2 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

It's the only way I can make sense of it in my head without abusing the owners for treating ppl like commodities.

They don't ask for a list of players but a "stock count"

😆

🤣 I suppose the academy is a commodity production factory. ,!

Just now, The Rising Sun said:

🤣 I suppose the academy is a commodity production factory. ,!

Exactly...and we import some stock in too.

Obviously the local produce/homegrown/made in house will yield the highest profit as shown.

Seriously, that's a PhD thesis right there for anyone interested. Lol

2 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

I absolutely agree , and the Asian market are renowned for producing cheap imitations .

I believe the EPL gets loads from Asian TV rights though.

Todd sees America as a largely untapped market. Dunno if the World cup over there will change that, ? 

Clearlake will have a plan to pocket money off of club somehow.

 

 

 

Untapped for EPL business but not untapped for major sport and that’s the problem. They already have their 4 huge (in the USA) sports plus MLS and golf. There would be a lot of dead husbands if they watched more sport than they already do and getting them to drop a lifelong favourite for footy will never be easy. If anything the USA is already saturated with sport (watching and betting) so squeezing another dime out somewhere will be tough. 
 

Agreed that they will have a plan to make money. It looks we are seeing some of it in cost reductions and profitable player inventory sales. 

On 03/09/2024 at 08:39, Bob stark said:

“We think there’s a path to controlling labour costs and still producing a winning product using data, using the multi club. We think the multi club is an interesting tool for player trading [and] if you have a cost structure that can sustain and you invigorate the fanbase we think you can have a business that makes money that are natural monopolies in their markets without the regulation, without the salary caps.

“[If] done well you can make money on each specific enterprise. [If] done right, if you use data, if you’re thoughtful about this global market for talent and access of talent that is not effectively done through a draft or an extensive college or baseball farm system [then] you can capture, acquire, retain, sign talent and monetise talent. There’s a talent arbitrage opportunity that exists.

“[And] it’s the perfect pathway of developing talent whereby you don’t have to spend crazy money on payroll. [We] hired a coach from Brighton and we think they’re one of the best-run teams in the Premier League. The owner is from a sport gaming, data background. Spends 10% of the payroll, wins almost as much and is a very stable mid-market, mid-table, very profitable club. I think if you apply some of that IP into developing talent but keeping your talent.”

 

So if we needed proof that Eghbali knows nothing about football or football business, here it is. Eghbali's words are mealymouthed nonsense that appeals only to the investor class. Brighton haven't won a thing, have lost their best players, and bar one season have somewhat underachieved compared to their reputation.

Talent arbitrage is not a new concept, but the problem with the clubs that have tried it is that it just isn't that profitable in most cases. The only clubs who have turned serious profits from talent arbitrage have been the big 3 Portuguese clubs (Benfica/Lisbon/Porto). There are obvious cultural reasons (easier for South Americans to integrate) and legal reasons (EU country, no work permit system) why this system is so successful for them but it should also be said that all three teams tend to oscillate between success and underachievement because they are constantly churning through players. Their real strength is at academy level, with all three clubs producing streams of quality players that are sold profitably to clubs at all tiers of football.

The problem is that it is a very passivist take. This is not a new criticism, it is the same issue we had with Emenalo before. Talent doesn't develop in a vacuum, it needs to be given mentoring and opportunities. The idea that you can just stockpile players and the gems will miraculously is a tried-and-true tactic for failure.

15 hours ago, Remodez said:

I was talking more in terms of management on the pitch, not off it. Poch is able to provide freedom and not be rigid tactically which benefits the players more if we are going to be collecting them all like infinity stones.

A yes man version of Poch would be ideal given what the ultimate plan is, not someone like Enzo. 

Agree, but that is not the most important thing.

If we look at Brighton, Potter left for us, RDZ was signed, 2 seasons in he was unhappy with the way Brighton sign player, he left. No big deal, just get another manager. 

Manager is important but compare to player, I always think they are secondary. 

