2 hours ago, El regreso said:

I guess you don’t know what you have until it’s gone. I use to see so much moaning about our old board on here but as bad as they were they are miles better than these arrogant fools.

Coming in and thinking you know about football and completely f**king up the club for at least 2 years. 
They have set us back so far.

What I would do for some Marina procrastination until the last few days of the transfer window, it was frustrating as hell but compare to the current clowns 🤡 in charge it’s night and day.

But when Roman took over Chelsea the competition was less difficult than it is now. Boehly takes over and there are other clubs with more managerial talent, better players, teams in form. This season was always going to be rough due to the circumstances.

We can't keep bleating on about Roman because the last 12 years we won 4 big trophies which considering the talent and money spent, along with the managers is quite poor considering Pep and City have won four PL titles since Pep took over 5/6 seasons ago. 

We have been poorly run for a decade at least, but people keep harping back to the good old days of Roman in early to mid 2000s when Mourinho was brand new and we had physical, dynamic and world class players, and could outspend everyone pretty much, apart from Utd. 

Edited April 13, 20233 yr by enigma

3 minutes ago, enigma said:

But when Roman took over Chelsea the competition was less difficult than it is now. Boehly takes over and there are other clubs with more managerial talent, better players, teams in form.

 

That's very much debatable. There were other clubs back then with all the stuff you mentioned too.

7 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

That's very much debatable. There were other clubs back then with all the stuff you mentioned too.

Not really. The league evolves, along with tactics. Ferguson got out at a good time. Wenger was starting to lose his grip when teams like City and Chelsea got money and were able to spend on good players. They are good managers, but they had the fortune of a time when they could poach top players and had good homegrown players. For e.g, Man Utd poaching RVP from Arsenal. That is very unlikely to happen these days as clubs don't have as much need to sell their best players. 

3 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Listen to this from back in September.
He's on tape admitting their vision for the club was to find a manager that would collaborate with them, that's what was important to them. It was not about winning, it was not about competing- they were looking for someone who would pander to their ego's, respond on Whattsapp and be a yes man. They put their own ego's above the club.

Is it any wonder it's gone to sh*t? Absolutely not.
Potter is already out, from now until the end of the season I would have loved to see major backlash against the owners at every home game and ideally get them to piss off somehow.

It's hard for me and you to fully understand, but they are that wealthy for a reason and they will conduct their business in their own way. We as fans see the club as our own, but the truth is Chelsea FC is Boehly & Co.'s asset now and they will run it as a business.

There are businessmen that from day one have a top team that handles everything and they just travel the world and enjoy their wealth. And other businessmen that get involved in everything because it is their money at stake and think they own everything and everybody.

You and me would throw the money at Tuchel and leave him take charge of all the operations in the club. Boehly did not see it that way and up until he finds someone to fully trust, like Guardiola, Klopp etc., he and his team will get involved in everything. They have a different mindset, won't just relax and enjoy the matches and leave their business in the hand of other people. 

Let's give them time and see what this summer unfolds, see who they bring on the bench, who they sell, how the pre season goes. Next season can't be as bad as this one, can it? I mean we need a hot start to build confidence, otherwise we're screwed. Another season of drama, bad results and negative vibes all around the club and we're in trouble.

3 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Nope, I think he is still one of the best finisher and aerially he is amazing but Ronaldo best role in serious club is coming off the bench if you need goal similar to michy. 

Forget defensively, offensively it is extremely difficult to utilize him. He doesn't want to stay in the box, he doesn't want to do any of st dirty work, he is not good enough as a 10, he doesn’t have the speed anymore to play as a wing, he also doesn't have the agility to get any type of shot that he want, so you have to setup the chances for him

Essentially you need your whole team to play in very specific system to serve ronaldo. That is fine if he scores 50 goals a season but he can't do that anymore. 

 

 

 

But the point is that @Frankie8Lampard didn't say any of that. He merely said he was against signing Ronaldo as most of us were, but in hindsight just adding his goal threat would have made a difference compared to the condition we are currently in. 

And frankly, regardless of how old or up himself he is, or what he adds tot he team in teh grander scheme of things, 2 minutes into a Champions League quarter final, streaking into the box being hotly pursued by a Real Madrid defender, Ronaldo scores, simple as.

3 hours ago, SwedishEntity said:

That he was the top scorer doesn't help much when the moment he came in, everyone else stopped scoring goals because the egomaniac w**ker that is Ronaldo either needs to score the goal himself or he just won't be interested in helping his team. So yeah you get a bunch of goals from him and a larger bunch of goals disappear from other players.

But again here, that wasn't the point that @Frankie8Lampard was making. It was a simple truism that we would undoubtedly be in a better position scoring wise than we currently are. Just becuase we don't like the bloke or think he might screw up the dressing room, wasn't the point being made.

