You had a good thing going until the winter transfer window.

Yes, the results just before and after the World Cup were dire, but players like Chalobah, Gallagher, Hall (who I personally thought was absolutely brilliant) and Broja... they were groing into becoming important players. Mercenaries like Sterling and Aubameyang were on the bench. The transition into that was never going to be beautiful but it was happening. They were working like animals. Probably every kiddo in your academy thought "oh yeah, look, we have a club and a coach who will give us a pathway to play for the first team".

But yeah results were poor (strangely these previous back-up players failed to become core key players within a few months) so you obviously "had" to buy a new set of players who were either going to play or the coaching team would get sacked.

As a club, you've always prioritised today while having the best academy in your country. Mourinho, Ancelotti, Tuchel etc. are all managers who quite clearly prefer to use experienced players, which is obviously a quick way to get results over a couple of years but not great if you want to build a dynasty. Boehly wanted something different and brought in Potter who is known to have a very specific and time-demanding method to build physically and psychologically strong teams. I've followed his career for almost ten years and if you want results within a year, you're better off with another manager.

Its all very amateurish.. and funny.

There is no direction. No vision. No "long-term" project. This guy is just straight up lying to you.

Look at how the other McDonalds-clubs did it: Manchester City owners knew they didn't know f**k all about football so they brought in the entire Barcelona gang (CEO, DOF and manager) while sending pay-checks from their corner in the desert. No involvement. Newcastle owners also knew they didn't have a f**king club about football and left the decisions to people who do. Sure, they pop up at St James Park once in a while, but other than that they sit in the background and let people with proven experience do the job. Boehly? All over the f**king place. In the training ground, on Twitter, in front of the cameras, in the stands. National League stuff.

Boehly schizophrenic ADHD-management of your club will most likely be the source of great research in the future, as the finest example of how not to run a football club. 

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22052206/chelsea-todd-boehly-row-fans-boo/

33 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Any chance we can force them to sell to Sir Jim or Qatar anytime soon? 

Emptying Stamford Bridge.

Modicum of sympathy. Good intentions and ginormous outlay for players who don’t appear to be capable of gelling / and or were plain overrated in the first place: Footballers are like second hand cars, you don’t really know what you’re getting.)

Not as if they’ve deliberately raped the club for their own financial game such as The Glazers. ( Time will tell)

Guess we’ll have to just wait and see...

 

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, Ibby_786 said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22052206/chelsea-todd-boehly-row-fans-boo/

Probably need a good row to sort sh*t out. 

39 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

You had a good thing going until the winter transfer window.

Yes, the results just before and after the World Cup were dire, but players like Chalobah, Gallagher, Hall (who I personally thought was absolutely brilliant) and Broja... they were groing into becoming important players. Mercenaries like Sterling and Aubameyang were on the bench. The transition into that was never going to be beautiful but it was happening. They were working like animals. Probably every kiddo in your academy thought "oh yeah, look, we have a club and a coach who will give us a pathway to play for the first team".

But yeah results were poor (strangely these previous back-up players failed to become core key players within a few months) so you obviously "had" to buy a new set of players who were either going to play or the coaching team would get sacked.

As a club, you've always prioritised today while having the best academy in your country. Mourinho, Ancelotti, Tuchel etc. are all managers who quite clearly prefer to use experienced players, which is obviously a quick way to get results over a couple of years but not great if you want to build a dynasty. Boehly wanted something different and brought in Potter who is known to have a very specific and time-demanding method to build physically and psychologically strong teams. I've followed his career for almost ten years and if you want results within a year, you're better off with another manager.

Its all very amateurish.. and funny.

There is no direction. No vision. No "long-term" project. This guy is just straight up lying to you.

Look at how the other McDonalds-clubs did it: Manchester City owners knew they didn't know f**k all about football so they brought in the entire Barcelona gang (CEO, DOF and manager) while sending pay-checks from their corner in the desert. No involvement. Newcastle owners also knew they didn't have a f**king club about football and left the decisions to people who do. Sure, they pop up at St James Park once in a while, but other than that they sit in the background and let people with proven experience do the job. Boehly? All over the f**king place. In the training ground, on Twitter, in front of the cameras, in the stands. National League stuff.