11 hours ago, RMH said:

I used to think similarly to you, that the owners wanted us to win trophies because that’s how you make the most money. And I still hope that that’s how they see it. However, I find it difficult to understand how they are spending on random players without paying attention at the glaring needs of this team. They’ve been on a shopping spree and we’re still incredibly unbalanced. With a bit more of careful planning, they could have spent less money while making the team stronger. As it stands, I’m not sure we’re making Europa league this season. So the facts do not entirely match either of Bob's nor your hypotheses. I still think that they want us to win trophies, but they are not ready or don’t know how to build a team and appear more concerned with paying top money for ‘potential’ with resale value than to cover the team’s holes with established quality.

Careful planning around balance require you to target player who maybe want more wages (the most important) or overvalued based on your valuation. 

This is where Brighton strategy play it very smart. They simply won't do it.

 

Edited September 4, 20241 yr by Bob stark

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Agree, but that is not the most important thing.

If we look at Brighton, Potter left for us, RDZ was signed, 2 seasons in he was unhappy with the way Brighton sign player, he left. No big deal, just get another manager. 

Manager is important but compare to player, I always think they are secondary. 

I used to strongly disagree with this in the past but now I tend to agree.

 

This not a new phenomenon but an ongoing discussion specifically in British football, as continental European clubs embraced the idea of directors of football etc long before England ever did. We have had the same arguments for/against raised since Abramovich decided to limit Mourinho's influence on transfers. English football hasn't had a 'dictator' manager since Arsene Wenger retired, almost every club in the top two divisions has a seperate team either alongside or above the managerial appointment who decides transfer strategy.

The biggest problem we have right now is that we aren't doing the arbitrage bit that well. Brighton and the aforementioned Portuguese clubs bought very low and sold very high. We are buying high to try and sell high which is leading to mediocre profits, and there is also no clear strategy for signings brought to improve the first-team. It's exactly the same issue we had with Emenalo and the loan army, really.

People often cite Guardiola/City as a counter-example but Guardiola has been far more successful since he started developing more flexible systems that just allow good players to do 'their thing'. 

In a salary-capped sport, like NBA/NFL etc, the opposite is true. The coach and their staff are the single biggest-value appointment you can make within the confines of the salary cap. In football, with its soft cap, the coach is still valuable but their overall influence is diminished. Our club, with its chaotic managerial history, is arguably living proof of this.

Edited September 4, 20241 yr by SydneyChelsea

4 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

So if we needed proof that Eghbali knows nothing about football or football business, here it is. Eghbali's words are mealymouthed nonsense that appeals only to the investor class. Brighton haven't won a thing, have lost their best players, and bar one season have somewhat underachieved compared to their reputation.

Talent arbitrage is not a new concept, but the problem with the clubs that have tried it is that it just isn't that profitable in most cases. The only clubs who have turned serious profits from talent arbitrage have been the big 3 Portuguese clubs (Benfica/Lisbon/Porto). There are obvious cultural reasons (easier for South Americans to integrate) and legal reasons (EU country, no work permit system) why this system is so successful for them but it should also be said that all three teams tend to oscillate between success and underachievement because they are constantly churning through players. Their real strength is at academy level, with all three clubs producing streams of quality players that are sold profitably to clubs at all tiers of football.

The problem is that it is a very passivist take. This is not a new criticism, it is the same issue we had with Emenalo before. Talent doesn't develop in a vacuum, it needs to be given mentoring and opportunities. The idea that you can just stockpile players and the gems will miraculously is a tried-and-true tactic for failure.

Really disingenuous to criticise this statement. 

He's saying look at what Brighton, a small tin pot club can do through the model. 

Brighton haven't won anything. Except they could have been the 70th best club in the country they are in the top 10. That feels like winning to me. 

Now think what a club like Chelsea could do if we did that model.

That's what he's saying. 

