1 hour ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Bit negative in here regards the owners.

They’re trying to implement something completely different to what the club, and for that matter the sport, are used to. Is it going to work? I think we’ll be able to judge by the end of this season (If we qualify for CL) and certainly next (Title Challenge)

Signings/Outgoings wise it’s been a mixed bag from the start (take away that first window that was quickfire) For every Sterling there’s been a Palmer. I suppose if you look at the ‘core’ of the team they’re trying to build there’s something to go for. 
 

I get it’s easy to go full ‘Yanks Out’ mode but other than fluffing signing a proper striker for 4/5 windows and a change of manager constantly changing the role of a Goalkeeper the squad is getting there. 

But what are they actually implementing ? There's no obvious plan to move the team forward..The decisions they've made since their ownership have made the team instantly worse .

An improvement from their disaster of a first season isn't much comfort.

Anyway, gotta win tomorrow 

Come on you BLUES!

 

 

8 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Bit negative in here regards the owners.

They’re trying to implement something completely different to what the club, and for that matter the sport, are used to. Is it going to work? I think we’ll be able to judge by the end of this season (If we qualify for CL) and certainly next (Title Challenge)

Signings/Outgoings wise it’s been a mixed bag from the start (take away that first window that was quickfire) For every Sterling there’s been a Palmer. I suppose if you look at the ‘core’ of the team they’re trying to build there’s something to go for. 
 

I get it’s easy to go full ‘Yanks Out’ mode but other than fluffing signing a proper striker for 4/5 windows and a change of manager constantly changing the role of a Goalkeeper the squad is getting there. 

The thing is, I do actually think that this methods will eventually win us trophies.

The real question is, will it turn out to be because this is a plan that will truly explode and reap it's rewards in the coming years or will it be because Palmer and Paez are just that ridiculously good?

Instinct says the latter but time will tell.

3 hours ago, Argo said:

The thing is, I do actually think that this methods will eventually win us trophies.

The real question is, will it turn out to be because this is a plan that will truly explode and reap it's rewards in the coming years or will it be because Palmer and Paez are just that ridiculously good?

Instinct says the latter but time will tell.

Conversely it may well end up taking the sale of Palmer in a year or two to convince people that football is secondary to these people.

When they sell James it'll be said that we have cover and his injury record vs his salary. When we sell Colwill it'll be the pure profit angle and some of us are still not totally convinced by him. But when they sell Palmer for triple what they paid, people will then go whoa, hang on a minute. Especially when Paez would have played virtually no football at PL standard. 

They'll be posters saying I'm wrong, that'll never happen. Hmm, we'll see.

Someone needs to tell the owners that being a selling club means you’re trading trophies for money. You can’t be a selling club and win trophies because you’re constantly selling your best players. 

12 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Agent fees must be quite large I would have thought?

If amortisation is set increase by 60m euros pa that's going to be an annual cost of around £240m a year isn't it?.

 

Agent fees are almost entirely included in the amortisation figure, they are reported to the FA on an annual basis but are accountable over the term of the players contract.

23 hours ago, dermott said:

Osimhen wouldn't lower his wage demand. Simple.

The fact that he hasn’t it seems been included in the Napoli squad is interesting. It may be that a deal to Saudi is still on but likewise he may not be listed in any squad till January.

9 minutes ago, terraloon said:

The fact that he hasn’t it seems been included in the Napoli squad is interesting. It may be that a deal to Saudi is still on but likewise he may not be listed in any squad till January.

Not in the squad, hasn't been training with them. Unless his agent comes to his senses it seems, for now, like Saudi or nothing. 

5 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Conversely it may well end up taking the sale of Palmer in a year or two to convince people that football is secondary to these people.

When they sell James it'll be said that we have cover and his injury record vs his salary. When we sell Colwill it'll be the pure profit angle and some of us are still not totally convinced by him. But when they sell Palmer for triple what they paid, people will then go whoa, hang on a minute. Especially when Paez would have played virtually no football at PL standard. 

They'll be posters saying I'm wrong, that'll never happen. Hmm, we'll see.

I disagree mainly for these reasons.

If James can't get over his injury issues selling him isn't even financially worth it as no team will pay a big price. May aswell in this case enjoy the 10-15 games we get of him as that could be the difference between UCL football (and with it more money than his sale would get) and not.

Colwill would have given us the easiest pure profit of all time every summer up till now, and unlike with Chalobah we'd a) have actual bids for him from the elite and b) he'd be open for leaving. We could have put him up for sale 5pm deadline day and found an agreement.