Boehly schizophrenic ADHD-management of your club will most likely be the source of great research in the future, as the finest example of how not to run a football club. 

 

Who do you support mate obviously not Chelsea but yet you take massive interest in us and it would appear watch our games. You came here making out to be an admirer of Potter from years back which is bollocks so he's gone why are you still bothered about us ?. You said best academy in your country don't make out your from abroad mate how many Swedes use words like feck, fecker and sh*te you're here to take the piss you've had your fun now in your own words feck off.

Edited April 15, 20233 yr by bluehaze

1 hour ago, Edjmendy said:

Cant blame the players when theyve had 3 coaches in a season. Must be perplexing for the new players and unsettling for the old ones. We first and foremost need a good coach to say which players he wants before any sales. These players are not bad players and just need good coaching!

You can blame the players because what have those players proven this season? Absolutely f**k all. They haven't done much since they signed. Pulisic has been disappointing, as has Ziyech, as has Havertz, Sterling has shown naff all, neither has Gallagher. Kovacic has been poor this season too. 

12 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

Who do you support mate obviously not Chelsea but yet you take massive interest in us and it would appear watch our games. You came here making out to be an admirer of Potter from years back which is bollocks so he's gone why are you still bothered about us ?. You said best academy in your country don't make out your from abroad mate how many Swedes use words like feck, fecker and sh*te you're here to take the piss you've had your fun now in your own words feck off.

I'd just ignore him. He did the same thing on Brighton's North Stand Chat forum for years (as poster "Swansman") until they finally had enough of him and banned him permanently recently. Probably why he's now turning up more on here ... has nowhere else to post until Potter finds a new club !

 

Im not as doom and gloom as everyone here and of course this is an awful season. I really do think the owners mean well but some of the decisions they have made will be an experience for them and they are certaintly learning on the job. They should have never have sacked Tuchel without a top replacement and they should have never have signed so many players without selling.

We have a squad that consists of world cup winners and champions league winners, they dont just turn sh*t overnight. As a club we should know by now that a top manager can change everything. Tuchel, Conte, Mourinho and Carlo have all come in and won things straight away. While we were going through the hiring and firing success under Roman there was still a feeling we wanted a project manager during that time. Potter comes in as that guy but the issue is he doesn't have the pedigree as a top coach. I have no doubt that he will come back into a premier league job and do well at a smaller club. That was the owners first mistake and I think they bought into the media love in for Potter. He was meant to be the next english manager, we did not have anyone consulting the owners making these decisions at the time of his appointment and now we do. His hiring did not help with the amount of players we signed. Noni for example, nothing to do with him but he's such a pointless signing when you sign Sterling and Mudryk the same year while having Pulisic and Ziyech still on your books.

When it comes Lampard it's another romantic appointment but I posted when it happened and this was the situation I was dreading. He's simply not good enough because tactically he's not on the level required for us or any premier league club and the modern footballer needs more than fight and play for the badge mentality to do well.

Utd were dreadful for years and now they have a capable man in charge and you dont hear about that narrative anymore about how the players are not fit to wear the shirt. The difference is between now and 10 years ago is that players need to be coached and gone are the days of big personalities. They are a very rare breed, take Ollie Watkins for example. Do I think he's a top player? Probably not but Emery is getting the best out of his talent. We have a talented squad but we need a big manager to utilize it the right way.

The season has gone and we need to pick up a win or two to stop the embarrassment of flirting closely to relegation. Get in a big manager and striker and sell the likes of Ziyech, Pulisic, RLC and co then mood will change.

I don't want a manager to moan about the basics anymore, it's such a cop out answer for bad performances. We lost because we could not deal with the press from a well coached team. It's not about basics it's about setting the team up better so we have the ability to deal with the press. Lamps should have learned from Tuchel when he came in and made us strong defensivley. He made a huge mistake trying to impose his football day one against Wolves.

Edited April 15, 20233 yr by Sheva

People keep looking back at Roman taking over and thinking this can be replicated perfectly again, but it's tougher in these times. Boehly and Co have tried to bring in good players (on paper) and it hasn't worked out how we/they would have wanted. 

13 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Im not as doom and gloom as everyone here and of course this is an awful season. I really do think the owners mean well but some of the decisions they have made will be an experience for them and they are certaintly learning on the job. They should have never have sacked Tuchel without a top replacement and they should have never have signed so many players without selling.