Edited September 4, 20241 yr by bisright1

I wish we'd never had Roman and his methods. These new owners and their incredible plan that nobody else in world football had ever thought of is so good it makes me sick to think it could have been implemented 20 years ago if Roman had had the intelligence and vision. Did Roman ever win us the sell a Brazilian kid for a profit cup? Totally made up for the loss to Servette and draw with Palace. So when's the open top bus parade? Makes me laugh even more at Arsenal and their regular 4th place celebrations.

6 hours ago, Snedger said:

I wish we'd never had Roman and his methods. These new owners and their incredible plan that nobody else in world football had ever thought of is so good it makes me sick to think it could have been implemented 20 years ago if Roman had had the intelligence and vision. Did Roman ever win us the sell a Brazilian kid for a profit cup? Totally made up for the loss to Servette and draw with Palace. So when's the open top bus parade? Makes me laugh even more at Arsenal and their regular 4th place celebrations.

👍Spot f**king on ! 🤣

11 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Really disingenuous to criticise this statement. 

He's saying look at what Brighton, a small tin pot club can do through the model. 

Brighton haven't won anything. Except they could have been the 70th best club in the country they are in the top 10. That feels like winning to me. 

Now think what a club like Chelsea could do if we did that model.

That's what he's saying. 

Equally, we could be in the top ten.

Given the position the club was in when Clearlake inherited it, and the unprecedented amount of the club's money Clearlake have pissed away, it doesn't feel like winning to me.

1 hour ago, PloKoon13 said:

Equally, we could be in the top ten.

Given the position the club was in when Clearlake inherited it, and the unprecedented amount of the club's money Clearlake have pissed away, it doesn't feel like winning to me.

No we aren't winning at all. 

Some days I think we aren't far off. We should have won the carabao cup last year. We were the 4th best club in England second half of the year. 

And some days I think we are going to see another 5 years of transfer chaos chasing amortized profit that will never allow us to be settled enough to mount a serious title challenge. 

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

No we aren't winning at all. 

Some days I think we aren't far off. We should have won the carabao cup last year. We were the 4th best club in England second half of the year. 

And some days I think we are going to see another 5 years of transfer chaos chasing amortized profit that will never allow us to be settled enough to mount a serious title challenge. 

Should of beaten City as well or at least take it into extra time. Then United in the final where we would've had their number given we ended that season with tremendous momentum. 

Honestly at the very best case that team should of finished 4th with 2 domestic trophies. 

7 hours ago, bisright1 said:

No we aren't winning at all. 

Some days I think we aren't far off. We should have won the carabao cup last year. We were the 4th best club in England second half of the year. 

And some days I think we are going to see another 5 years of transfer chaos chasing amortized profit that will never allow us to be settled enough to mount a serious title challenge. 

If you are serious about mounting a title challenge, you want a somewhat settled squad and you build on top of them. 

This is a tried and true method. We had a nice young squad under mou, matic, cesc, costa was signed title challenge. Klopp started to build his pool and then vvd, alisson, fabinho was signed title challenge. Arsenal signed zinchenko, Jesus, rice, kai. 

Just imagined we signed Enzo + Jackson instead of cesc+costa

This strategy is not the best in term of finance though. The more success you have the more money you have to spend on wages and to improve them you target player who will demand big wages which will make everything more expensive. 

 

Edited September 5, 20241 yr by Bob stark

“Chris Jurasek leaves his post as Chelsea chief executive as part of another behind-the-scenes reshuffle. Story with @SamWallaceTel #CFC“

 

He was only appointed last year. What is going on..crazy. 

28 minutes ago, JM7 said:

“Chris Jurasek leaves his post as Chelsea chief executive as part of another behind-the-scenes reshuffle. Story with @SamWallaceTel #CFC“

 

He was only appointed last year. What is going on..crazy. 

Who even cares any more. People come in, does a specific job and move on. Dont get attached to anyone under this ownership

Edited September 5, 20241 yr by AndyDowsleftflank

Meh, I'm just numb to the whole ownership situation at this point.

Just reading an article about him.

