Strange how this whole situation has gone from sanctioning one particular Russian due to links to another Russian who started a war, to now trying to sh*t on a football club and destroy it as much as possible. All these people virtue signalling about it all being about Ukraine, but in reality, they just want a football club to crash and burn, they don't give a sh*t about the war.

1 minute ago, Zaphod2319 said:

He is a minority owner and he tried to purchase the Sparks, a women's professional team. I have no knowledge of Wyss beyond a few weeks ago. 

Neither on Wyss, other than his spokewomen saying he has no interest in football, tennis being his sport. And media speculation he hates Roman.

JG is however a confirmed Spurs Fanatic.

2 hours ago, forbzy said:

I don't really understand why we can't have fans at away games. I imagine the issue is the share of gate receipts. But if we cannot receive any income then why not just allow the home team to keep the proceeds in that case?

Because of the nonsense of not allowing any money to possibly reach Abramovich. Surely there's a way to put the money away into an escrow account so that it doesn't go to Abramovich. The government and also the FA have made a hash of this situation. 

7 minutes ago, Mana said:

What are the ownership rules?

Disqualifying Events F.1. A Person shall be disqualified from acting as a Director and no Club shall be permitted to have any Person acting as a Director of that Club if: F.1.1. he/she has been found by a Commission to have acted in breach of Rules B.24, or L.9; F.1.2. he/she has accepted a sanction proposed by the Board pursuant to Rule W.3.7 that he/she should be disqualified from acting as a Director of the Club, as a result of a breach of Rules B.24, or L.9; F.1.3. in relation to the assessment of his/her compliance with Rule F.1 (and/or any similar or equivalent rules of The Football League or The Football Association) at any time, he/she has: F.1.3.1. failed to provide all relevant information (including, without limitation, information relating to any other individual who would qualify as a Director but has not been disclosed, including where he/she or they are acting as a proxy, agent or nominee for another Person); or F.1.3.2. provided false, misleading or inaccurate information; F.1.4. either directly or indirectly he/she is involved in or has any power to determine or influence the management or administration of another Club or Football League club; F.1.5. either directly or indirectly he/she holds or acquires any Significant Interest in a Club while he/she either directly or indirectly holds any interest in any class of Shares of another Club; F.1.6. he/she becomes prohibited by law from being a director (including without limitation as a result of being subject to a disqualification order as a director under the Company Directors Disqualification Act 1986 (as amended or any equivalent provisions in any jurisdiction which has a substantially similar effect) (“the CDDA”), or being subject to the terms of an undertaking given to the Secretary of State under the CDDA unless a court of competent jurisdiction makes an order under the CDDA permitting an appointment as a Director); F.1.7. he/she has a Conviction (which is not a Spent Conviction) imposed by a court of the United Kingdom or a competent court of foreign jurisdiction: F.1.7.1. in respect of which an unsuspended sentence of at least 12 months’ imprisonment was imposed; F.1.7.2. in respect of any offence involving any act which could reasonably be considered to be dishonest (and, for the avoidance of doubt, irrespective of the actual sentence imposed); F.1.7.3. in respect of an offence set out in Appendix 1 (Schedule of Offences) or a directly analogous offence in a foreign jurisdiction (and, for the avoidance of doubt, irrespective of the actual sentence imposed); F.1.8. in the reasonable opinion of the Board, he/she has engaged in conduct outside the United Kingdom that would constitute an offence of the sort described in Rules F.1.7.2 or F.1.7.3, if such conduct had taken place