Of couse we couldn't have an egomaniac, throwing his weight around and shooting his mouth off all over the place. We'd be the laughing stock after all. 

13 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

But again here, that wasn't the point that @Frankie8Lampard was making. It was a simple truism that we would undoubtedly be in a better position scoring wise than we currently are. Just becuase we don't like the bloke or think he might screw up the dressing room, wasn't the point being made.

Of couse we couldn't have an egomaniac, throwing his weight around and shooting his mouth off all over the place. We'd be the laughing stock after all. 

Why undoubtedly?

Manchester United scored a lot of goals and took a lot of points the season before Ronaldo came and now when he has left, they're scoring more goals and getting more points again. Manchester United were in a better position scoring wise before and after Ronaldo, so why would it "undoubtedly" be different in Chelsea?

1 hour ago, enigma said:

Not really. The league evolves, along with tactics. Ferguson got out at a good time. Wenger was starting to lose his grip when teams like City and Chelsea got money and were able to spend on good players. They are good managers, but they had the fortune of a time when they could poach top players and had good homegrown players. For e.g, Man Utd poaching RVP from Arsenal. That is very unlikely to happen these days as clubs don't have as much need to sell their best players. 

Man United, just like us fell down after losing their best generation of players, it wasn't easier to win the league while Wenger was competing with no money and while SAF was there with his players during their prime at all. 

41 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Why undoubtedly?

Manchester United scored a lot of goals and took a lot of points the season before Ronaldo came and now when he has left, they're scoring more goals and getting more points again. Manchester United were in a better position scoring wise before and after Ronaldo, so why would it "undoubtedly" be different in Chelsea?

But we are not comparing Man Utd's team before and after, are we, we are saying whether including Ronaldo up front for us rather playing Havertz or nobody there would have resulted in us scoring more goals. Are you saying that by including Ronaldo you think he would score less than Havertz's 7 this season? So nobody is drawing any comparisons against Man Utd at all. The original post by @Frankie8Lampard merely implied that he thought that Ronaldo would pose a greater goal threat and would score more goals, which to me seems to be a perfectly reasonable assumption. The point being that nobody denies that the Chelsea team doesn't create chances, its the fact that they couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces that's the issue.

6 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

But we are not comparing Man Utd's team before and after, are we, we are saying whether including Ronaldo up front for us rather playing Havertz or nobody there would have resulted in us scoring more goals. Are you saying that by including Ronaldo you think he would score less than Havertz's 7 this season? So nobody is drawing any comparisons against Man Utd at all. The original post by @Frankie8Lampard merely implied that he thought that Ronaldo would pose a greater goal threat and would score more goals, which to me seems to be a perfectly reasonable assumption. The point being that nobody denies that the Chelsea team doesn't create chances, its the fact that they couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces that's the issue.

Would Ronaldo be more efficient than Havertz (and every other Chelsea player)? Yes, quite likely.
Would Chelsea create as many chances playing with 10 men instead of 11? Probably not.

 

20 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

But we are not comparing Man Utd's team before and after, are we, we are saying whether including Ronaldo up front for us rather playing Havertz or nobody there would have resulted in us scoring more goals. Are you saying that by including Ronaldo you think he would score less than Havertz's 7 this season? So nobody is drawing any comparisons against Man Utd at all. The original post by @Frankie8Lampard merely implied that he thought that Ronaldo would pose a greater goal threat and would score more goals, which to me seems to be a perfectly reasonable assumption. The point being that nobody denies that the Chelsea team doesn't create chances, its the fact that they couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces that's the issue.

Ronaldo is no longer a speedster. He would not be able to get shot of. 

 

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 

To be honest that goes both ways.

People wanted Gallagher in, and Tuchel played him in the pivot and ignored our midfield entirely until deadline day. 

6 hours ago, abramovich said:

This is what happens when politics takes priority over common sense. And they have the audacity to blame the previous regime for not running the club properly.

Arrogant deluded incompetent w**kers.

There's problems under Clearlake and there was problems (in the final few years) under the previous regime.

Both can be true.

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

People wanted Gallagher in, and Tuchel played him in the pivot and ignored our midfield entirely until deadline day. 

Gallagher could very well have worked out for us with Tuchel. He was clearly a very big fan of him.

It's a paradox that we brought in Potter to develop players and "use our exciting academy" and he utilized the academy-lads a lot less than Tuchel ever did. And Tuchel somehow got hammered for having something against youngsters that was always just a load of crap.

5 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Is it any wonder it's gone to sh*t? Absolutely not.
Potter is already out, from now until the end of the season I would have loved to see major backlash against the owners at every home game and ideally get them to piss off somehow.

Protesting against owners in a stadium you paid them to enter.

That'll show them!

