Nothing to see here. If it's a visa issue then it is easily resolved with his access to cash. Entrepreneurial visa is easy as abc and like someone said earlier, his number of years in the country and investment on that visa category will most likely enable him to apply for permanent residency via the Indefinite Leave to Remain route.

If politically motivated, it will be resolved as well as the UK has to be very careful with how they go about excluding people from getting a visa approved, especially in the light of Windrush which is only a fraction of the unbelievably unfair and downright immoral actions of policies put in place by Theresa when she was Home Sec.

Except they apply a blanket decision they can't cherry pick who they exclude without facing a possible legal challenge and for someone with the financial resources, it will always be a dangerous game to play.

 

9 hours ago, Kentonio said:

And how about Litvinenko? Do we think that was the UK too? Let's be serious, the Russian government have been murdering dissidents both in Russia and abroad for many years now.

I do agree that we shouldn't just blindly trust the UK government by the way, but let's not fall into the trap of thinking the two are equivilent.

As for Roman, I've never seen anything that suggests he's done anything wrong in the UK, but considering the financial dealings Russia have in London, its just probably wise to sit back and see what happens. Obviously I want him to be completely exonerated, he's done incredible things for my club and I'm grateful for them.

You are right, the two aren't equivalent. British government actually supported politically and militarily Iraq invasion which was done under false pretenses and resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destabilization of the whole region and the rise of the most dangerous terrorist organization in history. That alone dwarfs whatever Putin has done during his whole reign.

I have no illusions in regards of Putin and his regime but there are no good guys in politics, England is no exception.

Surely Roman knew about the visa or his staff did and should have been sorted ages ago as Roman does not miss games like that. If the government are playing games then half of east London are getting kicked out as well or is it just the rich ones? The plumbers and builders can stay?

17 minutes ago, romfordblue said:

Surely Roman knew about the visa or his staff did and should have been sorted ages ago as Roman does not miss games like that. If the government are playing games then half of east London are getting kicked out as well or is it just the rich ones? The plumbers and builders can stay?

Depends, my reading suggests he is now on Trump's list of targeted Russians. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/21/roman-abramovich-told-explain-acquired-wealth-gets-new-uk-visa/

17 minutes ago, mojo said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/21/roman-abramovich-told-explain-acquired-wealth-gets-new-uk-visa/

Well just like I thought it's just harrassing him, funny how they didn't do that back in 2003 

13 hours ago, abramovich said:

You are right, the two aren't equivalent. British government actually supported politically and militarily Iraq invasion which was done under false pretenses and resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destabilization of the whole region and the rise of the most dangerous terrorist organization in history. That alone dwarfs whatever Putin has done during his whole reign.

I have no illusions in regards of Putin and his regime but there are no good guys in politics, England is no exception.

No England is no exception but if I had to make a judgement I would fall on the side of England.

They can't renew a businessman's visa who has invested millions upon millions of pounds into the UK, but they will happily let daesh members, who have maimed and raped in the middle east, back into the country without so much as a second thought. 

He only has to prove £2million of his investment in england is legitimate, so consdering he is worth £9 billion, you wouldn't have thought it would be an issue.

The Russian oligarchs have made their money within russian law at the time, even if it wasn't in the best interests of the Russian people. I think this is just Britain trying to show support to the US without losing heavy Russian investment. 

I think roman will no doubt get his visa in the end.

24 minutes ago, big blue said:

He only has to prove £2million of his investment in england is legitimate, so consdering he is worth £9 billion, you wouldn't have thought it would be an issue.

The Russian oligarchs have made their money within russian law at the time, even if it wasn't in the best interests of the Russian people. I think this is just Britain trying to show support to the US without losing heavy Russian investment. 

I think roman will no doubt get his visa in the end.

Considering some of the rhetoric of our government/media towards Russia I'd say it's Britain that needs US support lol

Edited May 22, 20188 yr by the special one

No doubt our rivals are salivating at the thought of Roman leaving, they have been waiting since 2003 for this, and it just wont happen :)

Noticed that Tass is reporting that an Israeli daily is asserting that Roman is now seeking Israeli citizenship - presumably dual.

http://tass.com/economy/1005924

On 21/05/2018 at 16:07, mwblue10 said:

Am I missing something here, does he need a visa to visit the country?  I’m not too well versed on travel regulations but can you not visit a country for, say, 90 days or something, then leave and come back and do it again?

Assuming Roman doesnt have any other nationality other than Russian, the answer is no....and yes. But mostly No.

1) Visa nationals (people from countries whose nationals require a visa to enter the UK), are required to hold a visa or entry clearance before travel to the UK. They would not be allowed entry to the UK otherwise. Non visa nationals (USA, Canadians and more....) are able to come to the UK as a tourist for 180 days WITHOUT prior permission ( a visit visa). They would however have to satisfy the immigration officer on arrival in the UK that they meet the immigration rules as a visitor. essentially, not intending to work, get recourse to public funds etc etc....

NOTE: Some Visa nationals CAN transit the UK without a visa if they meet certain criteria (example. an onward ticket to USA, AUS, or a shengen country, to where they hold permission to enter - such as a residence visa or green card)

2) Roman would have had (i am assuming) entry clearance to enter the UK as either an investor or entrepreneur. Reports are that this expired and he is seeking to renew in Russia. How it got to the stage of expiry (if true) without being renewed in the UK is unclear.

