4 hours ago, enigma said:

The problem is, Zaha won't get the space to perform as he does at Palace. Teams will set up differently against us, so if Zaha doesn't have the space, he may well be a waste. I would personally go for Timo Werner if we are looking at a forward. Not sure how much he would cost from RB Leipzig, but his goal and assist stats are really good. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=timo+werner+stats&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB818GB818&oq=timo+&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j0l4j69i61.1869j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Above link is the google search for his stats. The past four seasons he has been consistently effective. 

Big fan of Werner but I will be shocked if he ends up here. He plays primarily as a No 9 and can play wide left, makes no sense coming here when we already have a No 9 and can’t see him going to a team unless he is a guaranteed starter as he is Germany’s No 9.

Zaha can play LW/RW and CF which is important as it won't stunt Tammy's growth.

I'm in favour for this transfer as long as it's not above 65m.

28 minutes ago, JMaher94 said:

Zaha can play LW/RW and CF which is important as it won't stunt Tammy's growth.

I'm in favour for this transfer as long as it's not above 65m.

Do we really need another out and out winger if there's a possibility we could sign Sancho?

I'd be in favour of an Anelka type signing (a CF who can play wide), at least until the summer window. Gerard at Villarreal would likely cost ~£40m or Werner has a reported release clause of £30m?

4 minutes ago, the special one said:

Do we really need another out and out winger if there's a possibility we could sign Sancho?

I'd be in favour of an Anelka type signing (a CF who can play wide), at least until the summer window. Gerard at Villarreal would likely cost ~£40m or Werner has a reported release clause of £30m?

No, the point is that, Zaha will probably be in addition to Jadon Sancho.

44 minutes ago, JMaher94 said:

No, the point is that, Zaha will probably be in addition to Jadon Sancho.

So, CHO/Pulisic/Sancho/Zaha?

4 out and out wingers? Sounds like a recipe for a predictable offence to me but just imho (i.e. if you know the oppo only have out and out wingers it's easier to prepare a team to defend against)

Edited December 11, 20196 yr by the special one

I'd rather have Charlie Cooke back than have Zaha, and dear old Charlie is 77 now !

Don't want that diving, moaning chancer at Chelsea.

12 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Are there better plays than Zaha and Ake in their respective positions? Absolute, they are not even among the best in the league never mind Europe.

It is very difficult to get quality, real quality, in the January market now. Sure you can point to VVD, but he forced his move from the Saints so unless someone like that does the same for us the best players will most likely be out of reach. You hope to get the Cahill's and Anelka's of this world. Sometimes they work out really good.

Not that I'm saying Zaha will become as good in his position if/when he steps up to a big club but wasn't the VVD thread on here meet with equal scepticism? I remember the rumours appeared that we were prepared to sacrifice Christensen for him and pretty much everyone was universally outraged at the mere thought of it, how times have changed!

Also interestingly VVD (like Zaha) bombed in his last six months at said smaller club before moving, I remember he was dropped for a game against us because he made an absolute bellend of himself against Leicester a few days before.

I think part of the reason we're going for him is firstly we have a long term plan on the wings with Pulisic, Odoi and possibly Sancho so balancing it out with a more shorter term option isn't a bad thing (for perspective when he's 31 and slowing down those lads will be 23/24 and ready to explode into their primes). Secondly (i think this is the deal breaker if he does come) he can double up a striker, I think people underestimate just how big an issue it will be signing another out and out striker of any real substance now Tammy's established, look at Spurs since Kane has been in for example, best they've managed to attract in 5 years is Llorente, City managed to get Jesus but that was only because initially Pep was actually planning on phasing out Aguero. Anyone who comes very likely won't be that big upgrades on Bats and Oli if atall and as the West Ham and Valencia games shown we need a decent alternative. Despite his not so great goal record Wilf is actually pretty good up front arguably better than he is on the wing and our best bet of finding a good Tammy alternative is to find a player who can play both.