The Palmer situation could happen in theory, but I'm not sure who could afford what we'd be demanding. With his contract we'll be in the position to demand Neymar money, who would be in a position to cough that up? The only two teams I feel might I can't picture him being willing to go to in one case (PSG) and with the other (City) Pep doesn't seem to take players back if they ask to leave him, I know he's just made an exception but still.

5 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Conversely it may well end up taking the sale of Palmer in a year or two to convince people that football is secondary to these people.

When they sell James it'll be said that we have cover and his injury record vs his salary. When we sell Colwill it'll be the pure profit angle and some of us are still not totally convinced by him. But when they sell Palmer for triple what they paid, people will then go whoa, hang on a minute. Especially when Paez would have played virtually no football at PL standard. 

They'll be posters saying I'm wrong, that'll never happen. Hmm, we'll see.

A lot depends on the consortium's timescale for getting a decent return on their investment. We know that they are 'in it' for a minimum of 10 years...if that was the case, it wouldn't surprise me if we witnessed asset stripping from year 7/8.

Interesting how quickly people jump on the latest "story" about us allegedly breaking financial rules, isn't it?

There is an agenda against us from all sides and there always has been, ever since that title in 04/05. We shouldn't be surprised.

4 hours ago, Argo said:

I disagree mainly for these reasons.

If James can't get over his injury issues selling him isn't even financially worth it as no team will pay a big price. May aswell in this case enjoy the 10-15 games we get of him as that could be the difference between UCL football (and with it more money than his sale would get) and not.

Colwill would have given us the easiest pure profit of all time every summer up till now, and unlike with Chalobah we'd a) have actual bids for him from the elite and b) he'd be open for leaving. We could have put him up for sale 5pm deadline day and found an agreement.

The Palmer situation could happen in theory, but I'm not sure who could afford what we'd be demanding. With his contract we'll be in the position to demand Neymar money, who would be in a position to cough that up? The only two teams I feel might I can't picture him being willing to go to in one case (PSG) and with the other (City) Pep doesn't seem to take players back if they ask to leave him, I know he's just made an exception but still.

Cole Palmer could go anywhere.

Sadly I don't think he's going to hang around at Chelsea if we aren't competing with the very best , and playing CL football regularly. 

I wouldn't blame him if he wants to leave if the best we can give him is Conference League football and no where near top 4.

He really deserves better than us ,.I hope we can improve,.I thought we played some good stuff today, but the 2nd half was the opposite of last week and typical of most of last season. 

7 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Cole Palmer could go anywhere.

Sadly I don't think he's going to hang around at Chelsea if we aren't competing with the very best , and playing CL football regularly. 

I wouldn't blame him if he wants to leave if the best we can give him is Conference League football and no where near top 4.

He really deserves better than us ,.I hope we can improve,.I thought we played some good stuff today, but the 2nd half was the opposite of last week and typical of most of last season. 

There's the small but crucial matter of a contract, recently extended. Not that I think he's remotely interested in leaving. He's the King Pin and he knows it.

12 minutes ago, dermott said:

There's the small but crucial matter of a contract, recently extended. Not that I think he's remotely interested in leaving. He's the King Pin and he knows it.

Let's hope that the outstanding talent that he is is content to stay with a club that is miles away from top 4 and CL football, with managers and with players coming and going every season.

That would indicate an astonishing lack of ambition, something that Palmer doesn't lack at all.

Anyway, it's just a debating point really, there's nothing remotely to suggest it might happen, .

Thanks for your reply mate

 

33 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Let's hope that the outstanding talent that he is is content to stay with a club that is miles away from top 4 and CL football, with managers and with players coming and going every season.

That would indicate an astonishing lack of ambition, something that Palmer doesn't lack at all.

Anyway, it's just a debating point really, there's nothing remotely to suggest it might happen, .

Thanks for your reply mate

 

I think he will be content to stay a couple more years. But if there is no progress over that time I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to move. 

12 hours ago, JM7 said:

Someone needs to tell the owners that being a selling club means you’re trading trophies for money. You can’t be a selling club and win trophies because you’re constantly selling your best players. 

I think they know mate, they want the money. You don't think Hansjorg Wyss, who has said he does not even like football, and Jose Feliciano, who said their primary aim was improving the business and making money off us, care about trophies and us fans do you?

This ain't new news, they said this from the get go.

On 31/08/2024 at 19:01, dermott said:

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/news/football-finance-expert-explains-the-problem-chelsea-now-have-after-what-uefa-just-confirmed/

And multiple other sources.

Their "source" is the Times article which as I explained before is either disingenuous or suggests UEFA made a preconceived decision.