We have a squad that consists of world cup winners and champions league winners, they dont just turn sh*t overnight. As a club we should know by now that a top manager can change everything. Tuchel, Conte, Mourinho and Carlo have all come in and won things straight away. While we were going through the hiring and firing success under Roman there was still a feeling we wanted a project manager during that time. Potter comes in as that guy but the issue is he doesn't have the pedigree as a top coach. I have no doubt that he will come back into a premier league job and do well at a smaller club. That was the owners first mistake and I think they bought into the media love in for Potter. He was meant to be the next english manager, we did not have anyone consulting the owners making these decisions at the time of his appointment and now we do. His hiring did not help with the amount of players we signed. Noni for example, nothing to do with him but he's such a pointless signing when you sign Sterling and Mudryk the same year while having Pulisic and Ziyech still on your books.

When it comes Lampard it's another romantic appointment but I posted when it happened and this was the situation I was dreading. He's simply not good enough because tactically he's not on the level required for us or any premier league club and the modern footballer needs more than fight and play for the badge mentality to do well.

Utd were dreadful for years and now they have a capable man in charge and you dont hear about that narrative anymore about how the players are not fit to wear the shirt. The difference is between now and 10 years ago is that players need to be coached and gone are the days of big personalities. They are a very rare breed, take Ollie Watkins for example. Do I think he's a top player? Probably not but Emery is getting the best out of his talent. We have a talented squad but we need a big manager to utilize it the right way.

The season has gone and we need to pick up a win or two to stop the embarressent of flirting closely to relegation. Get in a big manager and striker and sell the likes of Ziyech, Pulisic, RLC and co then mood will change.

I don't want a manager to moan about the basics anymore, it's such a cop out answer for bad performances. We lost because we could not deal with the press from a well coached team. It's not about basics it's about setting the team up better so we have the ability to deal with the press.

I’d love you to be right. I think our problems are more structural. Getting a good manager and seeing a big improvement next season may not be enough.
 

Basically the owners spent vast amounts of money, some of which they don't actually have but which they expect to be there in the future based on projections that are already proving unrealistic. I think the structural issues are bigger than Chelsea - unsustainable costs (player wages etc) colliding with peak demand on the part of the fans. Someone mentioned the empty seats today. 
 

the PL may be in a similar spot to the Italian league whenever it was that it stopped being the big one. complacency about the unassailability of the PL has become deafening, to the extent that there was an FT article couple of months back on how nothing can stop it. The FT with a football article! What does that say?
 

im probably wrong and hope so. I may be seeing ghosts. But if the whole thing DOES blow up, it’s not like anyone will be scratching their head and asking: “who could have possibly thought it was unwise to spend £60 million on Cucurella, or committing to multi year contracts on unproven players, or spending 600 million in two transfer windows, could ever go wrong?”

12 minutes ago, Dean said:

I’d love you to be right. I think our problems are more structural. Getting a good manager and seeing a big improvement next season may not be enough.
 

Basically the owners spent vast amounts of money, some of which they don't actually have but which they expect to be there in the future based on projections that are already proving unrealistic. I think the structural issues are bigger than Chelsea - unsustainable costs (player wages etc) colliding with peak demand on the part of the fans. Someone mentioned the empty seats today. 
 

the PL may be in a similar spot to the Italian league whenever it was that it stopped being the big one. complacency about the unassailability of the PL has become deafening, to the extent that there was an FT article couple of months back on how nothing can stop it. The FT with a football article! What does that say?
 

im probably wrong and hope so. I may be seeing ghosts. But if the whole thing DOES blow up, it’s not like anyone will be scratching their head and asking: “who could have possibly thought it was unwise to spend £60 million on Cucurella, or committing to multi year contracts on unproven players, or spending 600 million in two transfer windows, could ever go wrong?”

Football fans are fickle, once the team does well the stadium will be bouncing unless we brought back the fat spanish waiter. There's no doubt we need to sell but we were all in agreement that we needed to sell a few players before the new ownership took over. I hope the spending calms down and if you told me that we would get Enrique and a striker with the ability to score 10-15 goals a season I would be more than happy. The bitter pill to swallow would be the potential loss of academy players as they hold the most value.

