I for one look forward to welcoming 70s porn star Ed De Goey back as Chelsea goalkeeper for the forthcoming season. 

Mundo deportivo saying we're going to trigger Oblak's release clause.

I'll have some of what they're smoking, seems great stuff. 

38 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Mundo deportivo saying we're going to trigger Oblak's release clause.

I'll have some of what they're smoking, seems great stuff. 

Don't see why we can't send Courtois back there to Atletico - it's in Madrid where is family are right? That way we can just do a swap deal with Oblak, would suit both parties and I don't see either team being left in a negative position from that swap. Also sticks two fingers up to Real Madrid.

21 minutes ago, AlwaysRight said:

Don't see why we can't send Courtois back there to Atletico - it's in Madrid where is family are right? That way we can just do a swap deal with Oblak, would suit both parties and I don't see either team being left in a negative position from that swap. Also sticks two fingers up to Real Madrid.

How would it suit Oblak, to move from a side regularly challenging for top trophies to one where we havne't even qualified for the CL 3 times out of the last 6 years.

20 minutes ago, AlwaysRight said:

Don't see why we can't send Courtois back there to Atletico - it's in Madrid where is family are right? That way we can just do a swap deal with Oblak, would suit both parties and I don't see either team being left in a negative position from that swap. Also sticks two fingers up to Real Madrid.

Oblak isn't going to be valued the same as Courtois.

This is what happens with Marina in charge. She failed to seal the Allison deal, the only realistic high quality keeper available, and now she's scrabbling about with three days to go for Butland.
Really, how she's still in a job is beyond me.
 

We said that about Emanalo and it appears he wasn't the issue. Maybe it's the man at the very top...

Goalkeepers are hard to pick I reckon very hard to see whether making saves at a smaller club translates to a bigger one. You have less saves but you're expected to make harder ones too. Other factors like dominating your box and distribution are more important.

I've honestly got no idea whether he would make the grade here or not.

Surely Navas would be a better fit and available?

I'm in the Kepa the keeper camp, but that's probably way too expensive. Butland wouldn't really suit Sarri's style and I'm already envisioning the fan meltdown he'll face when he inevitably makes his first major mistake. 

Butland would give us the option to add another non-homegrown player to the squad potentially. That could be a factor

Butland is sh*te at distributing...hell he's sh*te at most things...his HG status doesn't really save him from the fact he isn't that good...did you see his first performance this season for Stoke? 

13 hours ago, dan_cfc said:

No thanks, absolute donkey of a keeper.

I'd go for Schmiechel or Donnuruma

Personally I think Donnuruma is all hype. You call Butland a donkey and name a keeper that had a poor season last year. Most people haven’t watched him yet on a forum and he’s a world beater. He’s on massively high wages and is one of the best payed goalkeepers in the world. People talk about a risk with Butland well he’s twice the risked he is. 

Butland is a good solid goalkeeper and would be a clever signing by Chelsea. Before the World Cup it was a toss of a coin between him and Pickford and how much would Pickford be now 60M+

He does have upside, but this still smacks of a desperate last-ditch signing from a club that has failed to scout properly in anticipation of Courtois' possible departure. 

For example, Sarri likes his goalkeepers to distribute efficiently, but that is IMO the weakest aspect of Butland's game. The guy is a classic shot-stopper - and I'm not sure he'd be comfortable with a higher defensive line either because he's not that quick. 

Names such as Oblak, Pope, Kepa and Donnaruma have been bandied about in this thread. Of these three Oblak is definitely the best goalkeeper, but Kepa is the better distributor and has the potential to be as good as Oblak IMO. Donnaruma is a phenomenal shot-stopper and he is faster than Butland, but like Butland his distribution is nothing to write home about and his attitude is apparently indifferent. Pope has done well for Burnley in front of a relatively deep defensive line because he is excellent at positioning himself and anticipating where shots will be placed. IMO he is not a particularly good distributor, nor is he particularly quick. 

Should Kepa/Oblak be unattainable, for the high-line, possession-oriented style Sarri wants us to play the likes of Yann Sommer and (at a push) Mat Ryan would be reasonable purchases. Both are reasonably quick, excellent distributors and pretty good shot-stoppers. Sommer is the better keeper of the two and is more likely to be available owing to Germany's longer transfer window, but Ryan has a higher upside and has a good throw. 

 

13 minutes ago, DaRick said:

He does have upside, but this still smacks of a desperate last-ditch signing from a club that has failed to scout properly in anticipation of Courtois' possible departure. 

For example, Sarri likes his goalkeepers to distribute efficiently, but that is IMO the weakest aspect of Butland's game. The guy is a classic shot-stopper - and I'm not sure he'd be comfortable with a higher defensive line either because he's not that quick. 