in the United Kingdom, whether or not such conduct resulted in a Conviction;F.1.9. he/she becomes the subject of: F.1.9.1. an Individual Voluntary Arrangement (including any fast track voluntary arrangement); F.1.9.2. a debt relief order (in accordance with the provisions of Part 7A of the 1986 Act); F.1.9.3. an administration order (in accordance with Part 6 of the County Courts Act 1984); F.1.9.4. an enforcement restriction order (in accordance with the provisions of Part 6A of the County Courts Act 1984); F.1.9.5. a debt management scheme or debt repayment plan (in accordance with provisions of Chapter 4 of Part 5 of the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007), or any equivalent provision in any other jurisdiction which has a substantially similar effect, and in each case as may be amended from time to time; F.1.10. he/she becomes the subject of an Interim Bankruptcy Restriction Order, a Bankruptcy Restriction Order or a Bankruptcy Order (or any equivalent provisions in any jurisdiction which has a substantially similar effect); F.1.11. he/she is or has been a Director of a Club which, while he/she has been a Director of it, has suffered two or more unconnected Events of Insolvency in respect of each of which a deduction of points was imposed (and for the purposes of this Rule F.1.11 and Rule F.1.12 a Person shall be deemed to have been a Director of a Club which has suffered an Event of Insolvency if such Event of Insolvency occurred in the 30 days immediately following his/ her having resigned as a Director of that Club); F.1.12. he/she has been a Director of two or more Clubs (or clubs) each of which, while he/she has been a Director of them, has suffered an Event of Insolvency in respect of each of which a deduction of points was imposed; F.1.13. he/she is subject to a suspension or ban from involvement in the administration of a sport by any ruling body of a sport that is recognised by the International Olympic Committee, UK Sport, or Sport England, another of the home country sports councils, or any other national or international sporting association or governing body, whether such suspension or ban is direct or indirect (for example a direction to Persons subject to the jurisdiction of the ruling body that they should not employ, contract with or otherwise engage or retain the services of an individual); F.1.14. he/she is subject to any form of suspension, disqualification or striking-off by a professional body including, without limitation, the Law Society, the Solicitors’ Regulation Authority, the Bar Council or the Institute of Chartered Accountants of England and Wales or any equivalent body in any jurisdiction outside England and Wales, whether such suspension, disqualification or striking-off is direct or indirect (for example a direction to Persons subject to the jurisdiction of the professional body that they should not employ, contract with or otherwise engage or retain the services of an individual); F.1.15. he/she has been an Official at a Club (or held an equivalent role at a club) that has been expelled from either the League, the EFL, the National League, Isthmian League, Northern Premier League, Southern Football League, the FA Women’s Super League or the FA Women’s Championship whilst he/she was an Official of that Club (or held an equivalent role at a club) or in the 30 days immediately following his/her resignation from the Club (or club);F.1.16. he/she is required to notify personal information pursuant to Part 2 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003; or F.1.17. he/she is found to have breached (irrespective of any sanction actually imposed), or has admitted breaching (irrespective of whether disciplinary proceedings were brought or not): F.1.17.1. Rule J.6; or F.1.17.2. any other rules in force from time to time in relation to the prohibition on betting on football (whether in England or Wales or elsewhere). F.1.18. he/she is an Intermediary and/or is registered as an intermediary or agent pursuant to the regulations of any national member association of FIFA.