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Gallagher could very well have worked out for us with Tuchel. He was clearly a very big fan of him.

It's a paradox that we brought in Potter to develop players and "use our exciting academy" and he utilized the academy-lads a lot less than Tuchel ever did. And Tuchel somehow got hammered for having something against youngsters that was always just a load of crap.

Disagree. 

The use of Gallagher, let alone in a position as disciplined as a two man midfield, in a possession oriented side is one of the most baffling decisions I have ever seen a top manager make. 

14 minutes ago, Argo said:

Protesting against owners in a stadium you paid them to enter.

That'll show them!

Worked for Liverpool.

36 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

To be honest that goes both ways.

People wanted Gallagher in, and Tuchel played him in the pivot and ignored our midfield entirely until deadline day. 

People wanted Gallagher in but also wanted a new CM. The issue is signings like Cucu/Kouli that i'd say most people could see weren't an upgrade when over the years we've sold Tomori/Guehi/Ake and have Colwill shipped out on loan after an incredible year with Huddersfield.

26 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Worked for Liverpool.

It "worked" because they were forced to sell by the bank.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/platform/amp/liverpool-fc-news-coverage/2016/10/13/13268420/liverpool-failed-sale-2010-dubai-sheikh-andy-lynch-hicks-and-gillett-greed

Funny you mention Liverpool because many of the same fans in the same year emptied out Anfield and refused to return until Roy was sacked. The only language billionaire owners understand is cash, if I ever get to the point you're currently at I wouldn't give the club a single penny.

3 hours ago, enigma said:

But when Roman took over Chelsea the competition was less difficult than it is now. Boehly takes over and there are other clubs with more managerial talent, better players, teams in form. This season was always going to be rough due to the circumstances.

We can't keep bleating on about Roman because the last 12 years we won 4 big trophies which considering the talent and money spent, along with the managers is quite poor considering Pep and City have won four PL titles since Pep took over 5/6 seasons ago. 

We have been poorly run for a decade at least, but people keep harping back to the good old days of Roman in early to mid 2000s when Mourinho was brand new and we had physical, dynamic and world class players, and could outspend everyone pretty much, apart from Utd. 

I hear all that but it’s doesn’t explain anything I said about how absolutely dreadful the current regime are. They make Everton board look competent. None of the changes they made were necessary changes, gutting the people running the clubs for their own, getting rid of backroom staff then over hiring on the playing staff all unnecessary in that short time frame.

Have a phase transition over 12-18 months to avoid major disruptions. I work in Pre-Sales as solutions engineer and when I sell a solution we rarely ever do big bang switch overs always phase approach to avoid issues. 
I fail to see how they as successful business don’t know or have advisors who know this especially when making a multi-billion £ acquisition. When you see major acquisitions you normally see in the press release “ this person/persons will stay on for X amount of time to help with transition”

We needed investment but be strategic not flap around like a lose garden hose.
 
These clowns are building the roof before the foundation and it will always fail.

I raise my nose at pundits and opposition fans when they said he’s playing football manager and i thought they are bitter but that’s exactly how I use to play football manager buy all the talent, sack my coach’s, physiso and completely fail!!!

I just hope they haven’t completely f**ked us like how Arsenal were for years. Some of the people who were key to out winning mentality are no longer here and the new people brought in I have no idea who they are or their record.

I remember we were keen of the ex Liverpool sporting director but he wanted time off. I suspect even though he wanted time off he would have still join and start this summer but he probably saw the sh*t show that was the new board and wanted none of it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a few of the investors getting cold feet because of how badly everything has been handled.

Edited April 13, 20233 yr by El regreso

32 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Worked for Liverpool.

 

We've done it before.

It's too early to call for the owner's head. They've made mistakes but I'm willing to give them a couple of seasons to correct them. If there's anything positive about them, its that they have ambition which isn't true for most owners and I think thats why Roman chose them. The future of the club moving forward will be how they channel that ambition better than they have in the past year.

It might be too early to start booing Boehly but it's in the post fans aren't happy with everything at the club needless sackings etc the ground staff one was just plain wrong and weird. The line that they are billionaires so they know what their doing is just bollocks they've come into a sport they know nothing about Randy Lerner was the same at Villa this is the time when they could do with the likes of Petr Cech in their corner instead they are allegedly asking James Corden about football matters.

I can see prices going up in the Summer which will cause more unrest seasons like this one you better get used to it cause I can see it being the norm for the next few years.

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

It's too early to call for the owner's head. They've made mistakes but I'm willing to give them a couple of seasons to correct them. If there's anything positive about them, its that they have ambition which isn't true for most owners and I think thats why Roman chose them. The future of the club moving forward will be how they channel that ambition better than they have in the past year.

Yeah what exactly do we want to change? I don't think they've made many mistakes in 2023, the issues have been on the pitch, not off it.