 

50 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'd just ignore him. He did the same thing on Brighton's North Stand Chat forum for years (as poster "Swansman") until they finally had enough of him and banned him permanently recently. Probably why he's now turning up more on here ... has nowhere else to post until Potter finds a new club !

 

Presumably he used the name Swansman making out he was a Swansea fan  I've never once looked at an opposition forum never mind post on one it's weird.

 

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Edited April 15, 20233 yr by Sconnie Blue

3 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

Presumably he used the name Swansman making out he was a Swansea fan  I've never once looked at an opposition forum never mind post on one it's weird.

Yes he's clearly followed Potter from club to club LOL. 

2 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Yes he's clearly followed Potter from club to club LOL. 

Maybe he's that chubby lad who was always looking as clueless as Potter in the dugout.

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

A bit too late isn't it?

55 minutes ago, enigma said:

People keep looking back at Roman taking over and thinking this can be replicated perfectly again, but it's tougher in these times. Boehly and Co have tried to bring in good players (on paper) and it hasn't worked out how we/they would have wanted. 

Winning the title is definitely harder but with our resources we shouldn't be outside the top 4. Only City and United (and soon Newcastle) can outspend us, it's just about having the right recruitment team (Vivell seems good so far) and the right manager

13 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Pointless because they are now seeing the match going fans turn against them and their money burning up.

13 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Winning the title is definitely harder but with our resources we shouldn't be outside the top 4. Only City and United (and soon Newcastle) can outspend us, it's just about having the right recruitment team (Vivell seems good so far) and the right manager

I'd have Vivell in the "unproven" camp myself, along with Winstanley and Stewart. Too early for anything they've done to be judged either way yet.

Fair points here and understandable frustration. 

 

1 hour ago, Sheva said:

Im not as doom and gloom as everyone here and of course this is an awful season. I really do think the owners mean well but some of the decisions they have made will be an experience for them and they are certaintly learning on the job. They should have never have sacked Tuchel without a top replacement and they should have never have signed so many players without selling.

We have a squad that consists of world cup winners and champions league winners, they dont just turn sh*t overnight. As a club we should know by now that a top manager can change everything. Tuchel, Conte, Mourinho and Carlo have all come in and won things straight away. While we were going through the hiring and firing success under Roman there was still a feeling we wanted a project manager during that time. Potter comes in as that guy but the issue is he doesn't have the pedigree as a top coach. I have no doubt that he will come back into a premier league job and do well at a smaller club. That was the owners first mistake and I think they bought into the media love in for Potter. He was meant to be the next english manager, we did not have anyone consulting the owners making these decisions at the time of his appointment and now we do. His hiring did not help with the amount of players we signed. Noni for example, nothing to do with him but he's such a pointless signing when you sign Sterling and Mudryk the same year while having Pulisic and Ziyech still on your books.

When it comes Lampard it's another romantic appointment but I posted when it happened and this was the situation I was dreading. He's simply not good enough because tactically he's not on the level required for us or any premier league club and the modern footballer needs more than fight and play for the badge mentality to do well.

Utd were dreadful for years and now they have a capable man in charge and you dont hear about that narrative anymore about how the players are not fit to wear the shirt. The difference is between now and 10 years ago is that players need to be coached and gone are the days of big personalities. They are a very rare breed, take Ollie Watkins for example. Do I think he's a top player? Probably not but Emery is getting the best out of his talent. We have a talented squad but we need a big manager to utilize it the right way.

The season has gone and we need to pick up a win or two to stop the embarrassment of flirting closely to relegation. Get in a big manager and striker and sell the likes of Ziyech, Pulisic, RLC and co then mood will change.

I don't want a manager to moan about the basics anymore, it's such a cop out answer for bad performances. We lost because we could not deal with the press from a well coached team. It's not about basics it's about setting the team up better so we have the ability to deal with the press. Lamps should have learned from Tuchel when he came in and made us strong defensivley. He made a huge mistake trying to impose his football day one against Wolves.

Spot on. Can't argue with any of this

17 minutes ago, enigma said:

Fair points here and understandable frustration. 

 

He sums it in well “ what were we trying to do”

A question I’ve been asking since October.