 

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https://www.premierleague.com/news/102375#:~:text=The Owners' and Directors' Test outlines requirements that would prohibit,%2C such as match-fixing.

6 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Strange how this whole situation has gone from sanctioning one particular Russian due to links to another Russian who started a war, to now trying to sh*t on a football club and destroy it as much as possible. All these people virtue signalling about it all being about Ukraine, but in reality, they just want a football club to crash and burn, they don't give a sh*t about the war.

Better research should have been done on the cost of putting on a home match and travel for away matches. 

Any sympathy we had from fellow football fans not much admittedly has now completely gone with the earlier statement. Who's idea was it Buck's? it's the sort of thing one of those Instagram influencers twats would come out with '' So sorry can't make Sunday's soiree could you be a dear and cancel the whole thing mwah xx''. We were banned from away games in the 70's and 80's no mention of sporting integrity then.

4 minutes ago, coco said:

Disqualifying Events F.1. A Person shall be disqualified from acting as a Director and no Club shall be permitted to have any Person acting as a Director of that Club if: F.1.1. he/she has been found by a Commission to have acted in breach of Rules B.24, or L.9; F.1.2. he/she has accepted a sanction proposed by the Board pursuant to Rule W.3.7 that he/she should be disqualified from acting as a Director of the Club, as a result of a breach of Rules B.24, or L.9; F.1.3. in relation to the assessment of his/her compliance with Rule F.1 (and/or any similar or equivalent rules of The Football League or The Football Association) at any time, he/she has: F.1.3.1. failed to provide all relevant information (including, without limitation, information relating to any other individual who would qualify as a Director but has not been disclosed, including where he/she or they are acting as a proxy, agent or nominee for another Person); or F.1.3.2. provided false, misleading or inaccurate information; F.1.4. either directly or indirectly he/she is involved in or has any power to determine or influence the management or administration of another Club or Football League club; F.1.5. either directly or indirectly he/she holds or acquires any Significant Interest in a Club while he/she either directly or indirectly holds any interest in any class of Shares of another Club; F.1.6. he/she becomes prohibited by law from being a director (including without limitation as a result of being subject to a disqualification order as a director under the Company Directors Disqualification Act 1986 (as amended or any equivalent provisions in any jurisdiction which has a substantially similar effect) (“the CDDA”), or being subject to the terms of an undertaking given to the Secretary of State under the CDDA unless a court of competent jurisdiction makes an order under the CDDA permitting an appointment as a Director); F.1.7. he/she has a Conviction (which is not a Spent Conviction) imposed by a court of the United Kingdom or a competent court of foreign jurisdiction: F.1.7.1. in respect of which an unsuspended sentence of at least 12 months’ imprisonment was imposed; F.1.7.2. in respect of any offence involving any act which could reasonably be considered to be dishonest (and, for the avoidance of doubt, irrespective of the actual sentence imposed); F.1.7.3. in respect of an offence set out in Appendix 1 (Schedule of Offences) or a directly analogous offence in a foreign jurisdiction (and, for the avoidance of doubt, irrespective of the actual sentence imposed); F.1.8. in the reasonable opinion of the Board, he/she has engaged in conduct outside the United Kingdom that would constitute an offence of the sort described in Rules F.1.7.2 or F.1.7.3, if such conduct had taken place in the United Kingdom, whether or not such conduct resulted in a Conviction;F.1.9. he/she becomes the subject of: F.1.9.1. an Individual Voluntary Arrangement (including any fast track voluntary arrangement); F.1.9.2. a debt relief order (in accordance with the provisions of Part 7A of the 1986 Act); F.1.9.3. an administration order (in accordance with Part 6 of the County Courts Act 1984); F.1.9.4. an enforcement restriction order (in accordance with the provisions of Part 6A of the County Courts Act 1984); F.1.9.5. a debt management scheme or debt repayment plan (in accordance with provisions of Chapter 4 of Part 5 of the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007), or any equivalent provision in any other jurisdiction which has a substantially similar effect, and in each case as may be amended from time to time; F.1.10. he/she becomes the subject of an Interim Bankruptcy Restriction Order, a Bankruptcy Restriction Order or a Bankruptcy Order (or any equivalent provisions in any jurisdiction which has a substantially similar effect); F.1.11. he/she is or has been a Director of a Club which, while he/she has been a Director of it, has suffered two or more unconnected Events of Insolvency in respect of each of which a deduction of points was imposed (and for the purposes of this Rule F.1.11 and Rule F.1.12 a Person shall be deemed to have been a Director of a Club which has suffered an Event of Insolvency if such Event of Insolvency occurred in the 30 days immediately following his/ her having resigned as a Director of that Club); F.1.12. he/she has been a Director of two or more Clubs (or clubs) each of which, while he/she has been a Director of them, has suffered an Event of Insolvency in respect of each of which a deduction of points was imposed; F.1.13. he/she is subject to a suspension or ban from involvement in the administration of a sport by any ruling body of a sport that is recognised by the International Olympic Committee, UK Sport, or Sport England, another of the home country sports councils, or any other national or international sporting association or governing body, whether such suspension or ban is direct or indirect (for example a direction to Persons subject to the jurisdiction of the ruling body that they should not employ, contract with or otherwise engage or retain the services of an individual); F.1.14. he/she is subject to any form of suspension, disqualification or striking-off by a professional body including, without limitation, the Law Society, the Solicitors’ Regulation Authority, the Bar Council or the Institute of Chartered Accountants of England and Wales or any equivalent body in any jurisdiction outside England and Wales, whether such suspension, disqualification or striking-off is direct or indirect (for example a direction to Persons subject to the jurisdiction of the professional body that they should not employ, contract with or otherwise engage or retain the services of an individual); F.1.15. he/she has been an Official at a Club (or held an equivalent role at a club) that has been expelled from either the League, the EFL, the National League, Isthmian League, Northern Premier League, Southern Football League, the FA Women’s Super League or the FA Women’s Championship whilst he/she was an Official of that Club (or held an equivalent role at a club) or in the 30 days immediately following his/her resignation from the Club (or club);F.1.16. he/she is required to notify personal information pursuant to Part 2 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003; or F.1.17. he/she is found to have breached (irrespective of any sanction actually imposed), or has admitted breaching (irrespective of whether disciplinary proceedings were brought or not): F.1.17.1. Rule J.6; or F.1.17.2. any other rules in force from time to time in relation to the prohibition on betting on football (whether in England or Wales or elsewhere). F.1.18. he/she is an Intermediary and/or is registered as an intermediary or agent pursuant to the regulations of any national member association of FIFA.