Names such as Oblak, Pope, Kepa and Donnaruma have been bandied about in this thread. Of these three Oblak is definitely the best goalkeeper, but Kepa is the better distributor and has the potential to be as good as Oblak IMO. Donnaruma is a phenomenal shot-stopper and he is faster than Butland, but like Butland his distribution is nothing to write home about and his attitude is apparently indifferent. Pope has done well for Burnley in front of a relatively deep defensive line because he is excellent at positioning himself and anticipating where shots will be placed. IMO he is not a particularly good distributor, nor is he particularly quick. 

Should Kepa/Oblak be unattainable, for the high-line, possession-oriented style Sarri wants us to play the likes of Yann Sommer and (at a push) Mat Ryan would be reasonable purchases. Both are reasonably quick, excellent distributors and pretty good shot-stoppers. Sommer is the better keeper of the two and is more likely to be available owing to Germany's longer transfer window, but Ryan has a higher upside and has a good throw. 

 

Agree with your points, just missing Strakhosa from Lazio who at 23 will be an ideal long term solution. Brilliant distributor of the ball, ideal for Sarri’s style and would cost max £35m even this late in our window.

2 hours ago, ducavis said:

Agree with your points, just missing Strakhosa from Lazio who at 23 will be an ideal long term solution. Brilliant distributor of the ball, ideal for Sarri’s style and would cost max £35m even this late in our window.

Good call, but Lotito is a pain to deal with apparently. 

One other name I missed is Schmeichel, who is pretty good at distributing the ball. That said, he is probably at the age where he will begin to slow down and like Ryan we would have been better off to go for him earlier in the window. 

Navas for mine is a brilliant shot-stopper, but his distribution isn't great and for mine he lacks the all-round skillset that would persuade me to overlook that fact (unlike Oblak). At best he would be a stopgap and apparently he's not that interested in leaving Real Madrid even if Courtois arrives. 

Pepe Reina has been mentioned, but I would be completely underwhelmed with his signing, not least because he's 36 and has come off a poor season. 

Hasn't Reina already signed for Milan?

Ability should be the primary concern, Courtois leaving will free up a non-HG slot. Admittedly I think we've already got the max 17 non-HG first team players (I'm discounting Piazon who will surely be off on another loan), so getting Butland would open the door for an outfield non-HG signing. But that shouldn't be the deciding factor here.

3 hours ago, Ashleyb66 said:

Personally I think Donnuruma is all hype. You call Butland a donkey and name a keeper that had a poor season last year. Most people haven’t watched him yet on a forum and he’s a world beater. He’s on massively high wages and is one of the best payed goalkeepers in the world. People talk about a risk with Butland well he’s twice the risked he is. 

I have seen Donnaruma maybe 4 or 5 times and cannot see what the hype is about. Hes young and a decent shot stopper. Thats it. He has distribution ability to speak of, terrible command of area and puts the ball back into dangerous spaces 8/10 times. Allthough Im not a fan, I would much rather have Butland

38 minutes ago, Charles Ryder said:

Hasn't Reina already signed for Milan?

Yeah but we've been linked to him in this window for whatever reason. 

 

 

We can all find videos of keepers making big mistakes, even Courtois has had a load of them in his time with us, just look how often he get's beaten at his near post. The problem is when those big mistakes happen often, and it's not like Butland is making 5 or 6 of these mistakes a season.

Even he wasn't English, would we even be considering a goalkeeper of Butland's level?

He showed a lot of promise a few year ago but he's stagnated and not progressed. 

He is really good enough for a team of our ambition? 

6 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

We can all find videos of keepers making big mistakes, even Courtois has had a load of them in his time with us, just look how often he get's beaten at his near post. The problem is when those big mistakes happen often, and it's not like Butland is making 5 or 6 of these mistakes a season.

Exactly this, if we are to not sign a keeper because they have made a mistake we simply wont sign a keeper ever. Even De Gea, the supposed best keeper around made a few at the world cup.

Donnuruma is a starter for Italy at 19, only gonna get better.

Apperently we could be in for Sergio Rico, can't say I know much about him.

Edited August 7, 20187 yr by dan_cfc

9 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

We can all find videos of keepers making big mistakes, even Courtois has had a load of them in his time with us, just look how often he get's beaten at his near post. The problem is when those big mistakes happen often, and it's not like Butland is making 5 or 6 of these mistakes a season.

 

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

Exactly this, if we are to not sign a keeper because they have made a mistake we simply wont sign a keeper ever. Even De Gea, the supposed best keeper around made a few at the world cup.

All keepers make mistakes but i can't ever remember Butland having a fantastic performance that saves his team. De Gea will make a mistake but save his team 4 or 5 times more than that a season. Realistically, is Butland ever going to do that? Doubt it.