but at times I do think he slows the game down too much when he doesn’t have to.

 

As for being predictable, everyone knows Robben is going to run at them and go on his left foot, yet he’s been a terrific footballer for 10/15 years. If you’re fast enough and skilful enough, it’s one thing to predict what they’ll do, it’s another thing completely to stop them. Same when you look at Ronaldo etc.

 

Different types of play of course, but as i said in my original point - Hazard is prone to slowing the game down.

Edited March 26, 20197 yr by EdinburghBlue

9 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Not sure about that, Robben seems to have made a pretty good career out of being direct at all times.

Just seen this, wasted my time writing the previous post now 

Sometimes yer gut can read a young players potential/ ability. Every time CHO Plays he looks tasty on the attack, especially cutting in from the left. He splits opinion on here, some say he's not ready and Sarri is doing ok handling him, others like me say he is ready to start a prem game - like the next one. I doubt even after impressing on his England debuts (sub then full) Sarri wont utilise him fully, if the transfer ban is somehow lifted he'll likely be off in the summer along with that Berk Sarri and well be left with Willy & Pedro (not slagging them just think at 18 CHO has bags more potential and hes an academy product - a rare thing indeed). 

Edited March 26, 20197 yr by General

1 minute ago, General said:

Sometimes yer gut can read a young players potential/ ability. Every time CHO Plays he looks tasty on the attack, especially cutting in from the left. je splits opinion on here, some say hes not ready and Sarri is doing ok, others like me say he Fing is ready, when I saterted on the terraces Butch Wilkins was captain at 18. Age is a number that's all.  I doubt even after impressing on his England debuts (sub then full) Sarri wont utilise him fully, he'll be off in the summer along with that Berk Sarri and well be left with Willy & Pedro (not slagging them just think at 18 CHO has bags more potential and hes an academy product - a rare thing indeed)

That is where Hazard plays...........

2 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

 

No offense, but this is actually getting ludicrous.  Are we really comparing benching Sane/Sterling/Silva (both) for Foden with benching Pedro/Willian for CHO?   

I mean are we really trying so hard to justify Sarri's decisions that we are really having to compare benching Sane (23 years old) & Sterling (24 years old) who have a combined 41 goals & assists to Willian (30) and Pedro (31) who have a combined 17 goals& assists? 

To take it to taking the piss levels, Sane alone has the same output in 1529 minutes that Willian and Pedro have combined in 3,258 minutes.

That alone explains it, but we haven't even mentioned either of the Silva's (yup, both in double digit goals and assists) or Mahrez (more output than Willian, equal to Pedro, far less minutes than either)...and I'm just going to stop there before I get depressed.

Pep has given Foden only 20 minutes less in the league than CHO has gotten despite that Chelsea only has 1 attacking player currently putting up numbers like half a dozen City players are.....add in that many of those City players are quite young themselves, while our squad desperately needs some younger players added to it.

That is why the bias exists, and it is clearly deserved.  Who really wants to kid themselves otherwise?

Well it's not just this occasion is it?

The year before last Conte and the club were criticised for not playing Chalobah and Loftus despite the fact we were walking away with the league with Matic, Cesc and Kante sharing the roles at CM and by in large playing well throughout the season and was also criticised for not playing Ake despite the top form of the first choice back three.

Ancelotti was criticised for not playing Kakuta and then selling Stoch despite the fact they had one of the most potent attacks in PL history Infront of them.

Jose was critised for not playing Loftus and Baker when he had Matic and Cesc in the form of their lives.

So yes the media have slated us before for not playing youngsters despite bonafide world class players being in their way and I have no doubt they would try and paint us as villians in the situation of Odoi even if Messi, CR7 and Mbappe were the three wingers Infront of him.

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

Well it's not just this occasion is it?

The year before last Conte and the club were criticised for not playing Chalobah and Loftus despite the fact we were walking away with the league with Matic, Cesc and Kante sharing the roles at CM and by in large playing well throughout the season and was also criticised for not playing Ake despite the top form of the first choice back three.

Ancelotti was criticised for not playing Kakuta and then selling Stoch despite the fact they had one of the most potent attacks in PL history Infront of them.

Jose was critised for not playing Loftus and Baker when he had Matic and Cesc in the form of their lives.

So yes the media have slated us before for not playing youngsters despite bonafide world class players being in their way and I have no doubt they would try and paint us as villians in the situation of Odoi even if Messi, CR7 and Mbappe were the three wingers Infront of him.