 

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https://www.premierleague.com/news/102375#:~:text=The Owners' and Directors' Test outlines requirements that would prohibit,%2C such as match-fixing.

Ok, thank you.

But Saudi Media claim they have no links with the Saudi Royal Family who own Newcastle. So if what they claim is true, what here - is stopping them from owning us?

Edited March 15, 20224 yr by Mana

This whole situation is stressful. I just want the club to get sold already so we can put this period behind us like a bad dream but it doesn't look like its ending anytime soon.

The Boro move is clearly designed to put pressure on the govt to allow to sell tickets again. It’s all politics. 

Just now, Mana said:

Ok, thank you.

But Saudi Media claim they have no links with the Saudi Royal Family who own Newcastle. So if what they claim is true, what here - is stopping them from owning us?

A quick sale is a must, 3 serious US bids, i think it would be a lot quicker to deal with US owners.

Just now, JM7 said:

The Boro move is clearly designed to put pressure on the govt to allow to sell tickets again. It’s all politics. 

That and probably also in case anyone trys to make the same suggestion for any of our home games.

It’s interesting that the Sports minister today has said that Saudi are an ally and even Boris has said we need a big as collation as possible. He’s visiting them next week and signing a deal worth £10bn. 
 

Makes it interesting whether they view the Saudi Media group as a viable owner. Clearly they have the money but it’s whether they have the balls to agree the deal and push it forward. My guess is they won’t. 

Just now, coco said:

A quick sale is a must, 3 serious US bids, i think it would be a lot quicker to deal with US owners.

Saudi Media already placed a bid, so they are serious about this too...

Quick sale is a must, but it is still up to the government to decide who gets us out of the bids. And it's not like the UK government are upset with the Saudis since they clearly do a lot of business with them.

1 minute ago, coco said:

A quick sale is a must, 3 serious US bids, i think it would be a lot quicker to deal with US owners.

Indeed. Ideally we would have not moved the date and closed bids today. Sooner the better and hope for the best.

I read somewhere that there are 3 parties who will decide who buys the club.

1. The buyer (obviously)

2. The government 

3. Roman via the Raine Group.

Number 3 gives us hope we will go in to good hands. Roman level no, but Pool have shown you don't need to be with good management, coaching and scouting.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

A quick sale is a must, 3 serious US bids, i think it would be a lot quicker to deal with US owners.

Agreed. While the Saudi deal promises a great deal of wealth, it will likely drag and potentially bankrupt the club. US owners is more likely. 

2 minutes ago, JM7 said:

The Boro move is clearly designed to put pressure on the govt to allow to sell tickets again. It’s all politics. 

Exactly, at some point we have to test what we can do. Lay down and take it up the arse and we'll continue to dance to the tune of the government who have no clue about how a football club runs.