“We think there’s a path to controlling labour costs and still producing a winning product using data, using the multi club. We think the multi club is an interesting tool for player trading [and] if you have a cost structure that can sustain and you invigorate the fanbase we think you can have a business that makes money that are natural monopolies in their markets without the regulation, without the salary caps.

“[If] done well you can make money on each specific enterprise. [If] done right, if you use data, if you’re thoughtful about this global market for talent and access of talent that is not effectively done through a draft or an extensive college or baseball farm system [then] you can capture, acquire, retain, sign talent and monetise talent. There’s a talent arbitrage opportunity that exists.

“[And] it’s the perfect pathway of developing talent whereby you don’t have to spend crazy money on payroll. [We] hired a coach from Brighton and we think they’re one of the best-run teams in the Premier League. The owner is from a sport gaming, data background. Spends 10% of the payroll, wins almost as much and is a very stable mid-market, mid-table, very profitable club. I think if you apply some of that IP into developing talent but keeping your talent.”

 

This is what Eghbali said and this is what we have been doing. It is strange that there is still fans who can debate this when Eghbali himself said that this is his plan. 

3 hours ago, Bob stark said:

This is what Eghbali said and this is what we have been doing. It is strange that there is still fans who can debate this when Eghbali himself said that this is his plan. 

The mid table mid market bit is the most concerning 

2 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

The mid table mid market bit is the most concerning 

Exactly. Mid table, mid market, very profitable.  The football is secondary.  On pitch success is at bast a corollary but not the primary goal. 

We all view this club and team through a completely different lens than these parasites.

2 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

The mid table mid market bit is the most concerning 

I don't think he want to turn us into a midtable team. The idea is still to be a top team but with controlled labour cost. 

If you look at most (some is favor for agent, some is manager request) of our signing, there is less focus on signing player with certain profile, the focus is more signing talented, young cheap player. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

I don't think he want to turn us into a midtable team. The idea is still to be a top team but with controlled labour cost. 

If you look at most (some is favor for agent, some is manager request) of our signing, there is less focus on signing player with certain profile, the focus is more signing talented, young cheap player. 

Boehly said we need to be a top side. And the glaring difference between us and Brighton so far into their ownership is we buy the diamonds from the market (or attempt to) with top money and Brighton buy hidden gems for €3-10m. Brighton is not buying Estevao, Andrey Santos, Cesare Casadei, Cole Palmer and Noni Madueke for top dollar. We just have done so. We also spent €200m for Enzo and Caicedo. 

What we have taken from Brighton is data driven decision making as I've been saying since they took over and the idea that you can make money with players. 

Why there is a massive backlash to this is because media doesn't want to dig into this as non-headline news doesn't sell anything, Chelsea-misery does. And because our fans don't think we have new owners nor do they want to see anything else but trophies and top players. 

I think the so called project seems smart and our owners seem to go full on towards this. Time will tell how it all goes. 

7 hours ago, Bob stark said:

This is what Eghbali said and this is what we have been doing. It is strange that there is still fans who can debate this when Eghbali himself said that this is his plan. 

It's also a bit out of date referencing having hired Potter. 

43 minutes ago, dermott said:

It's also a bit out of date referencing having hired Potter. 

But the plan hasn't changed though. Its still the overriding objective. The fact that their decision making has been suspect throughout is not deterring them from their overarching mission

8 hours ago, Bob stark said:

“We think there’s a path to controlling labour costs and still producing a winning product using data, using the multi club. We think the multi club is an interesting tool for player trading [and] if you have a cost structure that can sustain and you invigorate the fanbase we think you can have a business that makes money that are natural monopolies in their markets without the regulation, without the salary caps.

“[If] done well you can make money on each specific enterprise. [If] done right, if you use data, if you’re thoughtful about this global market for talent and access of talent that is not effectively done through a draft or an extensive college or baseball farm system [then] you can capture, acquire, retain, sign talent and monetise talent. There’s a talent arbitrage opportunity that exists.

“[And] it’s the perfect pathway of developing talent whereby you don’t have to spend crazy money on payroll. [We] hired a coach from Brighton and we think they’re one of the best-run teams in the Premier League. The owner is from a sport gaming, data background. Spends 10% of the payroll, wins almost as much and is a very stable mid-market, mid-table, very profitable club. I think if you apply some of that IP into developing talent but keeping your talent.”

 

The bold part is where I think they are going tits up. It is not working. We’re lower than Brighton (and losing money from the European top competition), paid top money for so many youth “gems” that they can’t shift to earn money that I doubt they have updated their data analysis software since windows 96 and, of all the “gems” acquired, we’re still to see any that is setting the world on fire other than Palmer.