Super Frank Lampard

[Guest Sindre]

Honestly, the amount of people that seems perfectly happy with sacking Frank Lampard is shocking to me. Not any manager that is but Frank Lampard who on top of that has done very well for about 18 out of 20 months at the club so far.

And have more or less revolutionized the club in terms of bringing youth through which we've always hoped for since the days of Scott Sinclair, Michael Woods and Ben Sahar, 15 years ago.

Lampard deserves more credit then many are prepared to give him. And he certainly deserves more time then many are prepared to give him.

 

[pcmacca]

8 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Honestly, the amount of people that seems perfectly happy with sacking Frank Lampard is shocking to me. Not any manager that is but Frank Lampard who on top of that has done very well for about 18 out of 20 months at the club so far.

And have more or less revolutionized the club in terms of bringing youth through which we've always hoped for since the days of Scott Sinclair, Michael Woods and Ben Sahar, 15 years ago.

Lampard deserves more credit then many are prepared to give him. And he certainly deserves more time then many are prepared to give him.

 

I believe Frank does need credit for last season in particular but even saying that it was not a normal season. He brought in the younger players and some played very well but as I said it was not a standard season (covid etc.) and Chelsea's points total was much lower than would be normally needed to achieve top 4 and they only did that as other teams dropped points unexpectedly after the restart. Frank got the praise he deserved but the problem is that Chelsea have bought some very good players since and the team is struggling without an identifiable style of playing, even compared to last season when then there was a lot less of the crablike sideways movement followed by high crosses we are seeing now.  The team changes week in, week out and as I said in a previous post the teams Chelsea beat during the unbeaten run were all in the lower echelons of the PL. Further I would have hoped with two weeks training and no midweek games would have helped but the playing style still looked very limited yesterday. I know other are saying bringing in 6 players, no pre-season must affect things but Villa brought in 5 players not of the standard Chelsea did and they are surprising many.

[Brutos]

Who remembers when we use to laugh at Arsenal for winning the fourth place trophy and hope they didn’t sack Wenger 😂😂

 

[Bob stark]

1 hour ago, pcmacca said:

They will continue to be unhappy when the team is set up to play to the opposite of their strengths. All 3 signings, Havertz, Werner and Ziyech came from teams that played in quick forward passing styles attacking teams before they had a chance to organise properly. Even when the opposite were organised, they would still look to play between the lines. With Chelsea's passing, square, square, back, square and painfully slow build up they have no chance of being the players they were. Two poor examples from last night: How many times last night did we see the defenders pass amongst themselves, get under pressure then pass back to Mendy who would resort to a long ball handing the ball back to Fulham? The reason they did this was when they had the ball, all of their colleagues were facing them and if they passed to the midfield it would be just passed back to them. No midfielder is receiving the ball, turning or even receiving the ball when ready to look for a player to their left or right. Slow moving possession football compressing the space as you move up the pitch and then crossing into a crowded area is never going to suit these 3 players, 4 if you add Pelusic.

I love this comment, we need to play faster, play in transition. How in the hell you play in transition against team who come to you trying to get - 00. This is no Bundesliga where team come to munich and try to attack them. 

 

[Bob stark]

6 hours ago, evissy said:

I am a bit worried for Frank. He is making decisions that (from outside at least) look like wrong ones. This feeling is very familiar to us Chelsea fans. Couple of bad results, stubbornness in system and players and then the sack. 

For me not starting CHO is a bit of a crime. I understand Frank here because his other choice for that right hand spot is Ziyech. 

Playing 4-3-3 even though many times the players available are not suited for it. Again I understand Frank is looking at Liverpool that rigidly play 4-3-3 and Mason is thriving in that 8 spot. 

If Frank starts Mount - Kante - Kovacic in 4-3-3 against Leicester and we lose he cannot look elsewhere for blame. 

There is no reason for not dropping Ziyech for CHO, 0.

I honestly don't understand Lamp.  It feel like he want to force puli, Ziyech and werner in.  CHO has been playing well so drop Ziyech or Puli. I don't care, either one. None of our player are Hazsrdesque where he is by far our best player to the point that he is undroppable. 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Bob stark

[pcmacca]

25 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I love this comment, we need to play faster, play in transition. How in the hell you play in transition against team who come to you trying to get - 00. This is no Bundesliga where team come to munich and try to attack them. 

 

City, Liverpool and even Leicester for example appear to manage it well.

[Brutos]

Something I have notice is the way Lampard looks on the touchline he looks quite lost. Whenever the camera pans to him it’s like he is in a daze trying to work out what else he can do to fix this. He has a look on his face as I don’t know what else to do to get these players going and just hoping something sticks.

 

[The Brit]

17 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Something I have notice is the way Lampard looks on the touchline he looks quite lost. Whenever the camera pans to him it’s like he is in a daze trying to work out what else he can do to fix this. He has a look on his face as I don’t know what else to do to get these players going and just hoping something sticks.

 

He has the same ashen face that other chelsea managers on verge of the sack have worn. Working for this club is bad for your health.

[Brutos]

8 minutes ago, The Brit said:

He has the same ashen face that other chelsea managers on verge of the sack have worn. Working for this club is bad for your health.

That’s what came to mind also he looks like every other coach who knows what’s coming at some point. It’s sad seeing him like that it’s not nice 

[pcmacca]

2 minutes ago, Brutos said:

That’s what came to mind also he looks like every other coach who knows what’s coming at some point. It’s sad seeing him like that it’s not nice 

I would like him to succeed but although he has many attributes, he still has a lot to learn. That is why instead of seeing him being dismissed, I wish he would accept that he could learn an awful lot about tactical training and planning by bringing in an experienced coach (not Grant), a specialist in transitions that does not have the other skills that Frank has and has no desire for the top job. I wish he would admit his deficiencies, learn and improve his future.