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Disqualifying Events F.1. A Person shall be disqualified from acting as a Director and no Club shall be permitted to have any Person acting as a Director of that Club if: F.1.1. he/she has been found by a Commission to have acted in breach of Rules B.24, or L.9; F.1.2. he/she has accepted a sanction proposed by the Board pursuant to Rule W.3.7 that he/she should be disqualified from acting as a Director of the Club, as a result of a breach of Rules B.24, or L.9; F.1.3. in relation to the assessment of his/her compliance with Rule F.1 (and/or any similar or equivalent rules of The Football League or The Football Association) at any time, he/she has: F.1.3.1. failed to provide all relevant information (including, without limitation, information relating to any other individual who would qualify as a Director but has not been disclosed, including where he/she or they are acting as a proxy, agent or nominee for another Person); or F.1.3.2. provided false, misleading or inaccurate information; F.1.4. either directly or indirectly he/she is involved in or has any power to determine or influence the management or administration of another Club or Football League club; F.1.5. either directly or indirectly he/she holds or acquires any Significant Interest in a Club while he/she either directly or indirectly holds any interest in any class of Shares of another Club; F.1.6. he/she becomes prohibited by law from being a director (including without limitation as a result of being subject to a disqualification order as a director under the Company Directors Disqualification Act 1986 (as amended or any equivalent provisions in any jurisdiction which has a substantially similar effect) (“the CDDA”), or being subject to the terms of an undertaking given to the Secretary of State under the CDDA unless a court of competent jurisdiction makes an order under the CDDA permitting an appointment as a Director); F.1.7. he/she has a Conviction (which is not a Spent Conviction) imposed by a court of the United Kingdom or a competent court of foreign jurisdiction: F.1.7.1. in respect of which an unsuspended sentence of at least 12 months’ imprisonment was imposed; F.1.7.2. in respect of any offence involving any act which could reasonably be considered to be dishonest (and, for the avoidance of doubt, irrespective of the actual sentence imposed); F.1.7.3. in respect of an offence set out in Appendix 1 (Schedule of Offences) or a directly analogous offence in a foreign jurisdiction (and, for the avoidance of doubt, irrespective of the actual sentence imposed); F.1.8. in the reasonable opinion of the Board, he/she has engaged in conduct outside the United Kingdom that would constitute an offence of the sort described in Rules F.1.7.2 or F.1.7.3, if such conduct had taken place in the United Kingdom, whether or not such conduct resulted in a Conviction;F.1.9. he/she becomes the subject of: F.1.9.1. an Individual Voluntary Arrangement (including any fast track voluntary arrangement); F.1.9.2. a debt relief order (in accordance with the provisions of Part 7A of the 1986 Act); F.1.9.3. an administration order (in accordance with Part 6 of the County Courts Act 1984); F.1.9.4. an enforcement restriction order (in accordance with the provisions of Part 6A of the County Courts Act 1984); F.1.9.5. a debt management scheme or debt repayment plan (in accordance with provisions of Chapter 4 of Part 5 of the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007), or any equivalent provision in any other jurisdiction which has a substantially similar effect, and in each case as may be amended from time to time; F.1.10. he/she becomes the subject of an Interim Bankruptcy Restriction Order, a Bankruptcy Restriction Order or a Bankruptcy Order (or any equivalent provisions in any jurisdiction which has a substantially similar effect); F.1.11. he/she is or has been a Director of a Club which, while he/she has been a Director of it, has suffered two or more unconnected Events of Insolvency in respect of each of which a deduction of points was imposed (and for the purposes of this Rule F.1.11 and Rule F.1.12 a Person shall be deemed to have been a Director of a Club which has suffered an Event of Insolvency if such Event of Insolvency occurred in the 30 days immediately following his/ her having resigned as a Director of that Club); F.1.12. he/she has been a Director of two or more Clubs (or clubs) each of which, while he/she has been a Director of them, has suffered an Event of Insolvency in respect of each of which a deduction of points was imposed; F.1.13. he/she is subject to a suspension or ban from involvement in the administration of a sport by any ruling body of a sport that is recognised by the International Olympic Committee, UK Sport, or Sport England, another of the home country sports councils, or any other national or international sporting association or governing body, whether such suspension or ban is direct or indirect (for example a direction to Persons subject to the jurisdiction of the ruling body that they should not employ, contract with or otherwise engage or retain the services of an individual); F.1.14. he/she is subject to any form of suspension, disqualification or striking-off by a professional body including, without limitation, the Law Society, the Solicitors’ Regulation Authority, the Bar Council or the Institute of Chartered Accountants of England and Wales or any equivalent body in any jurisdiction outside England and Wales, whether such suspension, disqualification or striking-off is direct or indirect (for example a direction to Persons subject to the jurisdiction of the professional body that they should not employ, contract with or otherwise engage or retain the services of an individual); F.1.15. he/she has been an Official at a Club (or held an equivalent role at a club) that has been expelled from either the League, the EFL, the National League, Isthmian League, Northern Premier League, Southern Football League, the FA Women’s Super League or the FA Women’s Championship whilst he/she was an Official of that Club (or held an equivalent role at a club) or in the 30 days immediately following his/her resignation from the Club (or club);F.1.16. he/she is required to notify personal information pursuant to Part 2 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003; or F.1.17. he/she is found to have breached (irrespective of any sanction actually imposed), or has admitted breaching (irrespective of whether disciplinary proceedings were brought or not): F.1.17.1. Rule J.6; or F.1.17.2. any other rules in force from time to time in relation to the prohibition on betting on football (whether in England or Wales or elsewhere). F.1.18. he/she is an Intermediary and/or is registered as an intermediary or agent pursuant to the regulations of any national member association of FIFA.