It looks increasingly likely that this will happen. I think it would be a terrible idea at 80 million.

Liverpool are about to sign Minamino from Red Bull for a tenth of that and he'd be a much better fit for us.

6 hours ago, Argo said:

Also interestingly VVD (like Zaha) bombed in his last six months at said smaller club

Also interestingly, Zaha bombed in his only stint at a "top club".  He really f**ked up big time there, didn't he?

 

Just a divier, whinier Walcott, in my view.

Ancelotti 2010/11 > Lampard 20/21?

           Belletti (Kante) - Essien (Jorginho) - Lampard (Kovacic)
          Anelka (Gerard) - Drogba (Abraham) - Malouda (Pulisic)

Odds on Gerard to score at the Kop End?

Edited December 12, 20196 yr by the special one

I don't get the analogy people are drawing with Van Dijk. Apparently, the fact that many were opposed to signing Van Dijk who subsequently proved successful at Liverpool is an argument to sign Zaha, because his qualities are doubted just as much. Okay...

id rather bring back boga for £5m and wait until the summer. 

 

49 minutes ago, the special one said:

Ancelotti 2010/11 > Lampard 20/21?

           Belletti (Kante) - Essien (Jorginho) - Lampard (Kovacic)
          Anelka (Gerard) - Drogba (Abraham) - Malouda (Pulisic)

Odds on Gerard to score at the Kop End?

Think you must be gerard's agent.?

50 minutes ago, Valerie said:

I don't get the analogy people are drawing with Van Dijk. Apparently, the fact that many were opposed to signing Van Dijk who subsequently proved successful at Liverpool is an argument to sign Zaha, because his qualities are doubted just as much. Okay...

I never said it's an argument for, just that it equally shouldn't be one against.

Edited December 12, 20196 yr by Argo

2 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Also interestingly, Zaha bombed in his only stint at a "top club".  He really f**ked up big time there, didn't he?

 

Just a divier, whinier Walcott, in my view.

Not saying we should sign Zaha but tbf he was 21 and playing under David Moyes at Utd. Think any young kid would have f**ked up there at that time.

3 hours ago, Sindre said:

Liverpool are about to sign Minamino from Red Bull for a tenth of that and he'd be a much better fit for us.

100%

If Frank wastes 60-80 million on Zaha then I don't trust his judgement. We need goalscorers not moany divers who can't do it at the top level.

19 minutes ago, Luca Vialli said:

100%

If Frank wastes 60-80 million on Zaha then I don't trust his judgement. We need goalscorers not moany divers who can't do it at the top level.

When has Minamino done it at the top level?

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

When has Minamino done it at the top level?

Isn't it obvious that because Van Dijk is doing well at Liverpool, every player they're rumoured to sign is just as marvellous?

31 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

When has Minamino done it at the top level?

If we signed him for that price after no summer signings the Marina's the devil incarnate crew would be the first to slam us for penny pinching and not backing managers on "proper" targets.

17 minutes ago, Argo said:

If we signed him for that price after no summer signings the Marina's the devil incarnate crew would be the first to slam us for penny pinching and not backing managers on "proper" targets.

Not if we signed him in Jan to keep our powder dry for the summer. Top talents are hardly going to move in Jan, and we shouldn’t make big signings just for the sake of signing players.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Not saying we should sign Zaha but tbf he was 21 and playing under David Moyes at Utd. Think any young kid would have f**ked up there at that time.

But Debruyne at a similar age and playing pants should have been given a first team place and time, is that right?

9 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

But Debruyne at a similar age and playing pants should have been given a first team place and time, is that right?

Not really the same. 14/15 Chelsea and 13/14 Utd are two very different teams and environments. 

2 hours ago, big blue said:

Think you must be gerard's agent.?

I'm also trying to promote another of my clients, Bertrand Traore. ?

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Not really the same. 14/15 Chelsea and 13/14 Utd are two very different teams and environments. 

Don't see why, he was let go by United - hasn't really done anything great ever since  - bets we stay well clear