[coco]

3 hours ago, pcmacca said:

Many people keep referring to the unbeaten run before the Everton match to justify a forgiven poor patch. Do you realise that in that run Chelsea did not beat any team that are now in the top 9 positions of the PL!

WHU are 9th we beat them.

[coco]

2 hours ago, Brutos said:

Who remembers when we use to laugh at Arsenal for winning the fourth place trophy and hope they didn’t sack Wenger 😂😂

 

Who remembers when we were proper sh*t ? couldnt even beat M'boro to stay in the league.

[pcmacca]

1 minute ago, coco said:

WHU are 9th we beat them.

Sorry, I did write Many people keep referring to the unbeaten run before the Everton match to justify a forgiven poor patch. Do you realise that in that run Chelsea did not beat any team that are now in the top 9 positions of the PL!

WHU were not part of the unbeaten run. Chelsea beat WHU after losing to Everton and Wolves.

[coco]

Just now, pcmacca said:

Sorry, I did write Many people keep referring to the unbeaten run before the Everton match to justify a forgiven poor patch. Do you realise that in that run Chelsea did not beat any team that are now in the top 9 positions of the PL!

WHU were not part of the unbeaten run. Chelsea beat WHU after losing to Everton and Wolves.

oh f**k off with your split hairs. 

[Bob stark]

1 hour ago, pcmacca said:

City, Liverpool and even Leicester for example appear to manage it well.

City does not want to play super fast, pep himself said his team can't play that way. 

Leicester is built for mr vardy of course they need to play direct. They simply can't find better strike than Vardy. 

Klopp want to play fast and his team is built to play that mean from back to front. 

You want to play this direct attack, Thiago silva can't be your cb. Pulisic, werner can't turn the ball over at will otherwise it will be a nightmare defensively to defend transition after transition. 

[pcmacca]

Just now, coco said:

oh f**k off with your split hairs. 

It is not splitting hairs, people keep talking about the unbeaten run justifies Frank being given more time. The unbeaten run in the PL is really not anything to shout about when you consider Chelsea this season have not beaten any side in the top 8 positions.

[axman2526]

Our attack of late has been more like Sheff Uniteds defence, pretty ponderous and too slow.

While a lot of focus came to CHO, who was excellent when he came on, should not overlook how good Kovacic became in midfield 2. Lamps may have stumbled on it but it may be a good way to move forward 

[pcmacca]

Just now, Bob stark said:

City does not want to play super fast, pep himself said his team can't play that way. 

Leicester is built for mr vardy of course they need to play direct. They simply can't find better strike than Vardy. 

Klopp want to play fast and his team is built to play that mean from back to front. 

You want to play this direct attack, Thiago silva can't be your cb. Pulisic, werner can't turn the ball over at will otherwise it will be a nightmare defensively to defend transition after transition. 

Chelsea bought players that are used to having space in front of them to attack the opposition. When the team moves slowly forward there is no space for them and they are looking average players because of it. City do play fast football, just watch the Chelsea City first half and watch how they tore through the Chelsea midfield. And Silva due to range of passing skills is the best of the CBs Chelsea have to play that exact game.

[KonaKai Blue]

Exactly this. City can play any team in the league  with no striker and still cause damage because Pep has them moving the ball quickly Even Liverpool used to spam crosses without a target man and succeeded because they transition into attack at speed. Lampard needs this team adopting the same approach.

[sonic90]

1 hour ago, Brutos said:

Something I have notice is the way Lampard looks on the touchline he looks quite lost. Whenever the camera pans to him it’s like he is in a daze trying to work out what else he can do to fix this. He has a look on his face as I don’t know what else to do to get these players going and just hoping something sticks.

 

What kind of face does Klopp have?

[Brutos]

4 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

What kind of face does Klopp have?

The one that has won the league and champions league in the last couple of seasons..::

[sonic90]

29 minutes ago, Brutos said:

The one that has won the league and champions league in the last couple of seasons..::

See you can't read into anything but biases, Klopp has a weird face during matches but you look at him like he's prince charming. Lamps always has a serious look on his face when we're not winning comfortably.

[Bob stark]

43 minutes ago, pcmacca said:

Chelsea bought players that are used to having space in front of them to attack the opposition. When the team moves slowly forward there is no space for them and they are looking average players because of it. City do play fast football, just watch the Chelsea City first half and watch how they tore through the Chelsea midfield. And Silva due to range of passing skills is the best of the CBs Chelsea have to play that exact game.

You can't play as Chelsea and expect plenty of space against most team. 

City tored us apart because our three forward decided defense were not their job. 

[Brutos]

8 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

See you can't read into anything but biases, Klopp has a weird face during matches but you look at him like he's prince charming. Lamps always has a serious look on his face when we're not winning comfortably.

What bias 😂 you asked what Klopp looked like and told you he won the CL and PL and looks like a manager who has even when losing he gets petty and cocky he has arrogance about him which he can do 

[Slojo]

4 hours ago, Sindre said:

Honestly, the amount of people that seems perfectly happy with sacking Frank Lampard is shocking to me. Not any manager that is but Frank Lampard who on top of that has done very well for about 18 out of 20 months at the club so far.

And have more or less revolutionized the club in terms of bringing youth through which we've always hoped for since the days of Scott Sinclair, Michael Woods and Ben Sahar, 15 years ago.

Lampard deserves more credit then many are prepared to give him. And he certainly deserves more time then many are prepared to give him.

 

He did well in his first season, but this season? Not at all, let's not kid ourselves. Yes we had some great performances and went unbeaten for a while, but all that work has now been undone.