 

https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2022/03/11/7beb3e44-49e6-434f-8a7f-28d29d2e6a1b/PL_Handbook_2021_22_DIGITAL_10-03-22.pdf

https://www.premierleague.com/news/102375#:~:text=The Owners' and Directors' Test outlines requirements that would prohibit,%2C such as match-fixing.

🤔

2 minutes ago, JM7 said:

It’s interesting that the Sports minister today has said that Saudi are an ally and even Boris has said we need a big as collation as possible. He’s visiting them next week and signing a deal worth £10bn. 
 

Makes it interesting whether they view the Saudi Media group as a viable owner. Clearly they have the money but it’s whether they have the balls to agree the deal and push it forward. My guess is they won’t. 

Least the lead of Saudi Media is a Chelsea fan. 

1 minute ago, JM7 said:

Agreed. While the Saudi deal promises a great deal of wealth, it will likely drag and potentially bankrupt the club. US owners is more likely. 

That indeed is the biggest problem for us with their bid. 

Nick Candy offered to help the club so we don't go in to admin while the process is ongoing but he may not be allowed to.

Just now, abramovich said:

Hmm could we get Alonso, Kante and Rudiger to be shown dropping their 3 phones in to a bin while holding a Vodafone?

I don't know why people prefer the Swiss-US bid. When you have a Spuds fan in charge of us, you will always going to question their ambitions - because if Jonathan has ANY heart of a Spuds fan, he will take us down in a smart, sneaky way.

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

I don't know why people prefer the Swiss-US bid. When you have a Spuds fan in charge of us, you will always going to question their ambitions - because if Jonathan has ANY heart of a Spuds fan, he will take us down in a smart, sneaky way.

He is certainly a concern. I don't like the sound of the 3 us bids and hope Candy and Sir Martin have indeed found a solid backer.

Also @coco surley being a Spurs fanatic must disqualify him as a part owner in those rules? If not they clearly need amending.

Edited March 15, 20224 yr by axman2526

12 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

He is certainly a concern. I don't like the sound of the 3 us bids and hope Candy and Sir Martin have indeed found a solid backer.

Also @coco surley being a Spurs fanatic must disqualify him as a part owner in those rules? If not they clearly need amending.

He's a massive concern. If you're a Spuds fan, why the hell would you want to invest in Chelsea??? And continue to make them bigger than your favourite club?

I'd rather drag out for Saudi Media then have him controlling our club.

I'm imagining me who has a tons of money, has business acumen and owns Tottenham. I'd sink Spuds but in a slow, painful way and suck money off them if I have the chance. And it brings me inner joy.

Edited March 15, 20224 yr by Mana

Stories running we cannot fly but have to take the bus to Boro.

Maybe the players should pay for tickets to avoid that lol.