He's the guy in charge of ticket prices and sponsorship as well as other things.

 

 

"Part of the role including oversight of liaison with supporters, ticketing, sponsorships and, increasingly, the stadium redevelopment project alongside Gannon.

...

In a statement, fan group Chelsea Supporters' Trust said: "This is a positive change that the club should use to rebuild the trust and confidence of supporters."

Beeb

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07erg732v7o

Edited September 5, 20241 yr by Simplymo

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

“Chris Jurasek leaves his post as Chelsea chief executive as part of another behind-the-scenes reshuffle. Story with @SamWallaceTel #CFC“

 

He was only appointed last year. What is going on..crazy. 

This one is good news though. Twat can do one.

The football club should employ people that have some affinity to the sport and realize that fans are not customers

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-ceo-boehly-premier-league-32324678

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/41111930/chelsea-transfer-plan-wild-spending-spree-wise-strategy

"Sources close to Clearlake cite Real Madrid's semifinal win over Bayern Munich last season as a moment some staff realised the Boehly/Clearlake regime understand the sport they have entered. After Joselu scored twice in the final three minutes to secure a dramatic aggregate win for Madrid, Eghbali texted an associate to say: "We need Champions League football in our lives."

Can't believe after 2 years spending nearly 2bn pounds, they figured out Brighton's model is not good enough for a club liek Chelsea.

 

 

Edited September 5, 20241 yr by Ledgerson

3 hours ago, Ledgerson said:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/41111930/chelsea-transfer-plan-wild-spending-spree-wise-strategy

"Sources close to Clearlake cite Real Madrid's semifinal win over Bayern Munich last season as a moment some staff realised the Boehly/Clearlake regime understand the sport they have entered. After Joselu scored twice in the final three minutes to secure a dramatic aggregate win for Madrid, Eghbali texted an associate to say: "We need Champions League football in our lives."

Can't believe after 2 years spending nearly 2bn pounds, they figured out Brighton's model is not good enough for a club liek Chelsea.

 

 

Still fcked about over Osimhen though.

20 hours ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

Who even cares any more. People come in, does a specific job and move on. Dont get attached to anyone under this ownership

Don't really pay much attention to the back office roles, but we are crying out for some continuity in the playing staff. Reece James is the only player that has been here for any length of time, and he is almost permanently injured. I just don't see how our fan base are supposed to engage fully with the club when they hardly have any players to hero worship any more. Every time a player gets one of those huge banners made for him he gets moved on LOL. Actually might be something in that ... can we get one made for Mudryk ? Jim will no doubt be raiding his piggy bank to fund one for Jackson post haste 🙂 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Don't really pay much attention to the back office roles, but we are crying out for some continuity in the playing staff. Reece James is the only player that has been here for any length of time, and he is almost permanently injured. I just don't see how our fan base are supposed to engage fully with the club when they hardly have any players to hero worship any more. Every time a player gets one of those huge banners made for him he gets moved on LOL. Actually might be something in that ... can we get one made for Mudryk ? Jim will no doubt be raiding his piggy bank to fund one for Jackson post haste 🙂 

It is crazy, if we remove chilwell (goner) and James (🚑). who has the most caps for us? 

Edited September 6, 20241 yr by Bob stark

Cucurella!

Don't know anything about this lad Liverpool seem delighted to have got him.

Says elsewhere that they were prepared to "smash" their youth wage structure to get him, and convinced him there was a clear pathway into the first team.for him.

 

 

 

Why Rio Ngumoha signed for Liverpool? Huge transfer left Chelsea 'furious'

And while Chelsea are still said to be furious at losing a hugely talented young player to a direct Premier League, club legend John Terry could do little but wish the young winger well on his next venture. “Good luck mate," was Terry's reply to Ngumoha's Instagram post that confirmed his belated arrival as a Liverpool player on Wednesday. “This boy is and will be a top top player."

 

Edited September 6, 20241 yr by The Rising Sun
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