Good points, but I think the difference here is that William & Pedro are not world class at this point in time, and the team arguably looks at least (if not more) threatening when CHO & RLC are on the pitch.  The  reason this is getting so much attention is that he has done well at National level which gets national attention.  Combined with the media's overall enjoyment of poking Chelsea whenever possible, and the coverage is over the top.  

17 hours ago, rtwelch said:

Teams not part of the big 6 that reach the Europa League have an awful record. This suggests the quality is better than most of the teams in the PL no?

Burnley 2018/2019 out in qualifying playoffs.

Everton 2017/2018 out in group stage.

Southampton 2016/2017 out in group stage.

West Ham 2016/2017 out in qualifying playoffs.

It carries on like that. I agree CHO needs more minutes but playing in the Europa is nothing to be sniffed at.

Thanks for posting this. The Europa League isn't an easy competition, we've made it look easy this year because we've played very well in the competition so far. We have so many negative fans on here who'd rather slate the opposition than congratulate their own team (I think it's because they really hate Sarri).

If the Europa League was that easy, you'd have seen the likes of Everton, West Ham & Southampton perform a lot better in the competition.

You'd think West Ham would be very well-suited to low standard European trips considering they already have a fleet of caravans at the ready. 

51 minutes ago, DannyVblue said:

Thanks for posting this. The Europa League isn't an easy competition, we've made it look easy this year because we've played very well in the competition so far. We have so many negative fans on here who'd rather slate the opposition than congratulate their own team (I think it's because they really hate Sarri).

If the Europa League was that easy, you'd have seen the likes of Everton, West Ham & Southampton perform a lot better in the competition.

The bit in bold is important. We could win 5-0 and people would still find away to discredit Sarri. 

18 hours ago, rtwelch said:

Teams not part of the big 6 that reach the Europa League have an awful record. This suggests the quality is better than most of the teams in the PL no?

Burnley 2018/2019 out in qualifying playoffs.

Everton 2017/2018 out in group stage.

Southampton 2016/2017 out in group stage.

West Ham 2016/2017 out in qualifying playoffs.

It carries on like that. I agree CHO needs more minutes but playing in the Europa is nothing to be sniffed at.

Not really. There are some very good teams in the Europa and even more when teams get added after failing in the CL. But there is also a lot of dross.

Think you'll find that list of four PL teams all played weakened sides in the Europa as they always put stronger sides out in PL. Some sides are fearful of dropping into a relegation battle and soome just want to finish as high up the PL as possible for the prize money. Unless teams feel they have a realistic chance of winning the Europa (like us and Arsenal), they clearly see Thursday night football as an inconvenience.

 

11 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The bit in bold is important. We could win 5-0 and people would still find away to discredit Sarri. 

Some might but the majority will give credit where credit's due.

He's got plenty of credit this season, especially early on and the unbeaten run. But he will get criticized (and rightly so) when results AND performances are poor but he does little to change things.

35 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Some might but the majority will give credit where credit's due.

He's got plenty of credit this season, especially early on and the unbeaten run. But he will get criticized (and rightly so) when results AND performances are poor but he does little to change things.

Its not too bad on here but on twitter certain fans will go to any lengths to discredit Sarri. That Rory Jennings bloke being the worst for it.

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Its not too bad on here but on twitter certain fans will go to any lengths to discredit Sarri. That Rory Jennings bloke being the worst for it.

Yeah, to be fair I have seen some real assassination jobs on Twitter!!

 

14 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Yeah, to be fair I have seen some real assassination jobs on Twitter!!

 

That Twitter mob is one of the reasons I went looking for more intelligent conversation and found this forum.  The Twitter people are just brutal...…..

2 hours ago, DannyVblue said:

Thanks for posting this. The Europa League isn't an easy competition, we've made it look easy this year because we've played very well in the competition so far. We have so many negative fans on here who'd rather slate the opposition than congratulate their own team (I think it's because they really hate Sarri).

If the Europa League was that easy, you'd have seen the likes of Everton, West Ham & Southampton perform a lot better in the competition.

The Europa league has some good teams and isn't an easy competition once you get to the later stages but theres no denying Chelsea's opposition has been of low quality. It's not being negative but a fact, the initial point anyway was that the quality of teams Chelsea has played in the Europa would allow CHO to start every single game which he hasn't and that's disappointing.