3) if the visa HAD expired, and he remained in the UK for less than 90 days after the expiry, then there would likely be no penalty or consequence. If the visa or entry clearance expired more than 3 months before he left the UK, then he has problems. This carries a "ban" period under paragraph 320 (7b) of the UK immigration rules.

4) if it is a simple renewal, (i.e he left before it expired) then there should be no problems. he might have to show evidence of origin of funds, but this is routine. 

Immigration rules are fairly complex....and this is just a rudimentary overview for info.... in reality there are hundreds of loopholes and exceptions/exemptions from the rules. One thing is fairly sure....

a) IF Roman has been a good boy whilst in the UK (hasnt broken any immigration rules, uk law AND has complied with the conditions of his visa), and

B) IF he can show evidence where his funds come from, and

c) IF he has a clean record from the past (i.e something that would not mean that his exclusion from the UK was for the publics good) -

then he will not have any problems getting a UK visa/entry clearance.

If he cant demonstrate A,B or C...then he may have

Edited May 24, 20188 yr by nonotnowjim

34 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Assuming Roman doesnt have any other nationality other than Russian, the answer is no....and yes. But mostly No.

1) Visa nationals (people from countries whose nationals require a visa to enter the UK), are required to hold a visa or entry clearance before travel to the UK. They would not be allowed entry to the UK otherwise. Non visa nationals (USA, Canadians and more....) are able to come to the UK as a tourist for 180 days WITHOUT prior permission ( a visit visa). They would however have to satisfy the immigration officer on arrival in the UK that they meet the immigration rules as a visitor. essentially, not intending to work, get recourse to public funds etc etc....

NOTE: Some Visa nationals CAN transit the UK without a visa if they meet certain criteria (example. an onward ticket to USA, AUS, or a shengen country, to where they hold permission to enter - such as a residence visa or green card)

2) Roman would have had (i am assuming) entry clearance to enter the UK as either an investor or entrepreneur. Reports are that this expired and he is seeking to renew in Russia. How it got to the stage of expiry (if true) without being renewed in the UK is unclear.

3) if the visa HAD expired, and he remained in the UK for less than 90 days after the expiry, then there would likely be no penalty or consequence. If the visa or entry clearance expired more than 3 months before he left the UK, then he has problems. This carries a "ban" period under paragraph 320 (7b) of the UK immigration rules.

4) if it is a simple renewal, (i.e he left before it expired) then there should be no problems. he might have to show evidence of origin of funds, but this is routine. 

Immigration rules are fairly complex....and this is just a rudimentary overview for info.... in reality there are hundreds of loopholes and exceptions/exemptions from the rules. One thing is fairly sure....

a) IF Roman has been a good boy whilst in the UK (hasnt broken any immigration rules, uk law AND has complied with the conditions of his visa), and

B) IF he can show evidence where his funds come from, and

c) IF he has a clean record from the past (i.e something that would not mean that his exclusion from the UK was for the publics good) -

then he will not have any problems getting a UK visa/entry clearance.

If he cant demonstrate A,B or C...then he may have

Thank you for clarifying, and I appreciate the detail.  Very helpful!

Wiki states that Roman is resident in Tel Aviv and that he has dual nationality, Russian/Israeli.

1 hour ago, mez said:

Wiki states that Roman is resident in Tel Aviv and that he has dual nationality, Russian/Israeli.

That doesn't change the need for him to meet the uk immigration rules.

If he has Israeli nationality, it would mean he could enter the UK as a tourist for 6 months without a visa. But as we know, that isnt the case. He isnt a tourist here. He has a business and therefore would not qualify for entry to the UK as a visitor

Edited May 26, 20188 yr by nonotnowjim

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/28/roman-abramovich-granted-israeli-citizenship-tel-aviv-chelsea?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_WhatsApp

On 26/05/2018 at 10:55, nonotnowjim said:

That doesn't change the need for him to meet the uk immigration rules.

If he has Israeli nationality, it would mean he could enter the UK as a tourist for 6 months without a visa. But as we know, that isnt the case. He isnt a tourist here. He has a business and therefore would not qualify for entry to the UK as a visitor

I'm no expert on the subject but I would have thought if he has a business but doesn't strictly work here (he has others working for him) he still qualifies as a visitor? Idk

Edited May 28, 20188 yr by the special one

That probably explains a fair bit about the ongoing Conte-Sarri saga.

Unfortunately.

Perhaps Roman wants Conte to stay on here and look after his business interests which is why he hasn't sacked him yet....

If Conte stays I see Hazard and a number of others going and season ticket sales will fall and RA won't be able to sell his business any time soon.

2 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

If Conte stays I see Hazard and a number of others going and season ticket sales will fall and RA won't be able to sell his business any time soon.

In that case it looks like Chelsea must go down for the greater good of someone else.
Best player leaves, owner can't sell and doesn't want to invest anymore since he's a persona non grata...Soon enough we won't have to worry about being a contender for the title but we'll be fighting for survival in the league. Somehow it still doesn't sound that bad since with no pressure to win silverware we can still be happy when we beat QPR or Fulham 

13 hours ago, Lord said:

That probably explains a fair bit about the ongoing Conte-Sarri saga.

Unfortunately.

I doubt him not being present in the country would affect the club business. It's not like he has to conduct deals personally.

Well also both Conte and Sarri are likely in Italy so he would be able to speak to both just fine. 

Seems to me the delays are largely around negotiating with Napoli and Conte around fees. Not something Roman would be involved in deeply. 

12 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

If Conte stays I see Hazard and a number of others going and season ticket sales will fall and RA won't be able to sell his business any time soon.

Thats not going to happen at all